Poll: So have you sent EA the email yet?
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Yes, and movies CAN be more too. That doesn't stop millions of dollars being made on Transformers.
Could the whole "Your mom's going to hate it" thing have been done better? Probably. But it got the point across. "This game has the stuff you want in shooting games."
Could the whole "Your mom's going to hate it" thing have been done better? Probably. But it got the point across. "This game has the stuff you want in shooting games."
This, more or less. The show seems to really blow things out of proportion, and this week's episode was no exception. I mean, all power to them and all for stating what's on their mind, unless they can provide more evidence as to EA's marketing being "bad for the industry" rather than just their assessment of it. So, OP, no, I haven't sent an email, and I don't plan on it, either. There are better things to do with my time than bother an insanely large corporation with the opinions of the three people who make Extra Credits.Aris Khandr said:
Spread the word about what? The fact EA are making trailers for the demographics their games appeal to and people are buying the games? What exactly is there to spread?emion said:
As stated sending e-mail [hopefully] won't do anything, it' about consumer awareness - not company awareness - EA wouldn't continue to produce these adverts if the general public didn't care for them; they clearly do, so they'll happily continue. I see nothing wrong with that.
Guys. This isn't what we need to do. We don't need to attack the EA e-mail account, just because of the way they campaign their games. If we don't like how a game is campaigned, or how it's being sold, or certain aspects of it (jiggle physics, the whole "Sin to Win" contest) we don't buy it. We shouldn't buy games just because they're controversial. We need to buy games because we like them. Although, ad campaigns like the "Your mom hates this" was a thinly veiled attempt at marketing to teenagers, and younger kids. Now I read through the comments so far, and it almost seems like some people are trying to force what they think onto us. That's not helping, either. We shouldn't be arguing. We need to figure out how to solve the problem. But solving the problem does not mean sending angry letters to EA. That just shows they're winning, because we're acknowledging some aspect of their games. It shows you CARE. If you want to teach EA that what they're doing isn't right, don't buy the games, don't send them angry letters, don't do ANYTHING. The only way we can teach EA, is by hurting their pockets. This doesn't mean having to give up on all of their games. If you want the game, buy it, by all means. But if you want to buy this game, because of the controversy surrounding it, then that's a problem.
>.< probably formulated it wrong but I REALLY don't want to have an "argument" over some stupid games. Im not like 14 or something O.-D_987 said:
so good luck responding to every post wanting to send EA a mail. see you already good on your way -.-; bye . . .
You're on a gaming discussion forum but refuse to hold a discussion about gaming, yet you attempt to influence the end result of the discussion. Nice start.emion said:
First of all I find that difficult to beleive based on your previous statements. Secondarily you posted links to a bunch of EA's E-mail addresses - how is that considered in any way mature? It's pretty clear you haven't attempted to evaluate the situation in a logical manner.
I have no idea what you're trying to say with this sentence.
Nope - I've never really had a problem with their marketing. I don't watch TV, so I don't encounter it there, and boarders like The Escapist has I can easily avoid by resizing my browser window.
If a game's developers feel a game needs to have such crazy marketing that's usually a turns me off to the game, and me not buying the game speaks louder than any knee-jerk email could.
If a game's developers feel a game needs to have such crazy marketing that's usually a turns me off to the game, and me not buying the game speaks louder than any knee-jerk email could.
Fuck it. It's not that big a deal, yes it was a shit advertising campaign but noones gonna remember it in the long run anyway, besides think of it as a minigame the "how bad can EA fuck up their next marketing campaign game!"
I like Extra Credits and the whole "games can be art" arguement in general but can they stop acting like it's going to destroy gaming 4EVAR! Cuz y'know, its not
I like Extra Credits and the whole "games can be art" arguement in general but can they stop acting like it's going to destroy gaming 4EVAR! Cuz y'know, its not
Warning the following contains typos spelling errors and a chain of thought that went of on one, for that im sorry
The buying a game for its merits not its media hellfire [badword]storm of media hate, is what i hope most people do, even with games that generate hellstorms, Mass Effect 1 and 2 drummed up its media frenzy with its "porn sim" and "lesbianism", dispite its not lesbian because there are no female Asari...... i wont bring that chestnut up again. ME was a good, hell a fantastic game, well written, like anything Bioware make is going to be poorly written?, set in space in the way Star Trek is not Halo is, the gameplay was.. good not fantastic but good, combat was good with 3 well 4 different attack methods, Shooting the baddies which you WILL do, using jed.. Biotic powers to throw them at the roof, wall, anything liara decided was in the range of singularity, and tech based attacks, making the guns/ shields overload ect. AI good could have been better. it reminded me of the first KOTOR with a similar if reversed ending. this same hate came up about Dragon Age, and that went one step further with homosexuality.
so in 3 soon to be 4 games Bioware has included sex both Hetro and Homosexual and Xenophillic (proboaly not the correct spelling, maby not a real word med sue me) and while justifiable in the narrative of the games, you get the impression its for the press.
as we all know no press is bad press. right?
The buying a game for its merits not its media hellfire [badword]storm of media hate, is what i hope most people do, even with games that generate hellstorms, Mass Effect 1 and 2 drummed up its media frenzy with its "porn sim" and "lesbianism", dispite its not lesbian because there are no female Asari...... i wont bring that chestnut up again. ME was a good, hell a fantastic game, well written, like anything Bioware make is going to be poorly written?, set in space in the way Star Trek is not Halo is, the gameplay was.. good not fantastic but good, combat was good with 3 well 4 different attack methods, Shooting the baddies which you WILL do, using jed.. Biotic powers to throw them at the roof, wall, anything liara decided was in the range of singularity, and tech based attacks, making the guns/ shields overload ect. AI good could have been better. it reminded me of the first KOTOR with a similar if reversed ending. this same hate came up about Dragon Age, and that went one step further with homosexuality.
so in 3 soon to be 4 games Bioware has included sex both Hetro and Homosexual and Xenophillic (proboaly not the correct spelling, maby not a real word med sue me) and while justifiable in the narrative of the games, you get the impression its for the press.
as we all know no press is bad press. right?
nope it,ll probaly be deleted in no-time, the only way too make the message clear is too boycott EA
This is an example of "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." The negative forces are far more vocal and conspicuous than the positive ones, and EA's 'Your mom will hate it' ad was exhibit A of that passionate intensity.
