Poll: Question: Are women less affected by the attractiveness of others, or just hide it better?

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BoogieManFL

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I observe people a lot, when I'm eating at a restaurant or walking around a public place and something I've been thinking about lately is how little most women seem to react when they see someone that I think most people would consider attractive. Some might immediately respond by saying "duh" men are obsessed, blah blah.. But is it really that simple or is it that they just don't hide it as well?

In general it's much easier to tell when a man really thinks someone is attractive than when a woman find someone attractive. A guy may stare too much, or obviously check out someone's butt or breasts. But I very rarely see a woman do a double take at someone or obviously check out a someone's ass or something like that. Or even show a more pronounced smile or a change of their voice like a man sometimes will.


I don't know how it is for women, but for men, everyone woman you see is immediately evaluated in overall attractiveness. It's a non optional reflex, like reading. You can't just look at a word and choose not to read it, it just happens. And when you know to look for it, it can often be seen when you watch other people interact. When you see an attractive woman walk through a public area, instead look at the people nearby especially those in a position to more casually check her out without it being obvious. You'll probably note how the guys check her out if they think it's subtle. Even females, those that I presume to be heterosexual, seem to check out other women more than I notice them reacting to a man.

And in places like restaurants if you watch a woman their eyes seem to wander to the surrounding people less than a mans.

The few lesbian women I've known, often behaved like straight men when it came to oogling a woman - when among friends. The several gay men I've known were often the most vulgar and/or obvious when it came to oogling, even among just acquaintances.


Personally I think most women are just as much (or nearly so) as big of perverts as men are - they usually just won't admit it, even to themselves. I've seen and heard many a woman swoon over a guy in a movie. The reaction of the ladies in the theater when they thought Loki was dead in Thor 2? Wow.




So, what do you think? Are women genuinely less affected and interested in the physical attractiveness of others than men? Or do they just hide it better? Or maybe they always just save it until they "go to the bathroom" in groups or when they're out of the public environment.
 

Smooth Operator

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If we are talking sexual attraction then there are some important factors that would make things appear that way:
- sex drive hormones in men are on overdrive all the time, for women that happens once a month
- this creates very high availability of sex on one side and very low on the other
- thus women will be offered sex far more then they want to which will put them off even more
- society is still very tetchy about women expressing their sexual desires openly, hell with these gender wars shit got worse on all sides

So one side is tripping balls over sex while the other doesn't really care and in comparison they will look very far apart.
 

Anja Bech

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Men are more visually stimulated than women, hence why porn videos are overwhelmingly more popular with men than with women and the other way around for romance novels.

This is just anecdotal, but from what I've experienced women are in fact less "crude" when it comes to objectification of those they find attractive. Men will often highlight physical attributes (boobs, butt, lips, etc) and link them to acts of sex, where women are more likely to highlight a man's other qualities (he looks nice/sweet/smart/strong/caring etc), and if she does talk about his appearance it usually doesn't go further than "omg he's so hot". But that's just my experience.
 

Phasmal

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Nah I think we just hide it better.

We socialise that ladies aren't supposed to be driven by looks and that men are all about the visuals, but it's more complicated than that.
So it may not be socially acceptable for ladies to be loud n proud about how much they want to bang Tom Hiddleston but trust me when we're alone we are free to fangirl in peace.

Don't believe me? Just check out tumblr or DeviantArt.

The idea that we're totally above such things might sound like a noble one to some people, but women are just people.
We notice the hot guy walking down the street and may discreetly check out dat ass.
 

Saetha

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Well first of all, I think it's a bit unwise to come to conclusions like these without solid, scientifically gathered evidence. But, lacking that, I can see why you'd want a report of anecdotal evidence and the like. So I guess I'll contribute.

