Poll: Suicide

[Rascarin]

My mother tried to kill herself with an overdose late last year.

So no, I don't mock suicide.

 

[holy_secret]

Some people commit suicide for completely justifiable reasons, other people kill themselves because they're too cowardly to work out their problems the hard way.

As with any group of people, there are extemes on both sides.

No reason is justifiable enough for suicide to be okay.

What if your family and friends all died in a massive fire which destroyed everything you owned. You were also paralysed in the fire.

You have LITERALLY nothing left. Are you telling me if your lost EVERYTHING all at once you would not kill yourself?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/538.266196-The-end-of-the-road

Please read the OP.
I am still alive. Although I'm not paralyzed.

Now, tell me another worst case scenario.

 

[headshotcatcher]

On the internet they sometimes mockingly call it "heroics"

No. The meme is "an hero". Knowyourmeme [http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/an-hero].
Anyway, people mock suicide for the same reason they mock absolutely everything else in the world.
Why the fuck not?

"Someone hacked Henderson?s MySpace page and gave him the face of a zombie. Someone placed an iPod on Henderson?s grave, took a picture and posted it to /b/. Henderson?s face was appended to dancing iPods, spinning iPods, hardcore porn scenes. A dramatic re-enactment of Henderson?s demise appeared on YouTube, complete with shattered iPod. The phone began ringing at Mitchell?s parents? home. ?It sounded like kids,? remembers Mitchell?s father, Mark Henderson, a 44-year-old I.T. executive. ?They?d say, ?Hi, this is Mitchell, I?m at the cemetery.? ?Hi, I?ve got Mitchell?s iPod.? ?Hi, I?m Mitchell?s ghost, the front door is locked. Can you come down and let me in?? ? He sighed. ?It really got to my wife.? The calls continued for a year and a half."


That's why the fuck not..

 

[Vredesbyrd67]

People that are seriously contemplating suicide? No, I don't mock them. It's their life and they are free to end it as they wish.

The problem with that logic is that suicidal people don't actually want to commit suicide. Their lives are so filled with negativity and pain, they feel that whatever positive aspects to it are insignificant by comparison. Imagine, hypothetically, if everyone you ever loved died, you lost both your legs, an eye, and your sex drive, all your money was stolen and you could not be reimbursed, you're stuck in a boring, pointless job where people don't appreciate you, entertainment and diversions of all types either don't exist or simply don't bring you joy anymore, and for the cherry on top, you're terminally ill with something that saps your strength, causes great amounts of physical pain on a daily basis, and you're destined to spend the rest of your life friendless and alone. You can't even buy drugs to numb yourself in a coma, because your money is gone, and whatever you do make goes to bills for shit that someone else bought with your credit card after stealing it. If all these things made up the content of your life, would you want to continue living it?

Or would you rather that things in your life just improve instead?

This is an extreme situation, but this kind of scenario is what suicidals genuinely believe to be the nature of their lives.

 

[Wade-DeadPool]

If they do it in a odd way/stupid way... Or if the reason for their suicide is just plain... Dumb... Not make fun.. But.. more like "Really... "that" is the reason...Riiight.."

 

[Icehearted]

Yes it really is idiotic to want death "over a life of suffering" because life can get better, once you die it's game over. Many religions view suicide as a sin so even if you believe, it's not an improvement. Life can always get better, never forget that, there are success stories everywhere that show how people who push through the pain and never give up can always make their lives better. They may not be perfect, but they will get better.

Actually, there are psychiatrists and counselors that will argue that it doesn't always get better. An example would be someone that was raped at childhood, being unable to have children, sexual intercourse, or any modicum of normalcy. I can also mention a case wherein a woman in her infancy had been bottle fed alcohol to keep her quiet, which has resulted in severe brain damage, and she has been living with severe depression because of chemical imbalances and circumstances (which is why people that are actually clinically depressed can't just "get over it"). It would be argued that they are in progressive deteriorative state physically, psychologically, and in just about every other way imaginable, and by no fault of their own. There is such things as a life of suffering, and i know unless you've been that raped child or that handicapped abuse victim it's easy to presume a lot and be dismissive, but whether or not people in general believe it so, it is still so. Not everyone recovers, and not everyone even has the opportunity or capability (key words) to try.

Well it depends, if I break my spine and can barley do anything else than drooling I would rather kill myself but if I've experienced and still experience a shitload of constant problems you're just an coward trying to escape reality.

You gotta understand there's a lot of different situations with different answers, so stop generalizing.

When people are mocking suicidal men and women they are often doing so in general, assuming that they need to get over it or it will eventually improve, when often times it does not, or even cannot. No offense, but I feel that your example of spinal injury is a grave oversimplification of the more complex underlying issues involved with persons who are suicidal. In many cases it isn't fleeting, it doesn't happen suddenly, but is like a snowball rolling down a hill, subtle and very quiet at first, but it can easily grow into an avalanche, seemingly without warning. Nobody just decides one day they're going to kill themselves, it's generally something that begins with ideation and can grow unnoticed by even the person experiencing it, at least at first, and sometimes for years.

