Poll: Suicide

[Kashrlyyk]

First of all, there is nothing you shouldn't joke about. Just because we may be personally connected to one issue does not mean anyone who jokes about it is an asshole....

Tell a joke that doesn't make you look like an arsehole about a 5 month old baby girl being raped by an 18 years old man. Shit like that actually happens.

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Now, the people who TALK about doing it on facebook or something ridiculous like that, yes. I mock those fuckers to the ends of the earth and back because i've simply no patience for it, nor their shenanigans....

Change that attitude and you might actually save a life someday: Simone Back Announces Suicide On Facebook--And None Of Her Friends Help [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/05/simone-back-facebook-suicide_n_804566.html]

@Exterminas
You should look into "suicidal ideation". It's been shown that people who fantasize, contemplate, threaten, or attempt suicide, even if only as a cry for help, often repeat the process as a means of building themselves up to the actual act. In fact studies have found that a person that engages in ideation, decompesation, or other such "behaviors" are often more and more likely to go through with the act in the future (the statistical likelihood may increase rather substantially). Sometimes it is for attention, but more often than not this is actually precursory to the act itself.

Thank you for clearing up that myth.

 

[BlackSaint09]

I think ive had the opportunity and even have gotten the joke to take form in my mind but ive never said it.

 

[Hoplon]

I have come to realise over meny years that suicide is painless, It brings on many changes and I can take or leave it if I please.

This and other things I learnt from M.A.S.H. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo]

 

[Communist partisan]

Simple question, I'm sure will garner complicated answers; Why do people mock suicide?
On the internet they sometimes mockingly call it "heroics", while often others will call people who have chosen death are referred to as "morons", "cowards", and "idiots". Is it really idiotic to want death over a life of suffering? It doesn't always get better, things don't often actually improve, in fact I've seen things get worse for a lot of people that have been stricken with the kind of personal grief that sustains suicidality.

I know a young man, barely an adult, that took his own life and he was mentally disturbed. Do people really think mental illness is a mark of stupidity? I knew a woman that deliberately allowed her boyfriend to kill her before turning the gun on himself, was she really just an idiot and a coward?

I'm running on a bit, but I'm genuinely curious about this mentality people have with mocking and ridiculing anyone that considers this the only way to get out of a life of abuse, mental illness, and unresolvable grief.

I'd really like to understand why suicidal people face such seemingly provocative ridicule and rebuke.

Edit: I'm not asking about whether you have mocked suicide, I'm asking about whether or not (and why) people mock other people that are seriously contemplating suicide.

Well it depends, if I break my spine and can barley do anything else than drooling I would rather kill myself but if I've experienced and still experience a shitload of constant problems you're just an coward trying to escape reality.

You gotta understand there's a lot of different situations with different answers, so stop generalizing.

 

[Kashrlyyk]

If they are actually suicidal; no. Those who are depressed and merely SAY they are suicidal to get attention; yes. At every chance I get. Because they never DO kill themselves anyway.

Read post 22 so that next time you don't make a fool out of yourself.

 

[Wutaiflea]

Everyone's experience of suicidal thoughts is different. I think a lot of people find it difficult to relate to another person's despair, because the things that would perhaps drive you to the point of feeling that way are not that same as the next person.

Suicidal feelings also are not the same as suicide. Practically every person in the world will experience that feeling that sometimes, it would just be easier not to wake up tomorrow morning, or that feeling that perhaps if you just drove into that truck, it'd be easier for everybody.

I spend a lot of time speaking to suicidal people and a lot of time speaking to people who are such adamant survivors that suicide doesn't cross their mind. Neither thing is an "incorrect" reaction to their pain- it's just that they're different.

Knowing that, as part of my job, I may one day be expected to stay on the phone while someone commits suicide changes how you see it. My training involved understanding that no one has the right to judge the suffering or needs of another person in distress- a lot of people simply don't feel that way.

 

[x EvilErmine x]

Personally i think it's the height of selfishness but i would never mock it.

I have never understood this argument. So, you say it is selfish because they leave others to grieve of you I assume? I think you are the one being selfish for demanding that a person live with extreme depression for which could be years on end and will probably happen again in the future.

