Poll: Should being obese be considered a disability?
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No, no, no.
I refuse to enable the majority of the human population to get special perks, sit around on welfare and get fatter while I'm working my ass off to support their fat one.
No. Fucking. Way.
If I sound like some elitist skinny snob, then let me set you straight: I'm 5' 10", female and weigh 260 pounds. Technically, I AM considered 'obese'. I work hard, I love outdoor and physical activities. What screws me over for losing weight, ironically, is that I don't eat regularly enough. I have one meal a day, which isn't good no matter WHAT it is that you're eating, but I can't help it: I feel like I'm going to throw up if I try to eat when I don't feel hungry.
I refuse to enable the majority of the human population to get special perks, sit around on welfare and get fatter while I'm working my ass off to support their fat one.
No. Fucking. Way.
If I sound like some elitist skinny snob, then let me set you straight: I'm 5' 10", female and weigh 260 pounds. Technically, I AM considered 'obese'. I work hard, I love outdoor and physical activities. What screws me over for losing weight, ironically, is that I don't eat regularly enough. I have one meal a day, which isn't good no matter WHAT it is that you're eating, but I can't help it: I feel like I'm going to throw up if I try to eat when I don't feel hungry.
If someone literally has no choice, cannot drop the weight and cannot look after themselves/ need medical help. Well, they deserve some help from the government. Especially so if it's not their fault, i.e: Bought on by medical issues, insanely bad genetics, etc. etc.
Not to say that everyone should live only one certain way, everyone is entitled to do whatever they want to their bodies, but it's when they complain about what they've done to themselves, i.e: Bloody cheeseburgers and not moving further than to their kitchen to get another snack, refuse to change and demand money for their own idiocy that makes me sick (moreso as I come from a home living off of disability benefits due to my father and it's already hard enough to get into the system even when you're genuinely deserving).
People like these are not disabled:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1162503/The-real-telly-tubbies-X-Factor-failures-83-stone-family-claim-simply-fat-work.html
People with thyroid issues brought on through inchangable genes, causing weight control to be near impossible, is.
Not to say that everyone should live only one certain way, everyone is entitled to do whatever they want to their bodies, but it's when they complain about what they've done to themselves, i.e: Bloody cheeseburgers and not moving further than to their kitchen to get another snack, refuse to change and demand money for their own idiocy that makes me sick (moreso as I come from a home living off of disability benefits due to my father and it's already hard enough to get into the system even when you're genuinely deserving).
People like these are not disabled:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1162503/The-real-telly-tubbies-X-Factor-failures-83-stone-family-claim-simply-fat-work.html
People with thyroid issues brought on through inchangable genes, causing weight control to be near impossible, is.
No, 95% of fat people are fat because they chose to be that way, they chose to not exercise and not eat healthy.
No, cause you can do something about it. Its as simple as that. In fact, and I wish I remember who said it, we should give them spots way in the back of parking lots or other places and make them work off that fat to get somewhere.
You can't work towards growing legs.
You can work towards losing weight, it's a hard fucking journey, but you can get there.
OP: No.
You can work towards losing weight, it's a hard fucking journey, but you can get there.
OP: No.
Nope and I think Ricky Gervais says my views pretty well
Now, I'm slightly overweight myself but me being a lazy fuck who likes to eat isn't a disability because I could go exercise if I wanted to but I don't.
Now, I'm slightly overweight myself but me being a lazy fuck who likes to eat isn't a disability because I could go exercise if I wanted to but I don't.
I see your point now. I thought you were saying therapy could cure cerebral palsy. Yeah, video games and therapy have given me as functional a arm as possible.Father Time said:
I said 95%. The disability is for that "glandular problem".Father Time said:
Barring defects in the body, even if one is susceptible to genetic problems, obesity can still be overcome, I come from a long line of fat bastards, but I run daily and lift to keep healthy
In short no.
In long you can loose weight if your fat you can't suddenly stand if your paralyzed. However money towards say a free gym membership, a gym where only other fat people are allowed (I think it would lessen the embaressment of going to the gym) and they are forced to go at least once a week i'd be okay with. Especially if I got to open a bakery next door.
In long you can loose weight if your fat you can't suddenly stand if your paralyzed. However money towards say a free gym membership, a gym where only other fat people are allowed (I think it would lessen the embaressment of going to the gym) and they are forced to go at least once a week i'd be okay with. Especially if I got to open a bakery next door.
No. If you're fat, the LAST thing you need is less exercise. This is common fucking sense.
For Christs Sake, no wonder my country is so goddamn fat is people are thinking about obesity this way. "Disablity".....for christ's.....I am trying so hard not to rant right now. And this is coming from someone who...Well, I'm not morbidly obese or anything, but I carry a little wieght. You know what I'm doing about it? I GO TO A FUCKING GYM!! TO LOOSE WEIGHT!!! BECAUSE I DON'T MIND DOING SOME FUCKING WORK IN MY LIFE!!! GOD FUCKING DAMN-OK, ok. I'm done. It's all good.
