Poll: religon: a 7 point scale

[bladeofdarkness]

all people who follow any given religion should be well aware of the one flaw in the proposition that their religion is the right one and only they are going to heaven
and the flaws is that if you accept the idea that only one religion is the right one
is that statistically speaking you are most likely to go to hell

 

[Shoqiyqa]

Have you ever studied biology? Are you aware of how mind-buggeringly complex even some of the most simple creatures are? It's just impossible that this happened by coincidence.

If you start from the assumption that there's only one "world i.e. planet" and the whole universe is only 8,600 years old, you're likely to be amazed that all this amazing stuff has happened.

If you start by assuming the universe is as big and as old as observations and scientific understanding indicate that it appears to be* then the odds of life appearing somewhere suddenly look a lot more favourable. Some people at this point will bring up the fact that life just happened to appear on *this* planet and apparently think that's proof that it was done by some sort of god. "This planet" is defined by the person saying it as being the one on which that person is at the time, which is generally the one on which life evolved into that person ... so it was bound to be on "this" planet.

Retina are connected at the wrong ends. That's why there's a blind spot in a mammalian eye's vision. Intelligent design with a divine purpose?



* Taking mass to be a form of energy, the universe could be a lot older than "since the Big Bang", having imploded and exploded a lot. If you want to get into quantum madness, it could be on a loop through time for all we know.

 

[UtopiaV1]

Interesting poll, differs from the norm, and the results are interesting. I suppose if you spend 90% of your time on video games killing hordes of people for fun then u gotta lean towards atheism, or god will SMITE THEE!!! (I think atheists get pardoned for murder, cos we're too stupid to know better...)

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

Close to 7. I do not believe in any of the current mainstream deities because whenever I hear the stories about them I think "Yep, I know exactly where they took that from. Shame myths can't be copyrighted."

 

[Goldbling]

I voted 2.00 but I'm really 1.00, I Firmly believe there is a God. Maybe not the one I believe in, but there is defiantly a God.

I've always wondered the "why" to this.

In the end it doesn't matter, people who don't like reality will continue to fluff it and there is nothing nice anyone else can do to change that.

To me I just don't see the evidence. What is there that would give the idea to anyone that there is some sort of almighty being. I'm a huge fan of the universe and I get a boner everytime I read an astrophysics book, I am a huge fan of life and I get a cognitive boner anytime a new discovery is made. I just don't see the evidence for a supreme being nor does it appear that faking it does any justice to an otherwise astoundingly interesting existence.

I'd rather not shit on this cake just because I really feel the need to take a dump.

You believe what you believe and that's fine. No one can provide you with the "evidence" you need to know there is a God, you can only find that yourself.

Again you are trying to legitimize a view that undermines every other thing you know.

If we can just belief in things for funsies then all knowledge is entirely moot because it serves no purpose.

Essentially once you start believing in things because you can you are closing your mind to any other knowledge. Once you start being skeptical you are making yourself a hypocrite. If you accept the scientific theory for anything else it is unreasonable to make an exception for something just because it makes you feel good.

But then reason isn't exactly part of the gameplan. What benefit do you get out of faith that you wouldn't get out of optimism? I know the answer but I hate rhetorical questions so I'll let you give me an answer.

None, I suppose if that's the way you wan to think about it. Whats with the whole "Religion don't let you lern nothin'" thing going on lately? I seek knowledge like any other person religious or otherwise, I also aspire to do something beside fight with people on teh internets like Genealogy, Astronomy, hell maybe even be a Historian. There is no rule in the Bible that's said you much turn off your brain and shut out all logic. Logic also depends on the person, what seems a logical choise to one person may seem totally idiotic and ignorant to another.

Well historically that's the case. The numbers you use are Arabic Numerals, almost every star visible at night with your eye has an Arabic name, and initially the Arabic region of the world was responsible for basically all scientific advancement.

Then one day it was declared that mathematics was the work of the devil (sounds stupid but it happened). After that the Arab world collapsed cognitively and even now, thousands of years later it hasn't recovered.

Look at creationists. They are fighting hard to debunk evolution. However evolution has been evolving since it was first developed. They tend to use darwinian statements and act like people still believe he was 100% correct. Much like Einstein or Newton he had a vast majority of the basics down but wasn't entirely right. However what do you get out of creationism? You get nothing. It cannot help you develop cures, understand viruses, examine anything biologically.

