Poll: Should feminists be involved with anime mediums?

[Erttheking]

It does actually. Vault was paining this picture of how horrible it is to be a woman, and i simply responded by saying it isn't a whole lot better being a man.

She says saying rape in starcraft is unacceptable, as it's an act of war, i point out starcraft is a game about warfare. I don't see how this is a strawman. It's relating to the context of the phrase, and how war IS the context, as it's a game about war.

Or did she not say anything about starcraft?

Vault says objectification of women in games is unacceptable, i point out that men in games are far more objectified, and thus it is rather tactless to complain about their objectification while men are more objectified.

>"so that Video I saw on facebook of a man tricking a female security gaurd into touching his erect dick with a trick fanny pack-"

Is a fucking joke as a symbol of oppression. I'd touch all the dicks in the world if it would stop this new-age sexism.


>"and the sexism in GTA?"

Is a fucking joke when you consider how many more men die.

>"objectification?"

Is a fucking joke because not every single character can be fully realized when we don't live in a utopia where all games get infinate time and resources to flesh out every minor character. And towards women, is more of a joke since objectification of women characters is completely dwarfed by objectification of men characters in games.

>"the lack of female protagonists?"

There's a legitimate issue here, but i don't really have a solution.

Considering Kerrigan in Starcraft is a waif while all the men are big burly and in power armor, I'd be willing to put down hard money that they completely mess up the representation of rape. Then again apparently a good chunk of Heart of the Swarm is the main hero "dying" at the very start and the writers assuming we're stupid enough buy it, and sure enough he's still alive. I don't expect good writing from something that pulled that.

Yeah, there are plenty of objectified men in gaming but there are plenty of NON-objectified men to balance things out. How many non-objectified women are there? A whole lot less.

A joke? A joke? Sexual harassment is a joke to you? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!?

I keep seeing people pull the "men die in games a lot" card, like it somehow disproves every single criticism against the portrayl of women in gaming. First of all, if this bothers you so much, how come you're only bringing it up to shut Vault up? Second of all, yes men get killed a lot in video games...by other men. Who are not being objectified. So...we have it pretty good. Most video games have non-objectified men front and center. So yeah. This argument isn't convincing.

Women have it easy compared to mean? Oh please. Some games nowadays have one female character among an entire cast of men, if they're lucky. Don't pull that "women have it easy" card. The industry is run by men to carter to men. Don't act like we're the victims here, it's simply being dishonest. Then again after you said you consider sexual harassment is a joke, I have to question if you really appreciate the problems women have to go through.

 

[Erttheking]

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Yeah, are these actually happening in the thread? If not I fail to see the relevance.

 

[Teoes]

OT: Yes. Yes I think they should, because I believe in being inclusive and nice; not in being exclusive, elitist, insecure and irrational.

10/10 thread, would lol again. Can't wait for OPs next offering, should be a doozy. Shame he/she/it will probably not last long here what with the attitude on display.

 

[ZiggyE]

Given the recent and ridiculous hysteria over Cross Ange, I'm growing fairly certain that we'd be better off without the yellow journalism used to create hysteria that fuels the modern feminist movement.

 

[Rellik San]

If SJW's are complaining about Anime being sexist and want to change it... isn't that cultural appropriation and western imperialism impinging on an art form?

Man that must be a real doozy for them to figure out.

 

[Erttheking]

If SJW's are complaining about Anime being sexist and want to change it... isn't that cultural appropriation and western imperialism impinging on an art form?

Man that must be a real doozy for them to figure out.

No it isn't. Not at all. I mean Jesus, pull it back a bit. Complaining is complaining, pure and simple.

Also one of the most famous and well received anime directors of all time? Hayao Miyazaki? He's a feminist. So yeah. Japan isn't so alien from us that it can't understand the concept of feminism if he could become one.

I wish the internet could move pass treating criticism like it's some form of oppression. Just about everyone uses it.

 

[Rellik San]

If SJW's are complaining about Anime being sexist and want to change it... isn't that cultural appropriation and western imperialism impinging on an art form?

Man that must be a real doozy for them to figure out.

No it isn't. Not at all. I mean Jesus, pull it back a bit. Complaining is complaining, pure and simple.

Also one of the most famous and well received anime directors of all time? Hayao Miyazaki? He's a feminist. So yeah. Japan isn't so alien from us that it can't understand the concept of feminism if he could become one.

I wish the internet could move pass treating criticism like it's some form of oppression.

Well that was meant to be a jokey throw away comment...

So if trying to inject western (specifically American as is usually the case in these subjects) morality into a traditionally Japanese media form isn't cultural appropriation what is? I'm quite sure you're right Japan does understand the concept of feminism and right now if you read about it is applying it, but that doesn't mean American style ultra-aggressive feminism is how they go about it. (I'll note here, if ultra-aggressive feminism is what works for some countries, others it will just alienate people, there are many ways to approach a subject and you have to take in to account the audience you are working with).

So with that in mind, perhaps you'd care to explain to me: How is injecting US cultural politics into a foreign countries (that is having it's own culture politics reform I might add) traditional media not cultural appropriation?