Poll: Rare candy training. Do you approve?

[Headsprouter]

Pokémon trained through rare candy are weaker than pokémon raised through trainers and wild pokémon fighting

I mentioned that, and my wish is to fight his full-power pokemon. I don't care whether i win or lose. I want a good, clean, fair fight. Against pokemon worthy of my own. That's a little big headed, i know. But i don't like having put all that work in to receive what took a person 5 minutes or pressing the a button.

 

[Mr Companion]

This reminds me of the people in borderlands who just mod the game to have super guns then go around shooting wildlife or bosses, instakilling them in an instant for their own pleasure. Even worse they play online to show everybody how great they are at instakilling things with thie doom pistol that does 99999 damage and fires 20 bullets per second or something. And when they get bored of that they are all like "DUEL ME DUEL ME DUEL ME" and then when you finally give in they instakill you too and its like wooo! You just wasted both our time on a pointless display of your cowerdace.

 

[Headsprouter]

This reminds me of the people in borderlands who just mod the game to have super guns then go around shooting wildlife or bosses, instakilling them in an instant for their own pleasure. Even worse they play online to show everybody how great they are at instakilling things with thie doom pistol that does 99999 damage and fires 20 bullets per second or something. And when they get bored of that they are all like "DUEL ME DUEL ME DUEL ME" and then when you finally give in they instakill you too and its like wooo! You just wasted both our time on a pointless display of your cowerdace.

I've met them, too. They only take pleasure in winning. Sad, sad people.

 

[drbarno]

depends on the situation. If it's for the story based purpose of the game, so you can beat the elite four and all that, go for it. If it's for battling people, it's your choice, but you will be at a disadvantage to an EV trained pokemon.

 

[Marik2]

Rare Candy trained Pokemon are not weaker than normal.

It's just a faster way to train, I see no problem with it.

Really?

I thought they were...

 

[Polaris19]

Rare candies = Training method
Working hard = Training method
Using macho brace or similar EV items and working hard = Best training method.

Really, just fight, battle, win. Whatever happens happens, and if it bothers you that much set it to a level 50 fight so your both on somewhat even footing. Then it comes down to whose pokemon have better moves and type matchups.

But really, some people go a bit far with this.

Pokémon trained through rare candy are weaker than pokémon raised through trainers and wild pokémon fighting

They aren't. Now if your using EV items to train, then yes, but rare candies are no different than just simply beating another pokemon. Same stat jumps, with variances based on natures and random chance.

 

[Marter]

Rare Candy trained Pokemon are not weaker than normal.

It's just a faster way to train, I see no problem with it.

Really?

I thought they were...

They only are if you don't EV train first--that's the only part that makes any difference.

 

[nuba km]

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U mad?

no I was eating food. My plan was to fight you today with those pokemon you were going to be like 'GRRR' (except I was surprised at how GRRR you went and I thought you were over reacting by a lot) and then fight you again on Monday with you like 'why should I?' and then I would talk you into fighting me again and then your like 'WTF, that ain't stupid rare candy pokemon' and then you would have a really pleasant surprise and the battle would seem 10 x more awesome due to you having a really bad battle before it.

 

[Headsprouter]

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U mad?

no I was eating food. My plan was to fight you today with those pokemon you were going to be like 'GRRR' (except I was surprised at how GRRR you went and I thought you were over reacting by a lot) and then fight you again on Monday with you like 'why should I?' and then I would talk you into fighting me again and then your like 'WTF, that ain't stupid rare candy pokemon' and then you would have a really pleasant surprise and the battle would seem 10 x more awesome due to you having a really bad battle before it.

I wasn't GRRR. I was ticked off. Fiiiine...whatever. I'm sick of arguing anyway. -corny sitcom music begins to play-

 

[Eri]

Rare Candy trained Pokemon are not weaker than normal.

It's just a faster way to train, I see no problem with it.

Really?

I thought they were...

They only are if you don't EV train first--that's the only part that makes any difference.

If you're the kind of person who would ask if rare candy training is fair or not, then obviously you're the kind of person who has zero clue what EVs or IVs are. In other words, for them, rare candy training would just amount to a stupidly weak pokemon with no redeeming features.

So basically, don't game the system unless you know what you're doing kids.

 

[RabbidKuriboh]

chaeting in pokemon doesnt really pose a problem it just saves you a LOT of time and everyone's happy so long as you dont create a dragonite with wonderguard

 

[natster43]

Rare Candy trained Pokemon are not weaker than normal.

It's just a faster way to train, I see no problem with it.

I was pretty sure they are, given that you can't take advantage of EVs.

My friend actually tested that with 2 larvitars, bred both of them to the same EV and IV for attack, and trained one only fighting something that gave max attack EV yield and the other with Rare Candies. Apparently the Rare candy one was actually slightly better stat wise, having the same attack stat and higher HP and Defense I think
Personally if you don't hack them I am fine with Rare Candies being used to train Pokemon.

 

[Marik2]

Rare Candy trained Pokemon are not weaker than normal.

It's just a faster way to train, I see no problem with it.

Really?

I thought they were...

They only are if you don't EV train first--that's the only part that makes any difference.

