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artanis_neravar

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There's this girl I like and I'm not sure if she likes me, but that's not the point. She is the best friend of my best friends fiance. She will be the Maid of Honor, while I will be the Best Man at the wedding next year. My question is coming up, bear with me please. I've known this girl for four years now, just as acquaintances, but this summer the four of us have been hanging out a lot (movies, at my friends apartment, we helped him move this past weekend, etc) and I've seen her nerdy side and I've grown to like her. Now for my question: Is it better to ask a girl out now, when you are still more acquaintances, or is it better to become friends before trying for a relationship?

*It might also be important to note that I am hesitant to discuss it with my friend or his fiance, mostly because I dated one of her friends for two years in college before we broke up (she dumped me) my friendship with my ex deteriorated soon after, and I worry a little that that experience might have turned them off to me dating this girl.

Just to sum up:
My question is not whether I should ask her out or not, just what people think is better: Go from friends to a relationship, or start a relationship when you are still getting to know each other.
 

DannyJBeckett

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The thing about being friends with someone before attempting to engage in a relationship with them is that there is a risk of falling into the 'friend zone', where the person you have feelings for sees you too much as a friend to consider you for romantic partnership. (Trust me, I know ALL about the friend zone).

If you have been getting along quite well recently, then in my opinion I believe you should ask her out on a date. Don't make it all melodramatic, drop onto one knee sort of stuff. Just next time you're with her, say "Hey I was wondering if maybe we could go see a movie or something, just the two of us.", or something to that effect.

The important thing with it is: do it when YOU'RE comfortable. There's nothing worse than wading chest-deep into something then realising you're not up for it.
 

Avistew

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Personally, I say no to guys who ask me out if we're not friends. Doesn't mean you can't ask out, then be friends though (provided you want to actually be friends).
My fiancé for instance asked me out, I said no because I didn't know him well enough. Then we became friends and after a few months I fell in love with him from being friends (and in big part because he never asked again. Very disrespectful to be pushy). So I asked him if he was still interested in dating, and he was.
Of course I risk people losing interest in me, but if they lose interest when we become friends, I figure we weren't compatible in the first place.

The thing to understand about the "friend zone" is that there isn't a zone you enter the second you are friends that makes you undatable. The way it works isn't "you're in the friend zone so she won't be interested in you". It's "she isn't interested in you, SO you're gonna stay in the friend zone".
In other words, if I hadn't been interested in my fiancé, we'd still be friends. And he might feel like he's in the "friend zone" and it's "too late". But the reality is, when you're friends with someone, they get to know you. So if they don't ask you out or are interested, when they know you so well, they won't be interested in you. Period.

On the other hand, some people don't date people they don't know well. As I said, I'd never say yes to someone who isn't a friend. I need to trust someone enough to be willing to date them. I'm not a rarity, I've asked around and most of my girlfriends prefer it to be that way. Sometimes they meet someone, talk and hit it off and are willing to go from there, but there is a big unknown and the guy could turn out to be a jerk, etc. Getting to know each other first feels more safe.

Anyway, as I said, asking first isn't necessarily a bad idea. You can throw it out there that you're interested. Then she says yes or no, and if she says no, you can still be friends and she'll know you're interested. The problem is, then you can't really ask again without running the risk of being pushy. So only do that if you want to at least be friends, and not just to get the girl, because she might very well never be interested.

Same thing if you become friends without asking. And I'm going to let you in on a secret. When a girl says "I don't want to ruin our friendship", she doesn't mean "you're in the friend zone now. I'd love to date you but I just can't". 99% of the time, what she means is "I'm not interested in you at all, but I'm afraid I'll hurt your feelings if I say so. Plus you're a great friend and I don't want to lose you". Because if she does feel the same, believe me, in my experience, she will say yes or even ask you out/seduce you first.
In a small portion of the cases, it's possible that the girl is genuinely worried she might ruin everything forever if she dates you. That's usually the case when she lacks self-confidence. I'm not sure what you could do as there isn't much of a way to identify that 1%, so you might still have to bite the bullet, be just friends, and see if she ever gets more self confidence, but not wait for her.

