Blackhol said:
See my above post.Daveman said:
Care to expand how Schrödinger's theory fits into this? We're in a state of both being functioning matter and not at the same time until we check? Because I checked and we are.MrNades said:
Poll: Reality
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No need to say that. You just have theories mixed up is all. Plus, I was looking for an argument. I really want to see someone prove their theory. I think most people here have their words very mixed up.MrNades said:
You know, you could have done this yourself, but:Aqualung said:
Real
?adjective
1. true; not merely ostensible, nominal, or apparent: the real reason for an act.
2. existing or occurring as fact; actual rather than imaginary, ideal, or fictitious: a story taken from real life.
3. being an actual thing; having objective existence; not imaginary: The events you will see in the film are real and not just made up.
4. being actually such; not merely so-called: a real victory.
5. genuine; not counterfeit, artificial, or imitation; authentic: a real antique; a real diamond; real silk.
6. unfeigned or sincere: real sympathy; a real friend.
7. Informal. absolute; complete; utter: She's a real brain.
8. Philosophy.
a. existent or pertaining to the existent as opposed to the nonexistent.
b. actual as opposed to possible or potential.
c. independent of experience as opposed to phenomenal or apparent.
9. (of money, income, or the like) measured in purchasing power rather than in nominal value: Inflation has driven income down in real terms, though nominal income appears to be higher.
10. Optics. (of an image) formed by the actual convergence of rays, as the image produced in a camera (opposed to virtual ).
11. Mathematics.
a. of, pertaining to, or having the value of a real number.
b. using real numbers: real analysis; real vector space.
?adverb
12. Informal. very or extremely: You did a real nice job painting the house.
?noun
13. real number.
14. the real,
a. something that actually exists, as a particular quantity.
b. reality in general.
?Idiom
15. for real, Informal.
a. in reality; actually: You mean she dyed her hair green for real?
b. real; actual: The company's plans to relocate are for real.
c. genuine; sincere: I don't believe his friendly attitude is for real.
"I doubt, therefor I am." -Rene' Descarte
Even by doubting your own existence you have proved it, but you can never entirely prove the existence of anything or anyone else. Assuming we all ARE real: everyone have there own subjective reality, which is reliant on the single objective reality. I assume by "reality" you mean the objective world, and sadly there's simply no such thing as proof when it comes to that. Not everything needs proof though.
Even by doubting your own existence you have proved it, but you can never entirely prove the existence of anything or anyone else. Assuming we all ARE real: everyone have there own subjective reality, which is reliant on the single objective reality. I assume by "reality" you mean the objective world, and sadly there's simply no such thing as proof when it comes to that. Not everything needs proof though.
Congratulations, you can copy and paste.PurpleRain said:
But that means nothing. Is 'real' something you can touch, smell, feel? Or are those sorts of things simply what your brain believes is there, but isn't truly? What if there were an object that, if no one were to look at it, it wouldn't exist? Would it still be real?
And my philosophy teacher would have killed you for that.
he also doesn't realise that the OP should word his posts better so that he can make an argument of reality verse non-reality. I like your post. It greets the argument for what it is.AkJay said:
What wording of the term 'reality' do you mean? State of existence or imaginary? I assume the latter because that can still hold some assembly of reality. They are signals in your brain.Del-Toro said:
Well, reread it if you need your answer. I bolded the parts for you. I also need to know what use of the word real you are using. People throw it around like it has a sole meaning. This is why people write long articles about this and not a single paragraph.Aqualung said:
Honestly, I can't make out what you are saying. It's such an open thing and lofty thing to say. Is the sky blue because we believe its blue or is it because blah blah blah.
Research also: Brain. Mind. Matter. Space. There are a lot of good books out there about these subjects.
There are so many ways someone can destroy your argument.
Yes, what we perceive is reality and it is in fact objectively real.
I cannot prove this, I have to assume it. After all, philosophy only get's us to the point of 'I think, therefore I am' before we have to begin making assumptions.
I choose to assume that reality is objectively real, as in my perception of reality has no effect on reality and gives me accurate information (as far as my limited senses go) of reality. I also assume that we can learn something of reality by observing it and applying logic.
This is my base assumption and the only belief I cannot prove or support with independant evidence. Everything else follows.
The alternative is to think that reality is in fact not objectively real. This leads us to a variety of different (and in my mind outlandish) scenarios such as the Matrix possibility or the 'Brain in a demon's jar' hypothesis.
These also cannot be supported by evidence, but they seem a bit counterintuitive. After all, if this was the case, then the sensory information received would be falsified in some manner. That would mean the taking a hammer that your eyes tell you is right next to you and smashing it down on your other hand as hard as you can would in fact not hurt. At least, not in the objective sense, since the pain signal would be false; an illusion.
I choose not to believe these alternative hypothesis of the truth value of objective reality and our sensory perception, because that would essentially rob me of any consistent methods of acting within the perceived world. If my senses lie to me, why should I believe there is a wall in front of me? Why should I not attempt to walk through it? Any pain that I perceive, any danger I sense would be inconsequential, since they would simply be sensory illusions.
I cannot prove that this is not the case. But I choose not to believe it to be the case.
I cannot prove this, I have to assume it. After all, philosophy only get's us to the point of 'I think, therefore I am' before we have to begin making assumptions.
I choose to assume that reality is objectively real, as in my perception of reality has no effect on reality and gives me accurate information (as far as my limited senses go) of reality. I also assume that we can learn something of reality by observing it and applying logic.
This is my base assumption and the only belief I cannot prove or support with independant evidence. Everything else follows.
The alternative is to think that reality is in fact not objectively real. This leads us to a variety of different (and in my mind outlandish) scenarios such as the Matrix possibility or the 'Brain in a demon's jar' hypothesis.
These also cannot be supported by evidence, but they seem a bit counterintuitive. After all, if this was the case, then the sensory information received would be falsified in some manner. That would mean the taking a hammer that your eyes tell you is right next to you and smashing it down on your other hand as hard as you can would in fact not hurt. At least, not in the objective sense, since the pain signal would be false; an illusion.
I choose not to believe these alternative hypothesis of the truth value of objective reality and our sensory perception, because that would essentially rob me of any consistent methods of acting within the perceived world. If my senses lie to me, why should I believe there is a wall in front of me? Why should I not attempt to walk through it? Any pain that I perceive, any danger I sense would be inconsequential, since they would simply be sensory illusions.
I cannot prove that this is not the case. But I choose not to believe it to be the case.
