Poll: Skill or Gearscore?

[NoblePhilistineFox]

I know for a FACT this has been done before,even without lookin it up.
so dont you "DHUR DHUR, DIS GUY DONE IT AFORE U" me

simple question turned into a heated debate between nerds, how do you judge a player?
having never played WoW, Ive seen my friend take on alot of dungeons with people who he sais have stupid gear, but high gearscore.
and he sais that somehow makes them better(all the while swearing like a trucker to how stupid they are playing)

also, in monster hunter(because this somewhat applies) someone told me that this monster(alterion) would 1hko me because of my aromor, so I should pick a weapon like the lance where armour doesnt apply.
I picked the sword and shield, then took off all of my charms,buffs,and other stuff because I wanted this thing to 1hko me and make the game a little more fun.
about five minutes into the battle,it still hadent killed me,
and in the end, I died because I didnt have any potions or cool water, so the environment killed me by slowly whittling away my health(that the alterion had done next to no damage to.).
then I went AFK and got hit with an icicle the second time I died.

so, how do you judge a player?

 

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In WoW I very much prefer skill, I get slightly pissed when people ***** about gearscore, I have seen many people do better with a lower gs than people of the same spec. Also I don't have the gs addon so yea .. when its a reccomendation for a raid it's somewhat frustrating having to run to find the leader to get a confirmation of your gear.

Slightly off topic but WoW achievements have also become annoying, many raid leaders demand that one has the achievement for the raid ... so if you don't, you don't get in and this keeps happening because you can't get into a group for the raid to get the achievement because you need the achievement to join ...

 

[Ganthrinor]

Noobscore means nothing. Skill means... well... not as much as it could, since WoW has been dumbed down to the point of total and complete mediocrity.

 

[Sebenko]

"woo, I have points!"
Yeah, they're gonna save your ass, corpse.
Score is nothing. Kill count is everything.

Or the notoriety of your evil corporation.

What?

Doesn't everyone wish they were the CEO of evilcorp, with their own banner and army of doom?

Well, that's me looking pretty silly.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Here's my solution to the whole WOW thing, having seen the damage GS has done to the game.

Once you've completed an instance or raid, a survey style page pops up, with two sliders for each character.

One for skill and one for 'character' - how they acted, politeness, attitude, etc. If you choose not to rate them at all, either because you don't care or didn't really notice them, you can just close all or close a character.

Over time however, good players would get a better rating, and talented, attentive players skill rating would improve, while rude, angry, annoying players would get rated down, even if they have the most epic armour and are actually good at the game, as I'd generally turn down a 10 skill player with 1 in character.

Of course it could be abused if people really tried to group up and downrate a decent guy, but I'm sure it could be implemented.

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

Before i stopped playing WoW i was really getting pissed off with the idiots demanding gearscore and achievements to go in a PuG raid (even for something as faceroll as VoA or Naxx) alot of guilds started asking people for their Gearscore to join etc. Any guild/player who uses gearscore to determine how good a player is is a fail guild or crap player sure gearscore helps as it shows the player has decent gear but good gear is useless if that player doesn't know how to play their class well.

People demanding the achievements to get into raids are also idiots and shouln't be raid leading just because having the achievement proves you have done the raid doesn't mean the people that don't have the achievements don't know the tatics. The reason most people don't have the achievement for a raid in the first place is because dumbass raid leaders won't let them in the raid without the achievement...how the fuck are people supposed to show that they know what they are doing and don't need an achievement to do a raid if idiots keep saying "oh you don't have the achievement you can't come"

 

[Rednog]

Here's my solution to the whole WOW thing, having seen the damage GS has done to the game.

Once you've completed an instance or raid, a survey style page pops up, with two sliders for each character.

One for skill and one for 'character' - how they acted, politeness, attitude, etc. If you choose not to rate them at all, either because you don't care or didn't really notice them, you can just close all or close a character.

Over time however, good players would get a better rating, and talented, attentive players skill rating would improve, while rude, angry, annoying players would get rated down, even if they have the most epic armour and are actually good at the game, as I'd generally turn down a 10 skill player with 1 in character.

Of course it could be abused if people really tried to group up and downrate a decent guy, but I'm sure it could be implemented.

All good in theory but you know that a majority wouldn't even bother and then there would be a sizeable chunk that are douche bags and vote negative because they want to hurt your score. And a good chunk of people would vote down newer players who enter a heroic with blues/greens just because their dps/heals/etc are so poor. I honestly don't think you can trust the general wow pop, hell I've been chaining heroics for the past 2 days since I hit 80 on my mage, at least half of the gear from the final boss gets ninja'd, half the group just teleports out as soon as the boss in done and then there is the guy who smashes need on everything, even though his gear is far superior and leaves group instantly.

 

[Swarley]

Skill is nice and dandy when that boss reaches it's enrage timer because the people lack gear.

 

[Ganthrinor]

Skill is nice and dandy when that boss reaches it's enrage timer because the people lack gear.

Gear is nice and dandy until you notice that Ret paladin is wearing half healing gear, or the Healing priest is in shadow gear both jusr because one piece had a higher GS than another that would actually be better suited to the task at hand, or you wipe on trash because the group is full of drooling cockslots.