The pure idea of faith is a slap in the face of knowledge. By the very nature of believing in something because you can and not because there is a reason to you leave yourself being a hypocrite. Why is it alright to believe in god just because but you can't believe in flying spaghetti monsters with the same legitimacy.

There is an invisible race of beings that produce no signs that would ever give light to their existence. They walk around the Earth just as we do. I've just developed something that can never be dis proven. Does that mean its true? From a scientific standpoint its not even worth thinking about. However if we go off the tenets of faith the answer should or possibly even must be "Yes it is true."

Every single time you reach a question that cannot simply be answered will you say "God did it." or will you investigate. If you investigate then why did you accept god so easily?

Why do I care what a select group of people thought a long time ago? What affect does that have on me in today's world where we know more than was known then? It doesn't it's an empty statement that doesn't apply to today's Christians nor does it apply to our Bible.

In the case of the FSM, if it actually spoke to someone a long time ago, and if it actually created the universe that argument might work but since it didn't it doesn't apply.

In the argument of the Invisible race... Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing, since you are the sourse or "person" in this equation then in the terms of faith it is also not even worth thinking about.

Don't bother making another long winded argument, just cut strait to what you are going to say.

[small]i hate reading on the internets, it hurts mah eyes[/small]

 

[Shoqiyqa]

I Believe in God 110%

You and God should get a room.

Don't forget to leave a 10% tip for room service.

 

[S.H.A.R.P.]

One of the better religious threads in my opinion. A simple question if whether you're religious or not just doesn't cut it.

I voted 6, though I don't like the term "god".

 

[theultimateend]

I voted 2.00 but I'm really 1.00, I Firmly believe there is a God. Maybe not the one I believe in, but there is defiantly a God.

I've always wondered the "why" to this.

In the end it doesn't matter, people who don't like reality will continue to fluff it and there is nothing nice anyone else can do to change that.

To me I just don't see the evidence. What is there that would give the idea to anyone that there is some sort of almighty being. I'm a huge fan of the universe and I get a boner everytime I read an astrophysics book, I am a huge fan of life and I get a cognitive boner anytime a new discovery is made. I just don't see the evidence for a supreme being nor does it appear that faking it does any justice to an otherwise astoundingly interesting existence.

I'd rather not shit on this cake just because I really feel the need to take a dump.

You believe what you believe and that's fine. No one can provide you with the "evidence" you need to know there is a God, you can only find that yourself.

Again you are trying to legitimize a view that undermines every other thing you know.

If we can just belief in things for funsies then all knowledge is entirely moot because it serves no purpose.

Essentially once you start believing in things because you can you are closing your mind to any other knowledge. Once you start being skeptical you are making yourself a hypocrite. If you accept the scientific theory for anything else it is unreasonable to make an exception for something just because it makes you feel good.

But then reason isn't exactly part of the gameplan. What benefit do you get out of faith that you wouldn't get out of optimism? I know the answer but I hate rhetorical questions so I'll let you give me an answer.

None, I suppose if that's the way you wan to think about it. Whats with the whole "Religion don't let you lern nothin'" thing going on lately? I seek knowledge like any other person religious or otherwise, I also aspire to do something beside fight with people on teh internets like Genealogy, Astronomy, hell maybe even be a Historian. There is no rule in the Bible that's said you much turn off your brain and shut out all logic. Logic also depends on the person, what seems a logical choise to one person may seem totally idiotic and ignorant to another.

Well historically that's the case. The numbers you use are Arabic Numerals, almost every star visible at night with your eye has an Arabic name, and initially the Arabic region of the world was responsible for basically all scientific advancement.

Then one day it was declared that mathematics was the work of the devil (sounds stupid but it happened). After that the Arab world collapsed cognitively and even now, thousands of years later it hasn't recovered.

Look at creationists. They are fighting hard to debunk evolution. However evolution has been evolving since it was first developed. They tend to use darwinian statements and act like people still believe he was 100% correct. Much like Einstein or Newton he had a vast majority of the basics down but wasn't entirely right. However what do you get out of creationism? You get nothing. It cannot help you develop cures, understand viruses, examine anything biologically.