It's selfish because it's all about them and they never stop to consider the impact it will have on the lives of other people, suicide can drive a family apart and devastate the lives of the people around them so that they will never recover fully. But do they stop to consider this? No they don't they just think about them selves and screw everyone else who cares about them, loves them, or want to help them. Non of that matters to them, they wash they hands of all responsibility they have. Yeah so your really depressed? Then man up and ask for help, the people who truly care for you will stand by you and help you however they can no matter what. Nothing in life worth anything comes without pain and heartache. They take the easy way out, so yeah it is the height of selfishness.

So if you want to die you should force yourself to stay alive for the benefit of others? Thats a terrible reason for choosing to live. A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys

I never said that, I said suicide is the height of selfishness. If you really want to kill your self then go ahead, but know that it's selfish and basically you are saying to all the people around you, your parents, friends and lovers that everything they have ever done for you all the sacrifices they have made for you means nothing to you.

 

[B1i nd Luck]

why is it our dicision? if they want to kill themselves let them. they have all ready made there mind. think of it as natural selection, "strengthening the species".

 

[Owlslayer]

I think I'd never mock someone who is considering suicide. I mean, that just spells trouble.

Though i have made jokes when someone was also joking about committing suicide. But someone who is actually really depressed and really is thinking about ending his own life? Hell no. I mean, sure, I'd try to talk him out of it, but not hope that making fun of it will make him think that suicide is silly.

 

[Kortney]

Tell a joke that doesn't make you look like an arsehole about a 5 month old baby girl being raped by an 18 years old man. Shit like that actually happens.

Well, at least you did a good job in missing my point old chap!

 

[Trolldor]

Simple question, I'm sure will garner complicated answers; Why do people mock suicide?
On the internet they sometimes mockingly call it "heroics", while often others will call people who have chosen death are referred to as "morons", "cowards", and "idiots". Is it really idiotic to want death over a life of suffering? It doesn't always get better, things don't often actually improve, in fact I've seen things get worse for a lot of people that have been stricken with the kind of personal grief that sustains suicidality.

I know a young man, barely an adult, that took his own life and he was mentally disturbed. Do people really think mental illness is a mark of stupidity? I knew a woman that deliberately allowed her boyfriend to kill her before turning the gun on himself, was she really just an idiot and a coward?

I'm running on a bit, but I'm genuinely curious about this mentality people have with mocking and ridiculing anyone that considers this the only way to get out of a life of abuse, mental illness, and unresolvable grief.

I'd really like to understand why suicidal people face such seemingly provocative ridicule and rebuke.

Edit: I'm not asking about whether you have mocked suicide, I'm asking about whether or not (and why) people mock other people that are seriously contemplating suicide.

It's something people don't understand, basically.

 

[Cali0602]

(I'm not even going into the argument that suicidal people don't take into consideration the feelings of the survivors they leave behind...)

Life is a gift. I think that's a statement we can all agree to be true. So, given that truth, why should I support those who feel the need to throw that gift away just because they're suffering? There are hundreds upon thousands of people who are suffering every day, but they push through. They carry with them the hardened fortitude of someone who WANTS to survive. The purpose of life is to endure the hardships and above all things, survive. That's what gives life flavor, that's what makes it worth living, the fight.

On the other hand, consider those who want to live but can't due to some untreatable illness (perhaps cancer). Are you really going to support 'Suicidy McRazorblade' who is in good physical health when there are others who would give damn near everything to have that level of physical wellbeing?

"Suicidies" need to take a good hard look at their existential vacuum and realize that there's a lot more they have going for them than they know...Or just grab the kitchen knife and quit breathing the air of those who want to live.

Cold, callous, but calculated.

*Update: Eli Wiesel was the guy I was thinking of...Look him up some time. Great stuff on existentialism and the forces that drive a man forward.*

 

[Trolldor]

Personally i think it's the height of selfishness but i would never mock it.

I have never understood this argument. So, you say it is selfish because they leave others to grieve of you I assume? I think you are the one being selfish for demanding that a person live with extreme depression for which could be years on end and will probably happen again in the future.