[small][small]fucking disability you have to shitting me...[/small][/small]
For Christs Sake, no wonder my country is so goddamn fat is people are thinking about obesity this way. "Disablity".....for christ's.....I am trying so hard not to rant right now. And this is coming from someone who...Well, I'm not morbidly obese or anything, but I carry a little wieght. You know what I'm doing about it? I GO TO A FUCKING GYM!! TO LOOSE WEIGHT!!! BECAUSE I DON'T MIND DOING SOME FUCKING WORK IN MY LIFE!!! GOD FUCKING DAMN-OK, ok. I'm done. It's all good.
[small][small]fucking disability you have to shitting me...[/small][/small]
More truthful words have not been spoken. I'm the same way.KefkaCultist said:
I'm rather overweight. I could very easily lose my gut, but I don't. I'm not disabled, I'm lazy and enjoy a bit too much food.
If they're one of those 800-4500 pound Hutts that keep appearing on the health and national geographic channels, I'd consider them disabled until the liposuction scars heal.
The genes identified are associated with appetite control and so can be overidden by the voluntary control of the brain. So you can have a predisposition to become obese but that is not the sole reason for obesity. There are only a very small proportion of people with medical conditions that result in weight gain eg. thyroid problems so this does not account for the percentage of people who are obese in the general population.Father Time said:
A cochlear implant is a surgical procedure that carries risks, so it is not just a simple matter of choosing whether or not you are able to hear.Father Time said:
Each case should be considered on an individual basis. No I don't think that people who are obese should be subject to the same benefits as people with diablities.
Yes, you are physically less able. There are ways of becoming thinner, but they aren't instantaneous, and the quicker you loose that weight, the unhealthier the method is
I treat people who don't respect this with the same contempt that I treat racists or homophobes
I treat people who don't respect this with the same contempt that I treat racists or homophobes
Well its true it is a disability, but so is not trying at school or not going to uni because it gives you a disadvantage in life...
So as I can see that if I was obese I'd like to people to work around me (literally and figuratively) but in reality the small-section-of-creation-that-we-occupy (the world) is unfair.. so no it shouldn't be a disability.
It'd be nice to get some doctor's perspectives on this matter..
So as I can see that if I was obese I'd like to people to work around me (literally and figuratively) but in reality the small-section-of-creation-that-we-occupy (the world) is unfair.. so no it shouldn't be a disability.
It'd be nice to get some doctor's perspectives on this matter..
Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
Do you have any idea what would happen to an obese person if they just said - fuck it - and jumped on a stair climber? You would have a very large dead person.
With that being said - Obese people shouldn't be on disability. 90% of the real fat people I know are fat because of lifestyle choices. They do not need to be enabled further.
whether or not the cause of obesity is primarily dependent on genetics (It's not) is not the point. The point isn't even whether or not they have a choice to be the size you are (some don't). The point is whether or not they need the special privileges that come with the status of being disabled.
I don't know exactly what benefits these guys are claiming they deserve, but i still say that obesity can and does make living more difficult and theres no reason to deny them benefits that they need. Although i would be in favor of regular tests to prove they still need the benefits.
I would like to make it a major point that it does NOT MATTER if they're fat because they're lazy, if their decisions could give them a better quality of life that they just aren't working for. Because it simply is not the point. In all seriousness, if you're worried that people will let them become obese just to get some handouts, well i doubt that the benefits are THAT good that someone would degrade the quality of their lives just to get them, and if they are? I seriously doubt that there will be very many people who would still do it, but they do exist, theres no doubt about that.
And this brings us back to the regular tests, that would at least deter yo-yoers from trying to gank benefits that they don't deserve. I really doubt that many people are capable of controlling their weight as well as a yo-yoer can.
I don't know exactly what benefits these guys are claiming they deserve, but i still say that obesity can and does make living more difficult and theres no reason to deny them benefits that they need. Although i would be in favor of regular tests to prove they still need the benefits.
I would like to make it a major point that it does NOT MATTER if they're fat because they're lazy, if their decisions could give them a better quality of life that they just aren't working for. Because it simply is not the point. In all seriousness, if you're worried that people will let them become obese just to get some handouts, well i doubt that the benefits are THAT good that someone would degrade the quality of their lives just to get them, and if they are? I seriously doubt that there will be very many people who would still do it, but they do exist, theres no doubt about that.
And this brings us back to the regular tests, that would at least deter yo-yoers from trying to gank benefits that they don't deserve. I really doubt that many people are capable of controlling their weight as well as a yo-yoer can.
You can't choose to be black, you can't choose to be homosexual, you can choose wether you want to eat that delicious chocolate cake and watch TV or go outside and eat some celery while you run.Verlander said:
Being obese is something you do to yourself, deformity is a disability, but how can you deform yourself? A disability is something someone has had for their whole life and has gotten used to. So no.