The pure idea of faith is a slap in the face of knowledge. By the very nature of believing in something because you can and not because there is a reason to you leave yourself being a hypocrite. Why is it alright to believe in god just because but you can't believe in flying spaghetti monsters with the same legitimacy.

There is an invisible race of beings that produce no signs that would ever give light to their existence. They walk around the Earth just as we do. I've just developed something that can never be dis proven. Does that mean its true? From a scientific standpoint its not even worth thinking about. However if we go off the tenets of faith the answer should or possibly even must be "Yes it is true."

Every single time you reach a question that cannot simply be answered will you say "God did it." or will you investigate. If you investigate then why did you accept god so easily?

Why do I care what a select group of people thought a long time ago? What affect does that have on me in today's world where we know more than was known then? It doesn't it's an empty statement that doesn't apply to today's Christians nor does it apply to our Bible.

In the case of the FSM, if it actually spoke to someone a long time ago, and if it actually created the universe that argument might work but since it didn't it doesn't apply.

In the argument of the Invisible race... Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing, since you are the sourse or "person" in this equation then in the terms of faith it is also not even worth thinking about.

Don't bother making another long winded argument, just cut strait to what you are going to say.

[small]i hate reading on the internets, it hurts mah eyes[/small]

Ok I'll make it short. As I noted earlier. Your faith legitimizes extremists and causes the deaths of thousands and thousands of people at the very least every single year. Because for every you there is a few million more and together they are what make faiths more than cults.

 

[Goldbling]

I voted 2.00 but I'm really 1.00, I Firmly believe there is a God. Maybe not the one I believe in, but there is defiantly a God.

I've always wondered the "why" to this.

In the end it doesn't matter, people who don't like reality will continue to fluff it and there is nothing nice anyone else can do to change that.

To me I just don't see the evidence. What is there that would give the idea to anyone that there is some sort of almighty being. I'm a huge fan of the universe and I get a boner everytime I read an astrophysics book, I am a huge fan of life and I get a cognitive boner anytime a new discovery is made. I just don't see the evidence for a supreme being nor does it appear that faking it does any justice to an otherwise astoundingly interesting existence.

I'd rather not shit on this cake just because I really feel the need to take a dump.

You believe what you believe and that's fine. No one can provide you with the "evidence" you need to know there is a God, you can only find that yourself.

Again you are trying to legitimize a view that undermines every other thing you know.

If we can just belief in things for funsies then all knowledge is entirely moot because it serves no purpose.

Essentially once you start believing in things because you can you are closing your mind to any other knowledge. Once you start being skeptical you are making yourself a hypocrite. If you accept the scientific theory for anything else it is unreasonable to make an exception for something just because it makes you feel good.

But then reason isn't exactly part of the gameplan. What benefit do you get out of faith that you wouldn't get out of optimism? I know the answer but I hate rhetorical questions so I'll let you give me an answer.

None, I suppose if that's the way you wan to think about it. Whats with the whole "Religion don't let you lern nothin'" thing going on lately? I seek knowledge like any other person religious or otherwise, I also aspire to do something beside fight with people on teh internets like Genealogy, Astronomy, hell maybe even be a Historian. There is no rule in the Bible that's said you much turn off your brain and shut out all logic. Logic also depends on the person, what seems a logical choise to one person may seem totally idiotic and ignorant to another.

Well historically that's the case. The numbers you use are Arabic Numerals, almost every star visible at night with your eye has an Arabic name, and initially the Arabic region of the world was responsible for basically all scientific advancement.

Then one day it was declared that mathematics was the work of the devil (sounds stupid but it happened). After that the Arab world collapsed cognitively and even now, thousands of years later it hasn't recovered.

Look at creationists. They are fighting hard to debunk evolution. However evolution has been evolving since it was first developed. They tend to use darwinian statements and act like people still believe he was 100% correct. Much like Einstein or Newton he had a vast majority of the basics down but wasn't entirely right. However what do you get out of creationism? You get nothing. It cannot help you develop cures, understand viruses, examine anything biologically.

The pure idea of faith is a slap in the face of knowledge. By the very nature of believing in something because you can and not because there is a reason to you leave yourself being a hypocrite. Why is it alright to believe in god just because but you can't believe in flying spaghetti monsters with the same legitimacy.

