Poll: Should smoking be made illegal?
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Well that's how the American medical system treats cancer.Maze1125 said:
I'll admit, I've never understood why we treat cancer with something that has the potential to cause cancer.
Well, they aren't exactly forcing them to smoke. But, second hand smoke exposure probably isn't good for anyone's health.Maze1125 said:
Reading through, I've realised that in Australia, we have a lot of laws that don't exist elsewhere.
There's some laws here [http://www.health.qld.gov.au/tobaccolaws/] regarding smoking in Queensland, one of the states of Australia, the one with the Mana Bar.
It's illegal to have a "smokers" area in a food service place.
It's illegal to smoke within (I think) 3 or 5 metres (like 10 - 20 feet) of entrances to airports, shopping centres, anywhere food or drinks are served, bus stops, train station entrances (It's also illegal inside all of these locations) etc.
It's pretty fucking awesome. There's very few places you can smoke in Australia exept your own car, house, the sidewalk away from entrances to buildings, or designated smoking areas.
There's some laws here [http://www.health.qld.gov.au/tobaccolaws/] regarding smoking in Queensland, one of the states of Australia, the one with the Mana Bar.
It's illegal to have a "smokers" area in a food service place.
It's illegal to smoke within (I think) 3 or 5 metres (like 10 - 20 feet) of entrances to airports, shopping centres, anywhere food or drinks are served, bus stops, train station entrances (It's also illegal inside all of these locations) etc.
It's pretty fucking awesome. There's very few places you can smoke in Australia exept your own car, house, the sidewalk away from entrances to buildings, or designated smoking areas.
People know the dangers of smoking, and should make thier own decision. However, they should not be able to smoke in, or near the entrances of public buildings, because then they are making the choice for others.
the mandolin scenario is good, but I like this one better- if a woman whips out a screaming baby, we're not really allowed to say anything at all, regardless of venue. We have to put up with it because society says babies are wonderful, or something. Even though we are just as annoyed as we would be with a crazy mandolin player. The moral superiority seems to be in the mother's favour, I guess.summerof2010 said:
Actually, nevermind. I'm thinking I'd be initially too surprised and fascinated by a crazy mandolin player to care what he's doing. What song is he failing at? Are we watching a movie in a theatre?
Obviously if you are a smoker you are going to say no, or otherwise say yes to some degree. Being a non-smoker myself I think smoking should be banned in public places. If you choose to kill yourself and generally stink up the area, that should be your problem, not mine. I don't want your filth and cancer thanks, ok, bye bye.
As a father, if a woman "whipped out" a screaming baby then I would be more likely to say something than I would to a bad mandolin player.the December King said:
Because, not only is baby noise more annoying, it shows she isn't looking after the child properly. Babies never cry for no reason.
Hang on, did that guy just say weed is worse for you than cigarettes? and then did he just say it causes cancer and people are just lying to their doctors? I'm actually baffled.Maze1125 said:
We know chemo is a horrible poisonous thing to go through but its the next best thing to an effective cure, and there's another drug you can take alongside it that can at least take away the side effects, and that's Marijuana (which as Benz correctly states has never killed a single person in recorded history; the lethal dose is equal to about 1/3 of your body weight... and if you manage to eat that much weed without falling asleep after the first bite then i'd be realy impressed).Maze1125 said:
Smoking is an enjoyable thing. I think people who smoke inside are gross, but if they want to do it whatever. Making it illegal? Have you guys ever watched Demolition Man? That kind of 1984 meets Mr. Rogers sort of future where everything thats bad for you is made illegal? I know it's a pretty dumb movie but the social context is something that we should look at.
A quick bottom line: You don't need to have either in your body. Unless you habitually go around licking smokestacks or eating rotten fruit and grain there is no need for either substance to enter your body. And of course everyone has such a strong will power that "Drinking [only] moderately is good for your health in fact" is entirely plausible, regardless of any personality or genetic predisposition. It's common knowledge that every smoker started as a chain smoker however.Jiraiya72 said:
Either way it's toxins in your body that don't need to be there, and if you can't see the validity in someone choosing to smoke, you're a hypocrite to support drinking as a "healthier" alternative.
On a personal note, while I do understand the risks involved in smoking, I prefer a moderate stimulant to altered judgment, lowered metabolism and hangovers.
Does smoking need to be banned/made illegal? No, people do stupid crap all the time and don't get arrested for it. However, if that stupid crap endangers others, THAT should be controlled. Which is why I'm so proud of Ontario being smoke-free in public places for so long (b'.')b
Haha, man I love that movie whilst finding it incredibly creepy at the same time. Only 'cos I've realised things will probably end up that wayBrionJames said:
Ah, the religious non-smoker. I used to preach at that particular alter, now sadly I am a sinner.
Smoking is not a crime, if we lose the freedom to do to our bodies what we wish we essentially become property of whoever is telling us what is healthy. Enjoying a cigarette now and then is not morally wrong, it relaxes you and the five minutes you take to smoke it clarifies the mind. People need vices, if you drink alcohol or coffee you're in no position to judge smokers because its all drug abuse one way or the other as you're still using the drug to alter your state of mind.
Heath wise - Too much of anything is bad for you and everything you put into your body these days will make you die a slow painful death sooner or later so choose your poison...
Smoking is not a crime, if we lose the freedom to do to our bodies what we wish we essentially become property of whoever is telling us what is healthy. Enjoying a cigarette now and then is not morally wrong, it relaxes you and the five minutes you take to smoke it clarifies the mind. People need vices, if you drink alcohol or coffee you're in no position to judge smokers because its all drug abuse one way or the other as you're still using the drug to alter your state of mind.
Heath wise - Too much of anything is bad for you and everything you put into your body these days will make you die a slow painful death sooner or later so choose your poison...
Is that a priviledge a father gains for being a father? And you wouldn't necessarily tell her to leave, would you?Maze1125 said:
Oh! I see what you mean about the baby analogy, yeah, babies cry for a reason, my bad. But what if it was a toddler instead, and was just being inconsolable or spoiled?
It's not the same formula, I know, because let's face it, both a mandolin player and a mother with a screaming child aren't REALLY hurting anyone to an appreciable state.
Well, as you say, the child might be in distress, I suppose.
Maybe it hasn't been recorded, but I can guarantee it has killed.theprokrastinator said:
A common way of consuming marijuana is through smoking it.
All smoke is carcinogenic.
As such, I can guarantee that there is at least one person who had gotten cancer and died as a direct result of smoking marijuana.
Do you know the required lethal dose of tobacco? I don't. But I'm guessing it's quite similar to your statistic for marijuana. Because it's not the tobacco that kills you, but the act of smoking it.
Honestly, I feel like Alcohol should be made illegal over tobacco or marijuana . Ya, I know the U.S. tried that at one point, but due to corrupt politics, poor police work and the rise of organized crime, it ended up failing. But given the statistics on how much harm drinking does, it just seems like something of this nature shouldn't be legal. Especially now, with drunk driving being a major problem.