Alright, never knew that.

Thanks for the info

And lol I gotta find that old spice/pokemon text thing that I showed you a long time ago.

 

[SilverUchiha]

Rare Candy trained Pokemon are not weaker than normal.

It's just a faster way to train, I see no problem with it.

I was pretty sure they are, given that you can't take advantage of EVs.

True, they don't take advantage of EVs, but that doesn't necessarily make them weaker because they still have the EVs. They just need to level up naturally a few levels for it to take effect. Incidentally, you can rare candy up to level 99 and then train that last level with all your EVs in place and gain them all at once (theoretically, never tried it myself).

I see nothing wrong with cheating as long as the cheat produces legit pokemon. In short, moves that can exist on a pokemon with abilities that can exist on the pokemon with stats that can be expected of a pokemon. But giving something like Spiritomb Wonderguard and then rearranging the stats so it is 10x faster would be an obvious cheat and something I wouldn't approve. Otherwise, I'm good with it.

 

[nuba km]

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U mad?

no I was eating food. My plan was to fight you today with those pokemon you were going to be like 'GRRR' (except I was surprised at how GRRR you went and I thought you were over reacting by a lot) and then fight you again on Monday with you like 'why should I?' and then I would talk you into fighting me again and then your like 'WTF, that ain't stupid rare candy pokemon' and then you would have a really pleasant surprise and the battle would seem 10 x more awesome due to you having a really bad battle before it.

I wasn't GRRR. I was ticked off. Fiiiine...whatever. I'm sick of arguing anyway. -corny sitcom music begins to play-

so are we going to have the actual pokemon fight on monday or not?

 

[Jonluw]

I say, try to explain to the guy that you wanted an interesting and involving battle. Explain how battling (and training) rare candy-pokémon is simply boring.

If he doesn't agree to change his party, either don't bother fighting him; or - if you think that might damage your relationship - fight him, but don't bother to put any effort into it.

 

[phantasmalWordsmith]

I have a system. First, I beat the game on my own merits. First, beat elite four, do all the stuff till it gets boring (except battle facilities) then it begins. First, pick which pokemon I
like. formate them into good teams, pick the right moves. then I just go ballistic at places till it gets boring...which it does quick. If I really want to go the distance, I'll try and clear he pokedex and get them all battle ready...but I never do.

If I were in your shoes, I'd stick to my principals. just get clever with your team and their moves.

 

[nuba km]

I say, try to explain to the guy that you wanted an interesting and involving battle. Explain how battling (and training) rare candy-pokémon is simply boring.

If he doesn't agree to change his party, either don't bother fighting him; or - if you think that might damage your relationship - fight him, but don't bother to put any effort into it.

If you read my post (I am the guy he is talking about he even confirms it) the team he is talking about was meant to be there so he would have a crap battle then the next fight would be my real pokemon team and the battle would be more awesome in comparison.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Learn about Effort Values, then come back later.

Not interested in learning the details? Ok, short version:

RARE CANDY DOES NOT WEAKEN YOUR POKE ONE IOTA.

Longer version:
A lack of Effort Values will weaken them. EVs enhance the stats of your Pokemon and are primarily acquired through causing enemy pokes to faint (the type and quantity of EV gained is based on the species defeated).
Stats get recalculated each time you level up, which includes the current EV modifier, so even if you leveled up to 99 on candy, went out and brought your EVs up to snuff, and then used one more candy, you would end up with a pokemon that is identical in power to one raised through grind.

If you're into the competitive realm, it's common to just skip the grinding bullshit and just edit your pokes as necessary (within their legal limits of course. Duels with hacked uberstats/skills/typing lose all significance and don't prove your ability as a player one bit. Plus, it's boring). It's the one instance where I can approve of using a PAR or similar cheating device, because unless you really want to waste weeks of your life grinding one team (and breeding egg moves...ugh) it isn't necessary.
In terms of competition: Every argument I've seen for doing it the "legit" way is sentimental bullshit. Don't try to justify wasting time doing absolutely nothing; It does not make you a better player.

The only argument that works is that neither player has access to a PAR (since you can easily share one between games), in which case it becomes a non-issue anyway.

The single player "story/campaign" is in every pokemon title I've played is balanced to not require power-leveling to win (as long as you know how to match types or where to find certain key Poke's), so it shouldn't be necessary there.

...Did I seriously just write two and half paragraphs on fucking pokemon? Damn, the boredom is really setting in thick today.

 

[silversnake4133]

Eh, I only use rare candies when I really need to, or when my pokemon is one level away from learning a really effective move. Other than that, I find that if you level your pokemon through natural battling and training, they become stronger and have better stats rather than rare candy training. Plus throwing in some minerals and what-not helps as well. Heck, I always train my pokemon by having them battle against pokemon whom have a type advantage over them, and call me crazy, but I think it actually helps to make them more resistant gradually over the course of their training.

P.S. Shiny pokemon are not better than their brethren. They just wook pwetty. I'd rather have a shiny for a pet than a serious battling companion. Yet a lot of people on these wi-fi battle vids seem to think that shinys are the equivalency to God or something. I'm not saying they're annoying, all I'm saying is, I just don't get the hype.