Poll: Railguns or Lasers: which do you prefer

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Reyalsfeihc

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Well just to let all you folks know, joke`s on you. The U.S navy already has developed missile defense laser systems and new railguns that they plan to arm their ships with in the not too distant future ^^ especially since we already have working prototypes of both and are developing a solid-state laser.
 

Lunar Templar

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Neither! Gauss cannons for the win!

Effin' magnets bro, how do they work?!?
See, that's part of the problem... gauss guns (or rather, coilguns) are (per unit of energy input) far less efficient than railguns. Being based on a stack of electromagnets, it requires a longer 'barrel' for projectile acceleration and its terminal velocity is limited severely by how much heat the system can take. Railguns are designed specifically to deal with that problem. That and energy loss from transfer from system to system (i.e. electrical to magnetic to kinetic) makes it even worse.

Sorry to put a downer on it mate! Though if you're thinking of Necron technology in 40K fandom, then I'm all for it, even if I prefer the Particle Whip!
XD my first thought was Mech Warrior

but really
Rail Gun
why?
raw brute force, sure you could burn a hole in a tank and ether ignite the fuel or ammo, >.> OR, you can use a rail road tie and rip the turret off of it.

which sounds more awesome? burning a hole or ripping it apart
 

Spade Lead

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Reyalsfeihc said:
Well just to let all you folks know, joke`s on you. The U.S navy already has developed missile defense laser systems and new railguns that they plan to arm their ships with in the not too distant future ^^ especially since we already have working prototypes of both and are developing a solid-state laser.
How is the joke on us? I, at least, already knew this. He wasn't asking about point defense systems (lasers), he was asking about main armaments (Electro-magnetic railguns), so while the people who said lasers are wrong by your standards, the majority of us would use railguns, and are vindicated. Because, as I said, most of us already new that. I am willing to bet that the existence of these things is what prompted them to become so popular in fiction, and thus, brought about this thread.
 

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Loop Stricken said:
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Kinetic is just better. The only limit to its power is the speed you can throw projectiles at.
I imagine one day we will be hurling projectiles the size of a Volkswagen beetle (like the old Iowa class battleships) at 3/4 the speed of light. How's that for a kinetic impact?
needs moar dakka.
Okay, I will admit to not knowing that one... Explanation please.
 

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Yep, railguns. Lasers are pretty cool, but burning a hole through something is not nearly as badass as smacking it with a million tons of kinetic force.
Spade Lead said:
Loop Stricken said:
Spade Lead said:
Loop Stricken said:
Kinetic is just better. The only limit to its power is the speed you can throw projectiles at.
I imagine one day we will be hurling projectiles the size of a Volkswagen beetle (like the old Iowa class battleships) at 3/4 the speed of light. How's that for a kinetic impact?
needs moar dakka.
Okay, I will admit to not knowing that one... Explanation please.
Warhammer 40,000. Orks love them some firepower, or "dakka", and firmly believe you always, always need more of it. Dere's no such zoggin' fing as enuff dakka.
 

Baron von Blitztank

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Well judging by the name, the fun memories of playing Quake 2/4 and this song that's been stuck in my head from Team Fortress 2's "Prophunt"
I'll go with Railgun.
 

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Yokai said:
Warhammer 40,000. Orks love them some firepower, or "dakka", and firmly believe you always, always need more of it. Dere's no such zoggin' fing as enuff dakka.
Okay... I want moar Dakka!
 

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Freechoice said:
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Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates 1 to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-b**** in space. Now, Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's First Law?

- Sir! An object in motion stays in motion, sir!

No credit for partial answers, maggot!

- Sir! Unless acted on by an outside force, sir!

Damn straight! I dare to assume you ignorant jackasses know that space is empty. Once you fire this hunk of metal, it keeps going till it hits something. That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you are ruining someone's day, somewhere and sometime. That is why you check your damn targets! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a firing solution! That is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not "eyeball it!" This is a weapon of mass destruction. You are not a cowboy shooting from the hip!
Oh My God, what is that quote from? I must see and/or read it soonest!
Mass Effect 2
it's even more badass than it sounds. you kinda need to see it for yourself. best part of the game if you ask me :p
 

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Floppertje said:
Freechoice said:
Spade Lead said:
Sarge034 said:
Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates 1 to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-b**** in space. Now, Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's First Law?

- Sir! An object in motion stays in motion, sir!

No credit for partial answers, maggot!

- Sir! Unless acted on by an outside force, sir!

Damn straight! I dare to assume you ignorant jackasses know that space is empty. Once you fire this hunk of metal, it keeps going till it hits something. That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you are ruining someone's day, somewhere and sometime. That is why you check your damn targets! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a firing solution! That is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not "eyeball it!" This is a weapon of mass destruction. You are not a cowboy shooting from the hip!
Oh My God, what is that quote from? I must see and/or read it soonest!
Mass Effect 2
it's even more badass than it sounds. you kinda need to see it for yourself. best part of the game if you ask me :p
I am devoting a lot of time to it after work tonight, provided I can stay up, since I seem to be skipping sleep right now...
 

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A Certain Scientific Railgun for me any day.

Of course, she really should be holding both arms out, because railguns require two conductive rods to propel the projectile.

*pretentious sniff* =P

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kelevra said:
Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest ************ alive thanks to a little thing called Inertia.
Uh, I think you'll find he's dead (unless you meant to say 'deadest ************ alive', and if so, then 'huh?!')... Or are you talking about a parallel dimension?

