Poll: Team Fortress 2: Why you no have Females?

[Souplex]

I honestly couldn't care. The game was good at launch, and was good for a while after that.
Then they came with the class specific updates, and all that balance they strived so hard for was out the window.
Grinding became more necessary, the community steadily got worse, and now there's nothing left of the game I kind of liked.

 

[briunj04]

I like how the soldier in the picture on the first post is that girl from Aliens

 

[DeadlyBritishDisease]

The game is semi-set in the 1950's and there weren't many female military types around that time, let alone mercenaries. I think the lack of females has more to do with the time period than anything else.

FYI: The Announcer and Paula (her assistant) are female and they are the ones bossing the teams around.

 

[little.09]

I will first please ask you to learn the correct use of the apostrophe.

Now, moving on. No, it's not necessary. There's no real reason to have them. If someone could give me an ACTUALLY beneficial reason to include them, then by all means, I'd be fine with it, but until then, no. They're not needed.

saying its not necessary isn't a valid reason for anything in games. Games are not necessary.

OT: anything to give a deeper experience in a game is worthwhile to me, and if there is a market for it valve should definitely do it.

 

[Soulfoodman]

I stand by the Pyro being a girl until it is officially said otherwise. As such I'm not sure how to respond in the poll. Yay?

 

[cainx10a]

If they had the time to create the Deux Ex skins, surely they can find the time to include varying ethnicity (just as important as having both gender) and the fairer sex as well.

 

[BigFurry]

Do you want to know why there are no girls in TF2? Because Valve didn't originally envision female classes in TF2. If valve wanted girls in TF2 there would be girls in TF2. That's like saying "Why isn't the demoman white?" or "Why is the scout so damn short?" It's a fucking stupid point that only females and feminists bring up.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against female game characters or women in general. If Valve originally included girl characters in TF2 I wouldn't give a damn. But the fact that this question is so frequently asked on the internet pisses me the fuck off. You wouldn't question why you can't play a female Mario or a male Laura Croft would you?

 

[Evil Top Hat]

Female tf2 characters would undoubtedly end up in some weird rule 34 situation. Don't believe me? I've seen MLP rule 34.

Case closed.

 

[A Free Man]

Wouldn't make a differnce to me as I'd still play a male character. I think it depends on whether girls feel there should be female characters in which case there is nothing wrong with it. Probably the only reason there aren't is because it adds development work for relatively little difference to the game. Basically they would have to create more animations, models, voices etc to provide no extra gameplay. Sure, it might not be fair to girls but I would guess even some of the girls would prefer to have extra gameplay or other features rather then a female character.

 

[Snotnarok]

Someone got this idea, I think they're just skins...
http://www.gamebanana.com/members/845166

No they hired professional voice actors for the mod, even valve had it on steam news. Quite amazing honestly.

I do think it's goofy there's only 1 female (the pyro) but adding male and female classes I think is not a good idea because the whole idea behind the characters isn't just having characters. They're means to identify a threat fast, that's why Brink gets a lot of flack for having no real way to tell till you've been filled full of lead.

Should they add it? No I don't think so because what they have works so very well and it's better for the gameplay (in my mind). However I do think they should have had girls from the get-go, could have been more interesting. You know other than the announcer and pyro.

You raise a good point, that players need to recognize quickly what other classes there are, but I doubt that is as big an obstacle as you suggest. The classes are easily distinguishable today because their body types are so distinct. Players don't need to study the finer details of each model to identify the class because they can distinguish the classes from their broad silhouette.

You might object that the different silhouettes of men and women present exactly the problem we want to avoid, but you'd be forgetting how much variety you can see within either men or women. I expect a good designer would be able to find a female body type for each class that would remind you immediately of the male type. For some classes, as this link awesomely demonstrates, that has already been done.

I'm aware, however the game has been out since 2007 and people have really grown accustomed to the classes. If they were to do something like this I'd say it'd have to be something the player chooses to see vs personal preference. By that I mean I could pick to disable the other players gender choice on my end, but others could still chose how they see it.

If that makes ANY sense that is. Either way, there's always room in Team Fortress 3 or whatever.