There is an invisible race of beings that produce no signs that would ever give light to their existence. They walk around the Earth just as we do. I've just developed something that can never be dis proven. Does that mean its true? From a scientific standpoint its not even worth thinking about. However if we go off the tenets of faith the answer should or possibly even must be "Yes it is true."

Every single time you reach a question that cannot simply be answered will you say "God did it." or will you investigate. If you investigate then why did you accept god so easily?

Why do I care what a select group of people thought a long time ago? What affect does that have on me in today's world where we know more than was known then? It doesn't it's an empty statement that doesn't apply to today's Christians nor does it apply to our Bible.

In the case of the FSM, if it actually spoke to someone a long time ago, and if it actually created the universe that argument might work but since it didn't it doesn't apply.

In the argument of the Invisible race... Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing, since you are the sourse or "person" in this equation then in the terms of faith it is also not even worth thinking about.

Don't bother making another long winded argument, just cut strait to what you are going to say.

[small]i hate reading on the internets, it hurts mah eyes[/small]

Ok I'll make it short. As I noted earlier. Your faith legitimizes extremists and causes the deaths of thousands and thousands of people at the very least every single year. Because for every you there is a few million more and together they are what make faiths more than cults.

Thank you,

be that as it may, I still believe what I believe and there isn't one person who can change that, and vice-versa.

But there isn't any reason Theists and Atheists can't co-exist without arguing (actually there probably is and I just don't know it), that's the kind of world I want to live in. Although this discussion may have fucked that plan up a bit...

 

[Cliff_m85]

I voted 2.00 but I'm really 1.00, I Firmly believe there is a God. Maybe not the one I believe in, but there is defiantly a God.

I've always wondered the "why" to this.

In the end it doesn't matter, people who don't like reality will continue to fluff it and there is nothing nice anyone else can do to change that.

To me I just don't see the evidence. What is there that would give the idea to anyone that there is some sort of almighty being. I'm a huge fan of the universe and I get a boner everytime I read an astrophysics book, I am a huge fan of life and I get a cognitive boner anytime a new discovery is made. I just don't see the evidence for a supreme being nor does it appear that faking it does any justice to an otherwise astoundingly interesting existence.

I'd rather not shit on this cake just because I really feel the need to take a dump.

You believe what you believe and that's fine. No one can provide you with the "evidence" you need to know there is a God, you can only find that yourself.

Again you are trying to legitimize a view that undermines every other thing you know.

If we can just belief in things for funsies then all knowledge is entirely moot because it serves no purpose.

Essentially once you start believing in things because you can you are closing your mind to any other knowledge. Once you start being skeptical you are making yourself a hypocrite. If you accept the scientific theory for anything else it is unreasonable to make an exception for something just because it makes you feel good.

But then reason isn't exactly part of the gameplan. What benefit do you get out of faith that you wouldn't get out of optimism? I know the answer but I hate rhetorical questions so I'll let you give me an answer.

None, I suppose if that's the way you wan to think about it. Whats with the whole "Religion don't let you lern nothin'" thing going on lately? I seek knowledge like any other person religious or otherwise, I also aspire to do something beside fight with people on teh internets like Genealogy, Astronomy, hell maybe even be a Historian. There is no rule in the Bible that's said you much turn off your brain and shut out all logic. Logic also depends on the person, what seems a logical choise to one person may seem totally idiotic and ignorant to another.

Well historically that's the case. The numbers you use are Arabic Numerals, almost every star visible at night with your eye has an Arabic name, and initially the Arabic region of the world was responsible for basically all scientific advancement.

Then one day it was declared that mathematics was the work of the devil (sounds stupid but it happened). After that the Arab world collapsed cognitively and even now, thousands of years later it hasn't recovered.

Look at creationists. They are fighting hard to debunk evolution. However evolution has been evolving since it was first developed. They tend to use darwinian statements and act like people still believe he was 100% correct. Much like Einstein or Newton he had a vast majority of the basics down but wasn't entirely right. However what do you get out of creationism? You get nothing. It cannot help you develop cures, understand viruses, examine anything biologically.

The pure idea of faith is a slap in the face of knowledge. By the very nature of believing in something because you can and not because there is a reason to you leave yourself being a hypocrite. Why is it alright to believe in god just because but you can't believe in flying spaghetti monsters with the same legitimacy.