I dunno if women are less motivated by it. For me atleast, the most attractive part of guy usually is their face/hair. I don't understand the obsession with "dat ass," and anything else I might want to oogle (Abs, for instance) is usually hidden under clothing and thus away from my assessment. So all that really leaves is how their face and hair look. Which means that if I want to oogle some dude, I just stare at his general head area - which is, y'know, what most people do when they interact with someone. It's terribly convenient. Though there is the forearm thing. When guys have long-sleeve shirts, but roll the sleeves up to their elbows, and it's just... damn. I don't even know what it is about it, but it's just attractive. Oooh, and when a well-sculpted guy has an wears an open-collar shirt and you can just see a hint of his collar bone - also damn. Seriously I just want to reach out and pet it. So maybe women just don't oogle what you expect them to oogle?

And then... I believe I read a report once about how men tend to "break down" attractive women, sort of assess them as a collection of traits rather than a whole. Women generally are the opposite, assessing the attractiveness of a guy by looking at the whole rather than any one specific area. That could be it, too. Women don't oogle less - we just oogle everything.

On the other hand, I can't find the report and I'm too lazy to look for it further, so take that for what you will.
 

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As much as I hate to quote a PUA, I read one that said it best:

"When men are turned on, it's like a lightswitch. When women get turned on, it's like a 0-10 dial getting turned up".

In other words, a guy just sees a picture of Emily Ratajkowski and bam, he wants to have sex with her. If she then magically appeared in front of him and said she wanted to have sex with him, it'd probably be the quickest decision he ever made.

A woman sees a picture of Tom Hiddleston (assume she knows nothing about him), and sure she finds him attractive, but if he suddenly sprung to life and asked if she wanted to have sex with him right then and there, the answer would probably be no. But then he starts talking, and he's funny and charming, and has a great accent, and is a famous actor, etc., and the "dial" just keeps getting turned up, so to speak.

Now there are obvious exceptions, but OP said "on average", and on average looks matter less to women than they do to men.

It always reminds me of this experiment they've done numerous times, where they had an attractive man walk around college campuses and ask women to have sex with him, and vice versa for an attractive woman. The result? Not a single woman said 'yes' to the guy, while over 50% of men said 'yes' to the girl.
 

freaper

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Hell no, and anyone that says otherwise is lying to you and to themselves. That doesn't mean they want to have sex with their target of appreciation as much (or as quickly) as men, but that's a different discussion.
 

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When I was studying for my psych degree, I read numerous studies that concluded that women were less tuned into visual stimuli and more tuned into tactile stimuli, compared to men. That is, men will get turned on faster by a poster of a hot celeb than a woman would, on average.

So, I wouldn't say that women are less affected by the attractiveness of others. I would say that they're not hit by it as immediately, especially when it comes to visual cues. Ironically, this would lend support to your theory that they hide it better -- not necessarily because they're trying to, but because the differing nature of their wiring makes hiding it a lot easier!
 

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Ugh, it always disturbs me how readily people will rattle off gender stereotypes like they're facts. Anyway.

There's a lot more pressure on women not to be rude and aggressive, so women are less likely to check people out in a rude or aggressive way. Just because women don't smirk while they stare pointedly at some guy's ass doesn't mean they're not checking him out. Also, just because a woman isn't visibly repulsed by an ugly guy doesn't mean she's seeing his inner beauty or some shit. There's just way more pressure to be polite.
 

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They do ogle, they just realize they're doing it and act more discreet. Men can afford to be careless with body language, wear their hearts on their sleeves. Women must be more controlled, they value the way they are perceived by others differently to men. If letting yourself be caught transfixed is normal or funny for guys, it can be seen as desperate for women, they are made quite conscious of this and so work harder to hide their attraction under the presumption that someone is always scrutinizing them and judging their appearance and behavior at all times. Generally speaking.