So, that's pretty much it... Good luck.

And to answer your question, yeah, all my relationships have started with friendships and I wouldn't have it any other way. On the other hand, being my friend doesn't mean I'll date you, either. I wouldn't date most of my male friends. That's why I didn't ask them out when I was single, because I like them, they're great friends, but we have no chemistry and I don't see myself sharing my life with them. They're not in the Friend Zone, they're in the "we're not compatible" zone and they're my friend. That's not the same thing from my point of view.
 

artanis_neravar

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DannyJBeckett said:
The thing about being friends with someone before attempting to engage in a relationship with them is that there is a risk of falling into the 'friend zone', where the person you have feelings for sees you too much as a friend to consider you for romantic partnership. (Trust me, I know ALL about the friend zone).

If you have been getting along quite well recently, then in my opinion I believe you should ask her out on a date. Don't make it all melodramatic, drop onto one knee sort of stuff. Just next time you're with her, say "Hey I was wondering if maybe we could go see a movie or something, just the two of us.", or something to that effect.

The important thing with it is: do it when YOU'RE comfortable. There's nothing worse than wading chest-deep into something then realising you're not up for it.
We are friendly enough that she still picks on me for (it has just occured to me that she could actually be on here so I am going to edit this detail out) making a stupid mistake while playing a game (4 Loko and a swig of whiskey might have been involved.) But back on topic I'm actually planning on asking her to Harry Potter, or Captain America
 

DannyJBeckett

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If you're planning on asking her, then go for it! You know what they say: "Faint-heart never won fair lady."
 

artanis_neravar

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Avistew said:
I actually created a poll a while ago with that exact Idea as my argument on the topic.
The only issue might be that she's never had a serious relationship (not really sure why)
 

Zorak the Mantis

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Make friends with her first, get together without your other friends and see how well you click. If you guys have some chemistry once you are friends ask her out.
 

artanis_neravar

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Zorak the Mantis said:
Make friends with her first, get together without your other friends and see how well you click. If you guys have some chemistry once you are friends ask her out.
DannyJBeckett said:
If you're planning on asking her, then go for it! You know what they say: "Faint-heart never won fair lady."
Pretty much what I plan on doing
 

aba1

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Ya me n my gf were friends for a good while before we started dating I found I got to like her more because I actually knew her well which meant we had a deeper connection than you seem interesting. People say there is a friend zone but thats somthing that I really do not believe in if your good friends and you decide to date you likely wont break up because you were already used to the person from the get go.
 

jackpackage200

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In my experience with dateing a friend is that if the relationship ends badly the friendship goes with it. I lost a really good friend that way
 

Zantos

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I'd say you do need to be friends, but plan ahead. No need to go straight for relationship just yet, but do more hanging out as just the two of you. Hang out and play games, or see films, or go for drinks, but just so you can be getting to know each other better. Then if it clicks, go in like the mighty monarch stalking it's prey. If it doesn't click, you've picked up a great new friend.
 

artanis_neravar

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Zantos said:
I'd say you do need to be friends, but plan ahead. No need to go straight for relationship just yet, but do more hanging out as just the two of you. Hang out and play games, or see films, or go for drinks, but just so you can be getting to know each other better. Then if it clicks, go in like the mighty monarch stalking it's prey. If it doesn't click, you've picked up a great new friend.
I would indeed have a great new friend, anyone I can argue with about which is better DC or Marvel is a welcome friend.
 

Sandernista

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I think it really depends on the person. If you guys have really clicked on these outings and whatnot then go for it!

My girlfriend and I were friends for a few months before she asked me out. (READ: forced me to date her) We broke up, became closer friends, and then we became closer[footnote]NudgenudgeknowutuhmeanknowutuhmeannudgenudgeSaynomoresaynomore[/footnote] friends.

But, I was not friends first with any of my previous girlfriends.
 

artanis_neravar

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Hafrael said:
I think it really depends on the person. If you guys have really clicked on these outings and whatnot then go for it!

My girlfriend and I were friends for a few months before she asked me out. (READ: forced me to date her) We broke up, became closer friends, and then we became closer[footnote]NudgenudgeknowutuhmeanknowutuhmeannudgenudgeSaynomoresaynomore[/footnote] friends.

