Poll: Suicide Squad Currently Doing Reshoots to Make it More Fun

[TravelerSF]

I really don't like WB's grimdark approach to DC. You just can't build an entire series, at least not a superhero series, to complete darkness. They need to have levity, moments of light and humanity so that the dark moments have something to work with. People say DC is trying to differentiate itself from Marvel, but Marvel isn't doing 100% funny stuff either. Their movies have drama, tension and sadness in them, because even they know that going entirely to one end of the spectrum isn't going to work. Anybody remember the beginning of Guardians of The Galaxy? Yeah, and that was their funniest movie to date.

That said, if there was ONE movie that I thought could work with this grimdark approach, it was Suicide Squad. This is a group of psycho criminals, under secret government contract killing other criminals. That could work, that COULD be a tragedy, that could go all the way to that direction and be really effective. There'd still have to be SOME lighter moments, but overall I think a dark tone could've produced something new, unique and effective. Now it seems they're backing up, trying to move the movie closer to the "center", an effort which I'm afraid will produce something average at best, and disjointed at worst.

 

[IOwnTheSpire]

I really don't like WB's grimdark approach to DC. You just can't build an entire series, at least not a superhero series, to complete darkness. They need to have levity, moments of light and humanity so that the dark moments have something to work with. People say DC is trying to differentiate itself from Marvel, but Marvel isn't doing 100% funny stuff either. Their movies have drama, tension and sadness in them, because even they know that going entirely to one end of the spectrum isn't going to work. Anybody remember the beginning of Guardians of The Galaxy? Yeah, and that was their funniest movie to date.

That said, if there was ONE movie that I thought could work with this grimdark approach, it was Suicide Squad. This is a group of psycho criminals, under secret government contract killing other criminals. That could work, that COULD be a tragedy, that could go all the way to that direction and be really effective. There'd still have to be SOME lighter moments, but overall I think a dark tone could've produced something new, unique and effective. Now it seems they're backing up, trying to move the movie closer to the "center", an effort which I'm afraid will produce something average at best, and disjointed at worst.

I think you're confusing grimdark with serious. Or is it the other way round? I think you know what I mean.

 

[PainInTheAssInternet]

The grimdark and serious nature of so many movies lately is the reason I liked Zootopia so much, so this looks like an improvement to me. Then again, I may not end up seeing it anyways.

 

[DementedSheep]

I don't believe a last minute tonal shift is going to do anything but muddle the movie

I agree with that.

They are probably just trying to catch onto Deadpools coattails. I didn't have high expectations of SS in the first place and I'm not planning on seeing it so I don't really care

I thought they were trying to catch GOTG's coattails?

Perhaps initially it was suppose to be that but it sounds like they made it serious even though GOTG is not. If they are suddenly doing reshoots to comedy it up now it's probably a reaction to Deadpool.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The grimdark and serious nature of so many movies lately is the reason I liked Zootopia so much, so this looks like an improvement to me. Then again, I may not end up seeing it anyways.

???

I never noticed this "Grimdarkness" of many movies lately beyond DC movies?

Is Deadpool Grimdark?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

You know how much is everyone willing to bet that most of the jokes and humor is going to come from the 2 literal clowns them being Joker and Harley Quinn?

I personally don't understand casting Will Smith in a stone cold serious role. One of the most charming dudes in Hollywood and you want to repeat After Earth?

I also realize something else.

What if WB are doing this so they can sell the original footage of the movie as another R Rated Extended Director's Cut like Batman v Superman?

I'm like is Warner Bros. trying to carve a niche in Home Media sales or something?

 

[mduncan50]

What if WB are doing this so they can sell the original footage of the movie as another R Rated Extended Director's Cut like Batman v Superman?

I'm like is Warner Bros. trying to carve a niche in Home Media sales or something?

I actually thought they were going for the R rating for theatrical, otherwise it would seem like a pretty toothless villain based movie.

If that's not what they did originally and ended up taking the movie way too seriously and presented it more as a straight laced affair, then they did the movie wrong and it kind of behooves them, having realized their mistake, to go back and try to get it right before it's too late.

As someone that wasn't expecting it to be a funny movie, because a) it's DC, and b) the production design that I've seen so far looks like BvS, my concern would be that you end up with essentially two movies. Half the time it is super gritty and serious, with its perpetual darkness, serious characters and desaturated color palette and costumes (though weirdly sexualized females). And the other half will be slapstick and quips (and still weirdly sexualized women). If this was something occurring before filming, or even early in the shooting schedule I wouldn't be too concerned, but after principal filming has wrapped? I just can't see it working.

 

[Cicada 5]

I really don't like WB's grimdark approach to DC. You just can't build an entire series, at least not a superhero series, to complete darkness. They need to have levity, moments of light and humanity so that the dark moments have something to work with. People say DC is trying to differentiate itself from Marvel, but Marvel isn't doing 100% funny stuff either. Their movies have drama, tension and sadness in them, because even they know that going entirely to one end of the spectrum isn't going to work. Anybody remember the beginning of Guardians of The Galaxy? Yeah, and that was their funniest movie to date.

That said, if there was ONE movie that I thought could work with this grimdark approach, it was Suicide Squad. This is a group of psycho criminals, under secret government contract killing other criminals. That could work, that COULD be a tragedy, that could go all the way to that direction and be really effective. There'd still have to be SOME lighter moments, but overall I think a dark tone could've produced something new, unique and effective. Now it seems they're backing up, trying to move the movie closer to the "center", an effort which I'm afraid will produce something average at best, and disjointed at worst.