 

[deathmetalfan]

It's safe to say that most people were at one point in their life suicidal. I know I was, nearly downed a bottle of pills one Halloween. But I wasn't depressed, nor do I really think much of it anymore. The late George Carlin, one of my favorite comedians of all time, did several jokes about suicide, in fact, he has a 7 minute track on his album Life is Worth Losing all about suicide, which I find to be one of the most hysterically funny comedy tracks I've ever listened to.

How ever, two students from my former high school apparently suicided this year for various reasons, and I respect them just for the fact they have died. I'm not gonna poke fun at their death's because it's deemed 'unsuitable', which is understandable since their suicides I understand were the results of cyber bullying. But then again, this hasn't stopped people from making fun of them even after a month of the suicides. And while the idea of suicide is deemed inappropriate in society, I feel if you don't like the situation you're in and there are no options to get out with this last one, go for it, it's not my decision to make for you.

This next part might seem insensitive, but I'm gonna put it out there anyway. I feel it wouldn't hurt to lose a few people. With the way the Earth seems to be over populated, might as well let those with terminal diseases, life sentences with no possibility of parole in prison, so on, should be given the choice to end it. It might seem harsh, but I feel that the world has become to attached to itself to let people go. Why elongate someone's life if it's imminently going to expire? Why put away a mass murderer who took the lives 24 women and children and let him just live out his life in a prison while public has to pay for him to live? Again, it may seem harsh, but I'm just putting it out there.

That said, suicide isn't that horrible an idea. Sure, it can hurt to lose someone, but then again, it hurts to lose anyone, whether it be by suicide, car accident, disease, and so on. Suicide is just another way out, and I'd rather do what Hunter S. Thompson did if I ever reach that point.

 

[Hashime]

I would bet 95% of supposed web suicides are attention grabs, so I ignore them.
Now if a friend (or random stranger) called my I certainly would take it seriously and not mock them, but over the internet Ignoring is the best policy.

 

[Ohhi]

Why not mock it, it is a weak persons way out of the hardships of real life I mean take myself for example. My father is addicted to meth and has tried to kill me on more than one occaison, my mother stole thousands of dollars from my school and is now on the run from the law and has not spoken to me in eleven years. On top of that we live in the poorest of the poor neighboorhoods in our town and the only way I am able to post this is because I am using a school computer. I have thought about ending my life many times I have even had the gun at my temple ready to pull the trigger, but here is the thing how is dieing any better than what you are living with now there are always those little things that give you a little bit of light so you can continue. those are just my thoughts on it.

 

[Daveman]

I've never met anyone suicidal. I could never do it just because I'm fucking TERRIFIED of death. Nothing in life can be scarier than the total absence of everything and an end of conciousness.

 

[A big red rooster]

Only half. Only half of you would offer help.

I... can't even sum up a response. I am completely disgusted.

That's not what the question is asking, you're using the data to reach a conclusion unsupported by the info. It's asking whether suicidal people are mocked generally as opposed to specifically.

Example: I answered that sometimes I do mock suicidal people, I don't mock specific suicidal people and I don't mock specific instances of suicide, I do however mock the concept of suicidal people. That's probably not quite clear, I basically mean that I use phrases like 'an hero' in general conversation but don't mock someone for wanting to end their life.

My apologies for not understanding. This is a very touchy subject for me, and I obviously didn't bother to read your entire post.

 

[stormtrooper9091]

suicidal people tend to be big drama queens, some of them at least. I knew a guy who killed himself because he lied about his grades to his dad who then eventually saw a report card. Totally uncalled for but yeah, you get the point

 

[rokkolpo]

I would never allow someone to kill themselves.
I would always fight, because I believe in a brighter side.

It's always there, the closest I could probably come to suicide is prison...when I'm trying to escape.

 

[tzimize]

Some people commit suicide for completely justifiable reasons, other people kill themselves because they're too cowardly to work out their problems the hard way.

As with any group of people, there are extemes on both sides.

While I'm inclined to agree, I have to point out that its kind of hard to agree on what is a "legitimate" reason to kill oneself. If a person kills himself, for a reason you find cowardly, why should that matter to the suffering person? The world is experienced personally, not objectively. If a person for whatever reason kills himself, I'd say said person is in the right. No matter how stupid the reason.

 

[thespianicism]

Nope, never, not a once. I honestly don't see how anyone could find enjoyment in mocking a suicidal person. If someone is suicidal, she has run out of ways to cope with whatever is going on in her life and needs help to find a way to either change the circumstances or learn new coping mechanisms. I struggle with depression and have gone through periods where I have been suicidal. Had someone mocked me at these times (although no one knew,) I would have felt more worthless and been at a much greater risk of killing myself. A friend of mine recently attempted suicide. Thinking that someone might have mocked her in that fragile state makes me furious.