Generally speaking women are also far more open about discussing and dissecting the beauty of other women. This comes in part from vanity and competitiveness, but I also think it's because media has always pushed men's bodies as the practical all terrain vehicle, while women's bodies are the exotic sports cars where a curved angle here or there can make or break the overall impression. Men have a wide variety of phrases, jokes and slang for describing their sexual appetite, women mostly borrow or appropriate these, lady-boner for example, a phrase that makes little sense. So what you're left with is heterosexual women who feel more comfortable and have a far wider vocabulary for describing what men find attractive in women's bodies, than what they themselves find attractive in men's bodies. The result is you will often hear women describe the female body as god's most beautiful creation, yet still scrunch their nose in disgust at the suggestion they might be bisexual or gay.

Also, I recently read an interesting take on the word creep that might be relevant. The girl in the video was criticizing women who over use the word creep. In her view, only some men who are crude or overly forward are called creeps, while other men who are crude or overly forward are called charismatic and daring. Her idea is that women's assessment of a creep is not based on the man's personality or actions, but his appearance and attractiveness. However, women cannot be seen to be shallow, so instead they cloak their dismissal as a near escape. Rather than rejecting a guy because he's ugly or awkward, a judgment of the man's character based on intuition has been made. Far more flattering for the woman. The girl who made this video went on then to liken this use of creep to how men use slut. Rather than admit to being crushed by rejection men will claim to have just been reaching for a surefire thing with a promiscous looking girl, intuited something about the girl's mind and morality in the mean time, and then pulled back in the nick of time to save themselves from a nightmare ordeal with a bunny boiling psycho *****. I'm not crushed, I just clocked her as a slut. I'm not shallow, I just clocked him as a creep.

Obviously there is a lot more going on here. But I thought it interesting how some women can go to such lengths to avoid describing their own tastes in men's bodies and what standards aren't being met, choosing rather to pretend they have mindread the guy to be a dangerous stalker, even if she can see he is completely harmless. its a double standard thing where women feel they can't be honest without being judged. With anonymity on the internet this naturally falls away.
 

Angelous Wang

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I would say generally yes, but that is because they consider slightly more things on a equal level first, where as men tend to go just for attractiveness first regardless of other things.

Men go straight for what they like the look of, this will often be at expense of everything else, they don't pay attention to other factors until after.

Women on the other hand do go for attractive but they tend to scout certain other factors first (such as smell, smell is as big a factor to women as boobs/butts to guys).

Arguably that's just a different kind of superficial though.

Women are just (if not often more so) superficial than men, but the OP was limited to attractiveness.
 

kommando367

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It depends on the individual. Some guys only/mainly care about physical attractiveness and some girls only/mainly care about physical attractiveness. This is most clearly seen in workout video comment sections on Youtube. Almost every video with a shirtless sweaty guy with moderately visible muscles will have a bunch of girls and gay dudes drooling over him and the same can said about guys and lesbians when the person doing the workout is an athletic girl with shorts and a sports bra on.

Of course, the actual definition of physical attractiveness can vary greatly from person to person, but that was the only example I think of off hand.
 

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Yes, but on average, women are more attracted to people of power and fame.
 

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The way I see it is this: the things about a persons body that are considered to be hot are usually the things that indicate that persons ability to produce and maintain offspring: it's the way nature programmed our apemen ancestors to select the most desirable mate.
To a woman, producing and maintaining offspring has, for obvious reasons, more to do with her body, whereas to the man it has more to do with his place in society and material possessions.

I'm not concluding one way or the other, and it seems to me that society, including women themselves, have never and maybe will never come up with a unanimous conclusion, but in the light of the above reasoning it doesn't surprise me at all when I see how women generally consider their looks far more important then men, and are being judged and valued for it more than men, or when some male popstars like Justin Bieber are being insanely popular, because even though he's probably gay and is as manly as a shrimp in some way he still is the alpha-male on top of his aperock: rich and popular.
 

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I don't find masculine physical traits attractive so I might be missing out on a lot of things here, so correct me if I'm wrong.

I think that feminine attractiveness may be more eye-catching. From my experience women are more likely to praise other women on their good looks than they are to praise men, regardless of their sexual orientation. This could just be because attractiveness is considered more of a priority for women, but I noticed something else.