 

[captaincabbage]

Yes, but only if they're designed as proper replacements, like Chemicalalia of Deviantart is doing, not just sexed up babe versions.

Seriously, has anyone else seen her female medic? It looks like an honest to god replacement from Valve.

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Also her female Heavy and Spy are fantastic.

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... Heavy kind of scares me more than normal Heavy ._. However, I question the practicality of Spy's heels.

I question the practicality of Male spy's balaclava.

 

[Corporal Yakob]

Wait wait wait! Female Scout is black and female Demoman is white!?! (Implodes)

 

[Synyster]

I have no problem with girls playing TF2, in fact i welcome it, but I think a lot of girls are driven away by a somewhat steep learning curve, but mostly because a lot of people on TF2 are total asses, towards everyone

 

[42]

without sounding purposefully sexist, TF2 is just one of those games which doesn't seem like it needs a female character. It's the same thing with CoD, you don't see any female characters at all in the multiplayer. (Sarah Michelle Gellar in Zombies does not count, thats co-op). The thing is these games (I'm only talking about the FPS games nothing else) only depict males as your avatars, because can you imagine the media if they found out about female characters in an FPS Multiplayer? Headlines will read as: Games Multiplayer Allows Killing of Women. Encourages RAPE.
See thats why its mostly a male thing. As for TF2, i don't think it is necessary to add a female to the team, as it will just make things annoying with the whole cliche of one women in a group of guys.

will it improve it? Why should it?

Would the Ricky Gervais Show improve if it had a female in the group? No. This whole attitude of adding women for balance is a load of bollocks. And it's this sort've thing is why feminism has become the joke that it is today.

(please note that i do believe feminism actually did once stand for something but recent times and stunts and attention seeking from such groups have make me cynical towards the concept.)

 

[irani_che]

because the Heavy already has a sandwich

 

[No_Remainders]

I will first please ask you to learn the correct use of the apostrophe.

Now, moving on. No, it's not necessary. There's no real reason to have them. If someone could give me an ACTUALLY beneficial reason to include them, then by all means, I'd be fine with it, but until then, no. They're not needed.

saying its not necessary isn't a valid reason for anything in games. Games are not necessary.

OT: anything to give a deeper experience in a game is worthwhile to me, and if there is a market for it valve should definitely do it.

My problem with it is that it would be an amazing waste of manpower. To be honest, I think they should just leave TF2 as it is now and focus on more important things. TF2 has more than enough content by so very much, and I don't see reason in valve continuing to work on it. And I especially see no reason in adding new character models rather than just new maps.

Let's face it, the hats have just become ludicrous.

 

[Jamous]

Well there's always the announcer? That, and as many have already said, te Pyro might be female.

 

[Tesral]

I am reminded of this.

TF2 actually has a fair few women within the canon, but none on the battlefield.

 

[GraveeKing]

Before you all shout down my neck at me being sexist. It's my views get over it.
Anyways.

I think there are plenty of reasons it doesn't have women. The first being, TF2's theme is meant to be non-serious and generally quite amusing all while having fun game-play (See 'Sandvich' for details) and Statistics show that women are less funny. Don't yell at me - look on the TV, the majority of good comedians are men. I don't know why it is but people seem to find men funnier for whatever reason. The point stands that men are considered funnier and hence a better fit for the game genre.
Secondly, I think when valve created the game, they didn't want people to worry about political correctness in any way shape or form. I mean one class mocks one-eyed people, black people AND the Scottish all in one person (in good humored way of course), if they'd want to use stereotyping for a girl, they'd either have to make her extreme at one thing or another to keep with the theme, all the classes of the game would be damn hard to pull off to keep to the stereotype and be a girl, the only classes with real potential would have to lose their old personality, I.E Medic(made German doctor) > Nurse(overly-blonde) or Scout(cocky smartass) > Female scout(Tomboy with a nasty attitude).

No matter what way you look at it - tf2 does not 'need' a girl for political correctness or whatever other reason - the genre works just fine. The games characters are some of the best throughout all of valves games. Best leave them as they are.

 

[Deadyawn]

I think it would've been a good idea in initial production but now it's a bit too late. All of the implications in gameplay not to mention the effort to make all the things necessary for 9 new models would just be too much at this point.