There is an invisible race of beings that produce no signs that would ever give light to their existence. They walk around the Earth just as we do. I've just developed something that can never be dis proven. Does that mean its true? From a scientific standpoint its not even worth thinking about. However if we go off the tenets of faith the answer should or possibly even must be "Yes it is true."

Every single time you reach a question that cannot simply be answered will you say "God did it." or will you investigate. If you investigate then why did you accept god so easily?

Why do I care what a select group of people thought a long time ago? What affect does that have on me in today's world where we know more than was known then? It doesn't it's an empty statement that doesn't apply to today's Christians nor does it apply to our Bible.

In the case of the FSM, if it actually spoke to someone a long time ago, and if it actually created the universe that argument might work but since it didn't it doesn't apply.

In the argument of the Invisible race... Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing, since you are the sourse or "person" in this equation then in the terms of faith it is also not even worth thinking about.

Don't bother making another long winded argument, just cut strait to what you are going to say.

[small]i hate reading on the internets, it hurts mah eyes[/small]

Ok I'll make it short. As I noted earlier. Your faith legitimizes extremists and causes the deaths of thousands and thousands of people at the very least every single year. Because for every you there is a few million more and together they are what make faiths more than cults.

Thank you,

be that as it may, I still believe what I believe and there isn't one person who can change that, and vice-versa.

But there isn't any reason Theists and Atheists can't co-exist without arguing (actually there probably is and I just don't know it), that's the kind of world I want to live in. Although this discussion may have fucked that plan up a bit...

This is why we can't.

 

[TheSunshineHobo]

I'm 100% certain that 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510 is Pi to 50 places.

 

[Suikun]

I'm a comfortable 1.00

However, I think it's easier for me to be religious than some others because I have my own, unique belief system that, if you wanted to get into semantics, I guess you could call "occult".

Guess I see things as kind of laze faire (not sure if I butchered that or not..) in terms of religion, because if people benefit from believing in a god or gods, then why deny them their right to believe such? If they don't and it makes things easier for them, why try to push your beliefs on them?

I forget where I heard this, but it's a saying that goes something along the lines of, "Religion shouldn't be about conforming to a belief and a strict set of rules laid out by a large group of people who claim to know better than you. Rather, it should be a personal thing between you and your God."

My question is this: Why do we need organized religion? Why can't we just say that this is what I believe and that's that instead of having to tack on labels for everything that force people into believing things they don't want to?

 

[Goldbling]

I voted 2.00 but I'm really 1.00, I Firmly believe there is a God. Maybe not the one I believe in, but there is defiantly a God.

I've always wondered the "why" to this.

In the end it doesn't matter, people who don't like reality will continue to fluff it and there is nothing nice anyone else can do to change that.

To me I just don't see the evidence. What is there that would give the idea to anyone that there is some sort of almighty being. I'm a huge fan of the universe and I get a boner everytime I read an astrophysics book, I am a huge fan of life and I get a cognitive boner anytime a new discovery is made. I just don't see the evidence for a supreme being nor does it appear that faking it does any justice to an otherwise astoundingly interesting existence.

I'd rather not shit on this cake just because I really feel the need to take a dump.

You believe what you believe and that's fine. No one can provide you with the "evidence" you need to know there is a God, you can only find that yourself.

Again you are trying to legitimize a view that undermines every other thing you know.

If we can just belief in things for funsies then all knowledge is entirely moot because it serves no purpose.

Essentially once you start believing in things because you can you are closing your mind to any other knowledge. Once you start being skeptical you are making yourself a hypocrite. If you accept the scientific theory for anything else it is unreasonable to make an exception for something just because it makes you feel good.

But then reason isn't exactly part of the gameplan. What benefit do you get out of faith that you wouldn't get out of optimism? I know the answer but I hate rhetorical questions so I'll let you give me an answer.

None, I suppose if that's the way you wan to think about it. Whats with the whole "Religion don't let you lern nothin'" thing going on lately? I seek knowledge like any other person religious or otherwise, I also aspire to do something beside fight with people on teh internets like Genealogy, Astronomy, hell maybe even be a Historian. There is no rule in the Bible that's said you much turn off your brain and shut out all logic. Logic also depends on the person, what seems a logical choise to one person may seem totally idiotic and ignorant to another.