But, I was not friends first with any of my previous girlfriends.
I'm more interested in the forced you to date her part....either way I think I will go for it
 

TheRightToArmBears

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You know, becoming friends first is probably a good idea. The 'friend zone' is more or less bullshit, if a girl tells you that, it's almost certainly an excuse. A girl is more likely to go out with you if you befriend them because it means they know you.
 

SirDoom

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Ok, my advice- flirt with her starting now, and don't wait too long to ask her out. From there, you can try to become a bit closer before you actually ask her out. Just make sure the she knows you're interested from the very beginning, and if you think you're close enough to ask her out, do it. That's always worked for me.
 

artanis_neravar

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SirDoom said:
Ok, my advice- flirt with her starting now, and don't wait too long to ask her out. From there, you can try to become a bit closer before you actually ask her out. Just make sure the she knows you're interested from the very beginning, and if you think you're close enough to ask her out, do it. That's always worked for me.
Oh I do, it's just my particular brand of flirting, and there's no guarantee that people pick up on it
 

Sandernista

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artanis_neravar said:
Hafrael said:
I think it really depends on the person. If you guys have really clicked on these outings and whatnot then go for it!

My girlfriend and I were friends for a few months before she asked me out. (READ: forced me to date her) We broke up, became closer friends, and then we became closer[footnote]NudgenudgeknowutuhmeanknowutuhmeannudgenudgeSaynomoresaynomore[/footnote] friends.

But, I was not friends first with any of my previous girlfriends.
I'm more interested in the forced you to date her part....either way I think I will go for it
Freshman year of highschool, she meets me.

A few months later, I get a notification on Facebook. 'Girlfriend is in a relationship with you'

That's only how it started. :D
 

artanis_neravar

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Hafrael said:
artanis_neravar said:
Hafrael said:
I think it really depends on the person. If you guys have really clicked on these outings and whatnot then go for it!

My girlfriend and I were friends for a few months before she asked me out. (READ: forced me to date her) We broke up, became closer friends, and then we became closer[footnote]NudgenudgeknowutuhmeanknowutuhmeannudgenudgeSaynomoresaynomore[/footnote] friends.

But, I was not friends first with any of my previous girlfriends.
I'm more interested in the forced you to date her part....either way I think I will go for it
Freshman year of highschool, she meets me.

A few months later, I get a notification on Facebook. 'Girlfriend is in a relationship with you'

That's only how it started. :D
That is awesome!
 

BonsaiK

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artanis_neravar said:
There's this girl I like and I'm not sure if she likes me, but that's not the point. She is the best friend of my best friends fiance. She will be the Maid of Honor, while I will be the Best Man at the wedding next year. My question is coming up, bear with me please. I've known this girl for four years now, just as acquaintances, but this summer the four of us have been hanging out a lot (movies, at my friends apartment, we helped him move this past weekend, etc) and I've seen her nerdy side and I've grown to like her. Now for my question: Is it better to ask a girl out now, when you are still more acquaintances, or is it better to become friends before trying for a relationship?

*It might also be important to note that I am hesitant to discuss it with my friend or his fiance, mostly because I dated one of her friends for two years in college before we broke up (she dumped me) my friendship with my ex deteriorated soon after, and I worry a little that that experience might have turned them off to me dating this girl.

Just to sum up:
My question is not whether I should ask her out or not, just what people think is better: Go from friends to a relationship, or start a relationship when you are still getting to know each other.
Firstly, ignore anyone who uses the term "Friends Zone". This zone does not exist. There is only "she likes you enough to be in a relationship with you" and "she does not like you enough to be in a relationship with you". Anything else is nonsense.

Secondly, straight to relationship. Sooner the better. You've known her 4 years already, how much longer do you want to wait? Do it, preferably before you finish reading this sentence, not because of some "Friends Zone" malarkey (which is always just an excuse thought up by people to justify their failure at this sort of thing, because it couldn't possibly be that she doesn't like them now, could it), just because if you don't do it, I guarantee you that someone else will first.