I think you're confusing grimdark with serious. Or is it the other way round? I think you know what I mean.

This. The DCEU movies aren't grimdark. They're just more serious than your average saturday morning cartoon.

 

[Evonisia]

Make it match the tone of the trailer and it will be fine.

Either way, WB/DC aren't exactly having the best of times making these things. Fox and Marvel are doing their own things, I don't know what the hell these guys are doing.

 

[mduncan50]

Grimdark: a subgenre or a way to describe the tone, style or setting of speculative fiction (especially fantasy) that is, depending on the definition used, markedly dystopian or amoral, or particularly violent or realistic.

I honestly don't understand how anyone cannot apply this definition to Batman v Superman. And no, I don't buy that they are just "serious", they are making a huge display of just how "serious" and "adult" and "not a comic book" it is that it really comes off looking like a kid emulating what it believes being an adult is.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Grimdark: a subgenre or a way to describe the tone, style or setting of speculative fiction (especially fantasy) that is, depending on the definition used, markedly dystopian or amoral, or particularly violent or realistic.

I honestly don't understand how anyone cannot apply this definition to Batman v Superman. And no, I don't buy that they are just "serious", they are making a huge display of just how "serious" and "adult" and "not a comic book" it is that it really comes off looking like a kid emulating what it believes being an adult is.

Comic Books themselves have been emulating this Grimdark tone in recent years I mean look at these images from Marvel Comic Books:

 

[mduncan50]

Comic Books themselves have been emulating this Grimdark tone in recent years I mean look at these images from Marvel Comic Books:

Oh I know, that stuff started back in the 90s. And I want to be clear, I have not problem with grimdark. It can be a great tone to use for some stories, without a doubt. However, when it is the only tone DC was willing to use in their movies (obviously they seem to be learning better) it becomes painful, and especially when being used for Superman. Even the Death of Superman arc didn't do this, and that's about as dark as Supes gets in the Earth 1 DCU.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

For a time I wondered how they would shoe-horn in a dozen origin stories in to one movie, then it hit me; They will just do what Guardians did to introduce everyone.

Honestly, my hopes for this movie are/were about as low as they were for Batman vs Superman. I am not anticipating good things. But since Snyder isn't directing, at least we will be able to make out colours in this movie. So there's that to look forward to.

 

[mduncan50]

I really hope by reshoot to make it more fun they don't mean "we're gonna reshoot it to make the humor so blatant and forced it makes Adam Sandler's films look like a work of comic genius.". I'm really worried they're going to think audiences won't understand the idea of dark or black humour in the film and just make it slapstick and stupid rather than funny in a clever way.

I think the main disconnect is that the writer/director made a certain movie and the guy that cut the trailer was an obvious fan of the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer and so used that for inspiration, taking (apparently literally) all of the jokes from the movie and adding a classic rock/pop sound track. Then when the response to the trailer was so positive, the filmmakers were stuck with "But that's not the movie we made." and so are now trying to make the movie closer to that. I'm not willing to guarantee that DC wont take things to Sandler level, because their decision making process baffles me, but my assumption is they are just trying to get tonally closer to the trailer.

 

[Sixcess]

I think WB should fire every single person involved in defining the direction of the entire DC cinematic universe project, take whatever plans they have for that project and burn them, and put the entire thing on ice for half a decade or so.

I'm not kidding.

Ever since that second BvS trailer came out - you know, THAT one - I've been convinced that everyone involved in this is either stupid, lazy or incompetent, and possibly all three. The fact that the trailer was released - that noone looked at it and said "Hey guys, this trailer basically spoils the entire fucking movie, let's not do that" - speaks of a terrible lack of something in WB.

Suck it up, WB. Marvel won this one. Marvel won this one several years ago, back when you were still fucking up your first two attempts to copy them. Just let it go and come back when you find someone with one original fucking idea in their head.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Grimdark: a subgenre or a way to describe the tone, style or setting of speculative fiction (especially fantasy) that is, depending on the definition used, markedly dystopian or amoral, or particularly violent or realistic.

I honestly don't understand how anyone cannot apply this definition to Batman v Superman. And no, I don't buy that they are just "serious", they are making a huge display of just how "serious" and "adult" and "not a comic book" it is that it really comes off looking like a kid emulating what it believes being an adult is.

Comic Books themselves have been emulating this Grimdark tone in recent years I mean look at these images from Marvel Comic Books:

I don't think those pictures are relatively recent.

I read maybe 3/4 of all the comics that Marvel puts out weekly, and even comics like Wolverine are pretty tame. As for DC, well, I only check out Batman stuff, so I can't say much about that.

 

[mduncan50]

Suck it up, WB. Marvel won this one. Marvel won this one several years ago, back when you were still fucking up your first two attempts to copy them. Just let it go and come back when you find someone with one original fucking idea in their head.

I think this kind of attitude is actually what is killing DC right now. There is literally no contest to "win". Marvel and DC (and Fox) have been pretty good about staying out of each other's way on the release schedule with the exception of when DC tried to book BvS on the same weekend as Captain America 3 (but full credit to DC for backing off, and I'm sure they are extremely thankful now that they did) so really each superhero can and should be able to stand on its own two feet. Yes, Marvel has a certain level of trust gained from consistently making good movies, but a large number of people would still name Dark Knight as their favorite superhero film, and every film DC releases has that same potential. However right now DC seems so focused on "winning" and beating Marvel at their own game that they're forgetting to just make good movies.