Well historically that's the case. The numbers you use are Arabic Numerals, almost every star visible at night with your eye has an Arabic name, and initially the Arabic region of the world was responsible for basically all scientific advancement.

Then one day it was declared that mathematics was the work of the devil (sounds stupid but it happened). After that the Arab world collapsed cognitively and even now, thousands of years later it hasn't recovered.

Look at creationists. They are fighting hard to debunk evolution. However evolution has been evolving since it was first developed. They tend to use darwinian statements and act like people still believe he was 100% correct. Much like Einstein or Newton he had a vast majority of the basics down but wasn't entirely right. However what do you get out of creationism? You get nothing. It cannot help you develop cures, understand viruses, examine anything biologically.

The pure idea of faith is a slap in the face of knowledge. By the very nature of believing in something because you can and not because there is a reason to you leave yourself being a hypocrite. Why is it alright to believe in god just because but you can't believe in flying spaghetti monsters with the same legitimacy.

There is an invisible race of beings that produce no signs that would ever give light to their existence. They walk around the Earth just as we do. I've just developed something that can never be dis proven. Does that mean its true? From a scientific standpoint its not even worth thinking about. However if we go off the tenets of faith the answer should or possibly even must be "Yes it is true."

Every single time you reach a question that cannot simply be answered will you say "God did it." or will you investigate. If you investigate then why did you accept god so easily?

Why do I care what a select group of people thought a long time ago? What affect does that have on me in today's world where we know more than was known then? It doesn't it's an empty statement that doesn't apply to today's Christians nor does it apply to our Bible.

In the case of the FSM, if it actually spoke to someone a long time ago, and if it actually created the universe that argument might work but since it didn't it doesn't apply.

In the argument of the Invisible race... Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing, since you are the sourse or "person" in this equation then in the terms of faith it is also not even worth thinking about.

Don't bother making another long winded argument, just cut strait to what you are going to say.

[small]i hate reading on the internets, it hurts mah eyes[/small]

Ok I'll make it short. As I noted earlier. Your faith legitimizes extremists and causes the deaths of thousands and thousands of people at the very least every single year. Because for every you there is a few million more and together they are what make faiths more than cults.

Thank you,

be that as it may, I still believe what I believe and there isn't one person who can change that, and vice-versa.

But there isn't any reason Theists and Atheists can't co-exist without arguing (actually there probably is and I just don't know it), that's the kind of world I want to live in. Although this discussion may have fucked that plan up a bit...

This is why we can't.

Oh well...

 

[Chicago Ted]

7.0

Athiests unite! FORM OF A BUCKET OF WATER!

 

[Deadpoolsbrain]

I would probably be 6.5 I suppose.

 

[Aardvark]

Where does "Who Cares?" fit on that scale?

Apatheist, if you will.

 

[Zombie_Fish]

you CANT actually mean what you just said
what about santa, or the tooth fairy, or the flying spaghetti monster

when two sides are arguing, the answer does NOT, by default, lies somewhere in the middle
its quite possible for one side to be plain wrong

Of course one side is wrong, there is always one side that's wrong when it comes to an arguement. Doesn't mean that that the answer's obvious though.

This is especialy true when arguing about whether or not something (such as God or Dragons) exist. How can you actually prove that they don't exist? If they don't exist then there's no proof that they don't exist, so it's impossible to actually prove that they don't exist.

 

[yosophat]

There is a difference between enforcing genes and changing genes. When you breed dogs you are enforcing or exaggerating genetic qualities those genes or gene segments stay the same the only difference happens in the genes responsible for allocating resources to those parts of the organism. When a fish starts to develop a lung thats evolution I would like to see a similar process repeated otherwise the mutations that happen randomly at different places in the genome, the only natural way to change an organism, cannot yield a new organ or biological system let alone different species like cats and dos there have to be intelligent factors at work.

 

[SebZero]

Something else.

I think God probably does exist (like... 75% chance), but even if He does exist I don't think I'd believe in him

 

[barryween]

I'd say 5.5.
I think god is highly unlikely, but I'm a "It's fake until I see substantial evidence otherwise" kind of guy.