Before I started identifying with a female persona (ie. when I presented myself as a standard male) I got a lot fewer compliments about my appearance than I currently do. I'm not ugly by any means, but I do stand out a lot more with some makeup and accentuation of my more "feminine" physical traits. Interestingly, most of this attention either comes from women. Or men that DON'T know that I'm biologically male.

I'm not sure what conclusion to come to but women definitely find others physically attractive just as much as men do. I'm just wondering if women actually stand out more. Though in our age of Buzzfeed and Tumblr, men that women find attractive do get a significant amount of attention. Even advertising has catered to some sort of "straight female gaze" quite a few times in recent memory.
 

Vault101

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BoogieManFL said:
of coarse we aren't

and attractiveness is evaluated for everyone regardless of weather or not they fit into our "want ot have sex with box" but that's another topic

If a guy (or sometimes girl) is hot of coarse I'm going to "check them out" except because staring is rude I only do so in glances

maybe guys really suck at being subtle?

I don't think its too much of a stretch to say that women and men experience sexuality and attraction differently, particularly if you look at the kind of porn women prefer as opposed to men BUT that doesn't mean women don't like hot guys, they do

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy evopsych the best kind of psych!


Johnny Thunder said:
, or when some male popstars like Justin Bieber are being insanely popular, because even though he's probably gay and is as manly as a shrimp in some way he still is the alpha-male on top of his aperock: rich and popular.
probably gay?

what the fuck did I just read?
 

Vault101

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rorychief said:
Men have a wide variety of phrases, jokes and slang for describing their sexual appetite, women mostly borrow or appropriate these, lady-boner for example, a phrase that makes little sense.
the Clitoris is essentially a miniature "penis" and gets filled with blood when aroused....so it is kinda true

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choosing rather to pretend they have mindread the guy to be a dangerous stalker, even if she can see he is completely harmless..[/quote]
and how does one see if a guy is completely harmless?

she can't

LifeCharacter said:
men pretending they know how women think and feel is pretty damn creepy.
of coarse they do....its the evo psych!

the only good psych!

rorychief said:
Generally speaking women are also far more open about discussing and dissecting the beauty of other women. This comes in part from vanity and competitiveness.
and of coarse women are vain (unlike the chill dude bros)

because its not like we've got a higher standard pushed on us in terms of time and effort were expected to spend on our appearance

no siree
 

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Vault101 said:
maybe guys really suck at being subtle?
Yes, yes we do on average.
Also If I'm not mistaken male attraction is taken through the Amygdala, which may correspond pond to minor social aggression

rorychief said:
They do ogle, they just realize they're doing it and act more discreet. Men can afford to be careless with body language, wear their hearts on their sleeves. Women must be more controlled, they value the way they are perceived by others differently to men. If letting yourself be caught transfixed is normal or funny for guys, it can be seen as desperate for women, they are made quite conscious of this and so work harder to hide their attraction under the presumption that someone is always scrutinizing them and judging their appearance and behavior at all times. Generally speaking.
Sort of reminds of an old saying from what's bred in the bones, only a broken heart can be strong or something like that.
But it seems to fit in with the above statement, risk is inherent in expressing interest.
Also, I recently read an interesting take on the word creep that might be relevant. The girl in the video....- snip-
That sounds pretty interesting could i get a link to that video.

Well op, most of what i see here is the what i assume could be how both sexes select mates, the male examining the physical form, subconscious tying that to ease of reproduction and the woman looking for a male that could ensure the survival of the offspring and her, that includes physical looks. A sick or unhealthy mate shows it quite evenly physically and while i do not assume it is the main center of attraction for women, I know it has an effect. I reason it has a more weighted meaning of effect, that women have more then one preferred thing for attraction, such as virility(implicit and explicit)(body language NT's use it.), social prominence, wealth which really boils down to assurance/stability, humour, then on to personal taste and a bit of the animus projection and Electra complexes if you like this sect of psychology.