-_- *another pretentious sniff*
 

Merkavar

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lasers are boring. i much prefer sci fi shows that dont use lasers for everything. plus a rail gun will give you a chance to nail someone to a wall.
 

kelevra

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Lasers are pretty flawed as weapons. Simple ablative armour does alot to reduce the effectiveness of their beams, and if you're using it in atmosphere, atmospheric dispersion does a lot to reduce their power.

To clarify, they need to be powerful enough to heat up a tiny section of what they're shooting at in fractions of seconds. If the air isnt clear, less power. If the target is far away, less power. If the target's armour has the slightest (and this is intentional with alot of composite stuff) tendency to burn or rapidly expand, less power. Or the target could be clad in super heat resistant ceramic, like the space shuttle.

Moral of the story is: I go with railguns. Kinetic energy breaks shit in a very satisfying way. Sure, lasers are better in SPAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCEEEEE, but so are railguns. Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest ************ alive thanks to a little thing called Inertia. Ask the dinosaurs :p

Not that lasers arent useful (to shoot down missiles for example) or cool (lightsabers AWWW YEAH- though thats technically a plasma sword) but railguns win. Also, Mass Effect series :)
 

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Is it possible to deflect a laser using a mirror?

I'd love to see a mirror defend itself againt a chunk of metal flying at 8000+ft/sec!

Railguns, without a doubt.
 

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Sober Thal said:
Kitsuna10060 said:
Sober Thal said:
A Certain Scientific Railgun for me any day.


o.o what show is that
The show is called ' A Certain Scientific Railgun '. It's a spin off of 'Toaru Majutsu no Index'.

EDIT: You should watch AT LEAST the first episode of Index before Railgun though. Misaka (girl in picture) has a great introduction in the first 5 minutes ; )
hehe, will do thanks :D
 
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Lasers by far.

1) Speed: Light versus Sound. No contest.
2) Penetration: Heat vs Kinetic. No contest. Especially as heat is recurring damage.
3) Range: LOS vs Gravity: No contest
4) Utility: Try turning a Railgun down.
5) Adaptability: Try firing a Railgun underwater.
6) Energy: Total Energy Conversion versus Air pressure. No contest.
7) Ammunition: Closer, but light is still more prevalent.
8) Reliability: One tiny problem in your magazine and boom.
9) Weight/Recoil: Easy win for lasers.
10) Stealth: [sub]zit[/sub] versus BOOM. No contest.

Seriously, the ONLY thing Railguns have in their favour is blowback.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Lasers by far.

1) Speed: Light versus Sound. No contest.
2) Penetration: Heat vs Kinetic. No contest. Especially as heat is recurring damage.
3) Range: LOS vs Gravity: No contest
4) Utility: Try turning a Railgun down.
5) Adaptability: Try firing a Railgun underwater.
6) Energy: Total Energy Conversion versus Air pressure. No contest.
7) Ammunition: Closer, but light is still more prevalent.
8) Reliability: One tiny problem in your magazine and boom.
9) Weight/Recoil: Easy win for lasers.
10) Stealth: [sub]zit[/sub] versus BOOM. No contest.

Seriously, the ONLY thing Railguns have in their favour is blowback.
I know this is a bit late, but it wouldn't stop bothering me. http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

1) Speed: In this case you are half-right. Nothing can beat the speed of light, however the speed of a railgun's projectile FAR exceeds the speed of sound (a railgun shoots at 11,500 feet per second or approximately Mach 10.) In relation to guns today, they don't need to be any faster aside from power.

2) Penetration: Not much of today's armor (or probably that of the future) could stop an impact with that much force. Also, if you know much about guns and entry/exit wounds generally, you know what kind of damage this means.

3) Range: LOS is actually worse than gravity in Earth's conditions as lasers couldn't be fired like the artillery of today which impact beyond the horizon. In space conditions, I go to Newton's first law.

4) Utility: As far as weapons are concerned, why would you want to turn down the power of a railgun? I acknowledge lasers could be turned down to cauterize wounds, but I doubt they would use a weaponized laser for that purpose

5) Adaptability: A laser would lose most if not all of its heat energy vaporizing the water near the beam (much like how it would lose energy to the intended target), though a railgun wouldn't do much better underwater functionally.

6) Energy: Railguns aren't conventional weapons and don't rely on air pressure or gunpowder to shoot the projectile. (Magnets, how do they work?) Railguns would use much less energy to propel a greater destructive force.

7) Ammunition: No problem really, ammunition would essentially be loads of metallic weight.

8) Reliability: There are no explosive charges in railgun ammo, only when they hit you do they go boom. Speaking of a boom, kinetic energy itself can be great enough to cause an explosion (big enough to be like that of a nuclear weapon,) doing more damage over an area than a laser.

9) Weight/Recoil: The energy required for either railguns or lasers would require a power plant to work how they do in sci-fi (Halo specifically). You wouldn't need to worry about weight or recoil when mounted on the ground. In space, you have to compensate for equal and opposite reactions, however weight would not be a problem.

10) Stealth: There is no air in space to transfer sound, and there isn't much stealthy about light bright enough to melt steel.

We're also much closer today to developing railgun technology than we are lasers.
 

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Ever since i got my hand on a chaingun in Wolfenstien3D .. Railguns FTW
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