Do you like the common perception that the average gamer is an immature adolescent manchild? If you do, then sure, there is absolutely nothing wrong with how EA market their games, since that is the perception of gamers that they are putting out there.Aris Khandr said:
I see what you're saying, but you're missing the point. The point isn't whether or not the ads are helping EA make money. The point is that, whether this helps their sales or not, they're being stupid.D_987 said:
We're associated with the products that we buy. If you saw me buying a giant vibrator, whether or not you know if I'm buying it for myself or as a gift or whatever, you would make certain assumptions about my character. This is because you already know what giant vibrators are and what they're used for.
Now, assume you saw me buying a game like Dante's Inferno, after seeing some of the advertising that EA put out for it. Let's say you saw the "Sin to Win" promotion, or a news article about the "Bad Nanny" achievement. If you're a gamer you say "Oh, he's going to buy Dante's Inferno. I wonder if that game's any good? Maybe I'll check out a review on IGN or The Escapist."
But if you're a non-gamer, like--oh, I don't know--my boss, you might say "Oh, Johnson is buying Dante's Inferno, the game where you kill babies. I wonder what other kinds of fucked-up shit that guy is into? I hope I can find an excuse to downsize him before he goes on an office shooting rampage."
These are, of course, misconceptions about video games, the kinds of people who play them, and why they enjoy them, but it doesn't matter in this context because my boss has no reason to try to look past the bullshit. All he knows is what he hears on the news (God help me if he watches Fox News; then he probably thinks I'm a closet rapist as well), what he sees when he walks past the EB Games in the mall, and what he sees in television, magazine, and internet advertisements.
The problem with EA advertising games this way is that they're perpetuating these negative stereotypes. Most people who are non-gamers will never learn anything Dante's Inferno or Dead Space 2 other than what they see in ads.
The other issue is that the ads are just stupid. The "Your mom hates Dead Space 2" ad is clearly targeted at young boys between the ages of 13 to 17. You know, the only demographic who might be interested in Dead Space 2 AND still cares what their mom thinks of them.
Problem is, DEAD SPACE 2 IS AN M-RATED GAME! How the FUCK is that ad supposed to appeal to their target demographic? Or, if they were planning on marketing this game to young men ages 13 to 17 in the first place, why did they design it so that their target demographic can't legally buy the game for themselves? Either way, EA is clearly doing it wrong.
I own the original Dead Space (I'm in my mid-20's, BTW). I haven't played it yet, but I get the idea: Action/Horror in a sci-fi setting. Great. I liked Resident Evil and Doom 3, this might be fun. When I heard there would be a sequel, I thought "Well, the last one got pretty positive reviews, so this will probably just be more of the same. If I enjoy the first one, I might get this one too."
When I saw the "Your mom hates this" ads for Dead Space 2, I felt genuinely mortified. I thought, "So EA thinks that A) I still care what my mom thinks about my hobbies, and B) I'm GLAD that she hates what I do with my spare time." How am I supposed to be anything but insulted when I hear that?
Yes, EA does get a lot of press for doing advertising this way. They get a lot of BAD press. You know that saying "There's no such thing as bad press?" Bullshit! When I hear that you're insulting me to my face and telling everyone that I like it and am going to ask for more, and you're a multinational corporation, you look like an asshole, I look like a *****, and I can't say otherwise because you have so much more clout than I do.
People think that marketing departments at international corporations have a pretty good idea about what their customers want, and how to present their product to their target demographic. If EA's marketing department is doing it right, then apparently we're all a bunch of near-psychotic teenage boys who have wet dreams about committing acts of violence, having reckless sex, and flipping off our parents.
Since you're taking their side in this debate, I can come to no other conclusion than that you, D_987, are exactly that.
Are you?
If you're not, then you can agree with me that there are ways to advertise games that don't put gamers in such a bad light, and still help the game do well.
For contrast, let's take a look at some game advertising that doesn't make gamers look like a bunch of spastic little shitheads.
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Good thing they didn't advertise Halo 3 like this! It probably wouldn't have sold very well at all! You remember, the real ad had Master Chief shoving his assault rifle up a brute's ass and pulling the trigger, and using a plasma grenade to blow up a covenant orphanage. That was a lot better.
P.S.: This is what my actual reply to your message looked like.
Compare that to what it looks like above. Next time, D_987, make sure you don't accidentally butcher other people's posts when you reply to them.
Enlighten us... what is the correct way?D_987 said:
Besides, its not so much the marketing aspect of the EC vid I want them to see.. more the part about them selling out their values.
I'm sorry but I think this is just naive, how many people do you seriously think will boycott a AAA game title just because of some nebulous qualms that some gamers have that most people, and certainly not any kids, will give a second though to.keelzbunny said:
In your wildest dreams you couldn't hope to get 1000 gamers to not buy this game if they were going to otherwise, and that sort of figure wouldn't even be noticed by EA.
So basically what you're saying is that the best way to communicate with EA is to not try and communicate with then in anyway whatsoever... With that calibre of thinking perhaps you ought to work for EA marketing.