It's selfish because it's all about them and they never stop to consider the impact it will have on the lives of other people, suicide can drive a family apart and devastate the lives of the people around them so that they will never recover fully. But do they stop to consider this? No they don't they just think about them selves and screw everyone else who cares about them, loves them, or want to help them. Non of that matters to them, they wash they hands of all responsibility they have. Yeah so your really depressed? Then man up and ask for help, the people who truly care for you will stand by you and help you however they can no matter what. Nothing in life worth anything comes without pain and heartache. They take the easy way out, so yeah it is the height of selfishness.

Lol manning up out of depression...

Its not as easy as it sounds.

In a state of suicide one feels no hope or meaning, and sometimes the family doesnt understand, and sometimes there is no family at all.

Oddly enough, "manning up" out of depression is really the best way.
But rather than endure it, you bury it.
I do things bigger than I should, and it's the only way I've been able to live my life. The moment I stop is the moment I regress back two or three years to watching traffic and wondering what sounds my bones would make under car tyres.

 

[Nazulu]

@Exterminas
You should look into "suicidal ideation". It's been shown that people who fantasize, contemplate, threaten, or attempt suicide, even if only as a cry for help, often repeat the process as a means of building themselves up to the actual act. In fact studies have found that a person that engages in ideation, decompesation, or other such "behaviors" are often more and more likely to go through with the act in the future (the statistical likelihood may increase rather substantially). Sometimes it is for attention, but more often than not this is actually precursory to the act itself.

Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted to say.

The people who do mock them just don't understand, it's as simple as that. I believe everything should be mocked but not the people who are going through shit. I find that most of 'em see no future for themselves any where in this world and lose hope very easy if even one treatment doesn't work. It can get so bad that the things you usually enjoy or found comfort in will no longer help at all, depression eats away at your motivation and confidence till you have none at all.

The mind is one of the most complex things ever and is really really fragile. All these arrogant people who think it's cowardly or stupid can easily fall into depression themselves if life turned really sour on them. They should be happy that they've never experieced it themselves, not making fun of those who suffer.

 

[Broax]

I disaprove of suicide as I think it's the easy way out of problems... A lot of the time people say "oh you need to be so brave to kill yourself" but they seem to forget that suicide implies problems and suicide as a solution to problems implies not dealing with them.

There ARE cases where you can NOT do anything about your problems and there are a lot of situations where death is a really nice solution as facing the problem is neither honorable nor pretty (prison gang rapes comes to mind).

But in the bulk of the situations its just running away. So I don't have a lot of sympathy for such an action. I do understand that they are in a hard place I probably never have been in but still it's not brave or courageous or nothing like that.

But still I wouldn't make fun of that. I'd laugh at a comic that approaches that topic but laughing at a specific person for a specific suicide... I don't think I'd do that. Much less cracking the joke myself...

EDIT: I forgot about terminal illness! If you count euthanasia as suicide I'm all thumbs up for it...

 

[AgDr_ODST]

I've mercilessly mocked the warped rationale behind the idea of any one deciding to be a suicide homicide bomber, and martyr themselves for whatever reason they come up with, so I picked sometimes. Which is not to say I'd laugh if a Joe Somebody that I knew or read about killed himself cause he was depressed or something because I wouldn't given how a High School Teacher who was a friend to my family killed himself

 

[parasyteFMA]

People who kill themselves don't have any support with their problems, or in some cases problems they give themselves. Personally I think they only way to condone it is when something so horrible has happened to someone or continues to happen to someone and they can't handle it. Even then it's not really okay in my opinion. Seek help, go to therapy, have friends who stick by you.

 

[Dr Jones]

I haven't mocked anyone who's suicidal in the sense that I've made fun of them for being suicidal, but I've joked with suicide, the same way that I joke with baby killing, racism and rape.

this, although i dont dare kid about stuff like that in public, people get really offended.
I found out the hard way..

 

[Ulquiorra4sama]

I never really founf the opportunity to make a crack about it in a setting that wouldn't offend anyone.
So, no, i haven't.

 

[Jonluw]

I haven't mocked anyone who's suicidal in the sense that I've made fun of them for being suicidal, but I've joked with suicide, the same way that I joke with baby killing, racism and rape.

this, although i dont dare kid about stuff like that in public, people get really offended.
I found out the hard way..

How do you define "in public" in this context though?
Is school included for example?