People commit suicide when the don't know what else to do. Instead of mocking them for that, we should help them figure out a way to cope. The same thing goes for people who self-injure. Don't mock someone who hurts herself. Self-injury is a coping mechanism, albeit a bad one. But someone who has resorted to that method of coping is probably running out of options. Mocking someone helps no one. Ever. Think of someone who is suicidal as someone who as a life threatening disease. They need medical attention, not further injury.

 

[Totenkopf]

There is no person who is seriously contemplating suicide.
If you are serious about it, you have already done it, before anyone can notice your mood on facebook.

If however, you walk around and rub your plans into peoples faces, to see how they react, you obviously aren't serious but rather use suicide as a method for attention.

Now there, I am not saying that suicide is wrong, or that there is no reason in life to be unhappy. I am merely stating that it is a fallacy to assume that the persons who talk about suicide the most are the ones who are the most serious about it.

You know who is serious about suicide?
The hundreds of bankers, managers and stock brokers who blow their brains out every day, because they gambeled away all their fortune. Or the guy that gets scrapped off the front of a train.

Did I get something wrong or did you just really say that there are no people with serious suicidal tendencies, because they would be already dead?
Is that really your point?
That every person with such tendencies immediately kills themself?

OT: Let's say there are more serious and "less serious" cases of suicidal thoughts. There's a special aspect to the latter, they will never be executed, they are just attention-seeking, and are free to be laughed at and ridiculed.
Generally you shouldn't do that with the former, because they mostly end up like they are intended to do.

 

[Communist partisan]

Yes it really is idiotic to want death "over a life of suffering" because life can get better, once you die it's game over. Many religions view suicide as a sin so even if you believe, it's not an improvement. Life can always get better, never forget that, there are success stories everywhere that show how people who push through the pain and never give up can always make their lives better. They may not be perfect, but they will get better.

Actually, there are psychiatrists and counselors that will argue that it doesn't always get better. An example would be someone that was raped at childhood, being unable to have children, sexual intercourse, or any modicum of normalcy. I can also mention a case wherein a woman in her infancy had been bottle fed alcohol to keep her quiet, which has resulted in severe brain damage, and she has been living with severe depression because of chemical imbalances and circumstances (which is why people that are actually clinically depressed can't just "get over it"). It would be argued that they are in progressive deteriorative state physically, psychologically, and in just about every other way imaginable, and by no fault of their own. There is such things as a life of suffering, and i know unless you've been that raped child or that handicapped abuse victim it's easy to presume a lot and be dismissive, but whether or not people in general believe it so, it is still so. Not everyone recovers, and not everyone even has the opportunity or capability (key words) to try.

Well it depends, if I break my spine and can barley do anything else than drooling I would rather kill myself but if I've experienced and still experience a shitload of constant problems you're just an coward trying to escape reality.

You gotta understand there's a lot of different situations with different answers, so stop generalizing.

When people are mocking suicidal men and women they are often doing so in general, assuming that they need to get over it or it will eventually improve, when often times it does not, or even cannot. No offense, but I feel that your example of spinal injury is a grave oversimplification of the more complex underlying issues involved with persons who are suicidal. In many cases it isn't fleeting, it doesn't happen suddenly, but is like a snowball rolling down a hill, subtle and very quiet at first, but it can easily grow into an avalanche, seemingly without warning. Nobody just decides one day they're going to kill themselves, it's generally something that begins with ideation and can grow unnoticed by even the person experiencing it, at least at first, and sometimes for years.

I know how depression and suicidal tendencies get built up but a spinal injury isn't a oversimplification, if you have been able to anything your whole life and suddenly you can't cos' a simple accident wouldn't depression and possibly suicidal tendencies hit you as a train?

 

[Soods]

Off course I do. They're dead, so it's less harm done than mocking living people. But most people seem to have some kind of "respect" for the dead and go mad if you make fun of the dead around them.

Not all suicides are funny, but there are quite a lot of funny ones aswell.

You're ignorance is fucking stagger. There's no such thing as a "funny" suicide. Have someone you care about kill themselves and then see if it's worth laughing about.

I think it's ironic, and thus funny, to see a man jump from 6th floor and only die later in hospital. (Escaping pain resulting in incredible pains.)
Off course it can be more "serious" if you know that man, but ask yourself this: Would he want you to move on and have fun or become bitter because of him?

 

[Cain_Zeros]

I have not, and frankly I get pissed off at people who say suicide's for the weak etc. One of the strongest people I know has attempted suicide more than once, and considering the shit she's been through I can understand why.

 

[Canid117]

I have a cousin who committed suicide less than a year ago. Fuck you everyone who answered anything other than 5 or 7.