People requiring a certain GS for PuG raids are just wanna-be elitists that can't handle starting thier own guild to kill things. Not that it matters, the game is so easy these days you have to be half-inbred to fail at raids now. I much prefered the pre-BC raids.

 

[7moreDead_v1legacy]

You need 5.6k gs to join this discussion.

A phrase all the gear and no idea comes to mind everytime I hear some tard of the argh kind prattle on about people not having the correct gs for WC or some kind of meh.

I've joined a vanilla guild, my chars over 60 are being left to rot

Take a few years off and you come back to something that is a cuntfest of GS and charity epics.

Not that it matters, the game is so easy these days you have to be half-inbred to fail at raids now. I much prefered the pre-BC raids.

 

[Azure Sky]

Skill is nice and dandy when that boss reaches it's enrage timer because the people lack gear.

Gear is nice and dandy until you notice that Ret paladin is wearing half healing gear, or the Healing priest is in shadow gear both jusr because one piece had a higher GS than another that would actually be better suited to the task at hand, or you wipe on trash because the group is full of drooling cockslots.

It's a tricky balance. People requiring a certain GS for PuG raids are just wanna-be elitists that can't handle starting thier own guild to kill things. Not that it matters, the game is so easy these days you have to be half-inbred to fail at raids now. I much prefered the pre-BC raids.

Don't forget PvP gear, cheap, easy to get, and blows chunks for doing anything.

There is a reason I refuse to raid.

I take skill every time.
Why should I listen to excuses for why a Ret Pally is doing barely 1.5k DPS at lv80, in heroics (For the sake of argument, he had about 4.5k GS)
When I can pull 1.5k-4k on my own Ret pally... Thats level 72!!!
(Yes, it's my favorite class. Yes, I am anal about it. >.<)

 

[Johnnyallstar]

I haven't played WoW in a year and a half, and I had been thinking about going back to it out of sheer boredom, but when I heard about this, it reminded me of all the little crap that I didn't want to deal with.

When I quit, my main an endgame Tankadin/Healadin who had a pretty respectable Ret setup too, but even though I had awesome gear, people I played with loved the fact of just how good I was, regardless of my gear. And if I was running an instance, I mostly ran with people I knew who didn't have the best gear, but were very good because they knew how to play.

I also had a rogue that barely had all epics, and they were low quality epics, not high end raid gear, but good enough for what I did with him. I would sometimes raid with people who weren't my guildies, and even though I had crap gear, my talent setup was good, and I knew the rotations, and would consistently be in the top 3 of DPS because I knew how to play, though I would be stomped by the couple dudes who had phenomenal gear and knew how to play.

Gear is nice, but skill makes up for gear in ways that gear can't make up for skill.

 

[Kagim]

Well, Blizzard is doing its best to murder Gearscore with a broken bottle in Cataclysm by doing there best to make sure no single piece of gear is the best, and that lesser gear can be altered to give you more useful gear.

Gearscore obviously is not as important as skill. However when your pugging who are you going to bring to ICC. The guy decked out with 3000GS or the 1900gs. The 3000GS guy might be just barely intelligent enough to wipe his ass without making a mess, however even if he is an idiot he is going to do more damage then the 1900GS DPS.

When it comes to tanks and Heals GS is a tad more important then skill at times. No matter how much skill a healer has it means nothing if there mana bottoms out because the gear they have on isn't regenerating it fast enough, or he can't heal enough damage to keep up.

With a tank GS is important because if they don't even have 25k hp buffed they are not going to last in things like ICC 5 Heroics.

Now, to cut hairs like some people do "Your gear score is 2680! You need 2700 to do this!" is stupid. As in most cases a throw away piece of PvP gear fills the 20GS whole while lowering your actual stats. One of my friends would do that, equip his PvP item to give a fake GS then switch back to his good healing gear.

In a guild this shouldn't happen. Unless you GS is 700-1000 less then what the raid calls for your in a pretty crappy guild. If you have no guild and your pugging expect a lot of brick walls as Heroic badges don't get you to what most people want. Pugging someone is a gamble, Is better to gamble on the guy with the gear from the raid your doing then the guy who hasn't even stepped foot into it.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Also, a badly geared player can be 'covered' for by a better geared player, but if you had a badly skilled player, or one who just doesn't care, then 24 great players can still be wiped from him being a tool.

Is always fun to follow ads in trade with something like:

LFM Deadmines, no more druids/rogues/DKs, 15+, must have 200+ GS and ach, bring yourself to Org Bank for inspection and interview.

Before GS, however, there was 'achievements' proving something..or nothing.

That was possibly as bad, as you flatly couldn't do anything out of guild, unless you'd done it, as everyone had this phobia that no-one could possibly handle following basic instructions like 'stop dps during lightning' or 'dont stand in the fire'.

 

[Azure Sky]

Gear is nice, but skill makes up for gear in ways that gear can't make up for skill.

This this this this this!!!!!

I so wish people would get this through their thick heads..

 

[Dedtoo]

Coming from a guy with about 100 gearscore at lvl 40... Skillz man!

 

[SenseOfTumour]

I ought to share, than I had a thoroughly satisfying moment realising we'd need to PUG a few slots for a guild ZA run, so I dropped this ad into trade:

'LFM for ZA - must not have achievement, must have less than 5k GS, prefer under 80s.'