When the Grim Reaper is staring you dead in the eyes, people tend to do interesting things. I'd certainly not present the thug a change of disarming me.mega48man said:
Poll: Teen Shot dead after attempting to mug man
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I seriously doubt that anybody would take the time to aim a gun at someones leg while they're getting clouted around the head.Daystar Clarion said:
OT : sad news indeed, at the end of the day somebody has died. Somebody out mugging people at that age is such a waste. With the access to guns ye have in the States the kid could well have ended up being a murderer himself. Who knows thoguh maybe, just maybe he might have turned his life around. Unfourtunatly he wont get the chance
I'm not sure if I'd have shot tbh, shooting a gun is one thing shooting a person is different. The jogger has the right to defend himself, just so happens he was carrying a .45 with hollow points for self defence.
I'll sit in my ignorance feeling superior, you can continue with your condescending superiority, have fun toeing the line, because I can't be bothered with this argument anymore. It's just stupid and a waste of time on all our parts.Swollen Goat said:
Yeah, I said he was right, but I want to amend that with adding. He was right until he fired the second contacting shot. Shooting someone is self defense, to stop them before they can stop you, but shooting that person a second time is going in for the kill.
Never pull a gun unless you are willing and capable of using it. If you are not willing, you may end up having the gun taken from you. Where ya gonna be then?xPixelatedx said:
If you had read the article, you would know that Baker believed that the guy he shot had a gun. If I believed I was about to have a gun used on me, I wouldn't stop at 8 shots, because the asshole might still be a threat at that point. Any self defense instructor on the planet will tell you to keep shooting until there is no more threat.
Yeah, it sucks that a teenager died, but he was old enough to know that there may well be consequences for his actions, and that those consequences might equal death.
You shoot to kill, not wound. Besides, he could barely see shit, and you want to make sure the threat is neutralized.Laurie Barnes said:
Laser sights are not designed to improve accuracy. They are designed to give a point of reference for where the bullet is likely to go if the laser is sighted correctly. They are only useful in low light situations.Captain Pancake said:
There is no such thing as a nonlethal shot. If I were to shoot somebody in the toe, there exists the possibility that that person would die due to complications from the injury, shock, and/or pieces of lead from the bullet spreading through the circulatory system.
You'd be surprised how hard it is to hit a head sized target reliably under relaxed circumstances. Imagine how hard it would be to hit a human head after being sucker punched hard enough to send him to the ground.
And as for warning shots, just stop. Firing a warning shot is irresponsible, and may end up with injury to someone 4 streets away. In addition, firing a warning shot might make the guy you're trying to scare away do something stupid, like kill you after he takes your gun away.
The reaction may seem extreme in hindsight, but Baker couldn't have known at the time that the guy he shot was, in fact, unarmed. With the information Baker had about the situation he was in, I believe he was left with no other options but to defend himself.
One shot has REPEATEDLY proven ineffective at stopping humans. I'm hoping you understand the blatant double standard you seem to show. Shooting someone once=good job defending yourself, shoot him again=BAD PERSON, HOW DARE YOU MAKE SURE THE THREAT TO YOUR LIFE HAS STOPPED BEING ONE!!!Laurie Barnes said:
Why should he not have gone for the kill? How do you know that the dipshit attacking him was gonna stop even if he was shot once?Laurie Barnes said:
lets be fair now, the attack on baker was premeditated (at least as far as 'there's someone, lets steal their shit!'), knowing that America has the highest gun to person ratio of all first world nations you would (or at least i would) expect someone out AFTER MIDNIGHT to be packing some heat, short sightedness on the muggers part was there own fault.
the lads could have been more heavily armed then they let on, sure they may not wanted to have killed baker but how was he to know that, he merely reacted to an attack.
you nay sayers proclaim that he could have used the laser sight to aim for a less then lethal leg wound or something, but if you've been punched in the face (which i have and it fucking hurts when somebody blind sides you), its dark and the adrenaline is pumping you don't stop to think about things because you can't, your body just doesn't let you think, it says '*****, GRAB YOUR GUN! GRAB YOUR GUN AND SQUEEZE THAT TRIGGER! YOU DON'T STOP 'TIL THE FUCKER GOES CLICK! DON'T ARGUE WITH ME FUCKER JUST DO IT!'
this is obviously what happened, before baker could even see straight again one kid was on the floor and the other was vaulting fences to get the fuck out of dodge.
the simple fact of the matter is this - if the kids hadn't attacked baker in the first place then shit would not have hit the fan so spectacularly for the one that is now 6 feet under.
the lads could have been more heavily armed then they let on, sure they may not wanted to have killed baker but how was he to know that, he merely reacted to an attack.
you nay sayers proclaim that he could have used the laser sight to aim for a less then lethal leg wound or something, but if you've been punched in the face (which i have and it fucking hurts when somebody blind sides you), its dark and the adrenaline is pumping you don't stop to think about things because you can't, your body just doesn't let you think, it says '*****, GRAB YOUR GUN! GRAB YOUR GUN AND SQUEEZE THAT TRIGGER! YOU DON'T STOP 'TIL THE FUCKER GOES CLICK! DON'T ARGUE WITH ME FUCKER JUST DO IT!'
this is obviously what happened, before baker could even see straight again one kid was on the floor and the other was vaulting fences to get the fuck out of dodge.
the simple fact of the matter is this - if the kids hadn't attacked baker in the first place then shit would not have hit the fan so spectacularly for the one that is now 6 feet under.
I think the guy shot so many times out of terror and blind panic, rather than malice sure its fine for us to say "Oh its wrong he couldve shot him in the leg" We have to remember hed been dazed, it was at night, he thought he was in real danger. All of us wouldve done the same.
Baker was right to fire his gun in self-defense.
Him firing 8 rounds is to be expected if had no training and was surprised by attackers.
The kid dying was just unfortunate incident.
Getting hit in the head is not a pleasant experience as your view would be heavily distorted. I remember being kicked in the head once by my sparring partner and it took some time for me to get my bearings again so I would expect a full-force punch to the head would be even worse.
In fact I'm surprised that he managed to hit anything at all.
Him firing 8 rounds is to be expected if had no training and was surprised by attackers.
The kid dying was just unfortunate incident.
Getting hit in the head is not a pleasant experience as your view would be heavily distorted. I remember being kicked in the head once by my sparring partner and it took some time for me to get my bearings again so I would expect a full-force punch to the head would be even worse.
In fact I'm surprised that he managed to hit anything at all.
It seems we all have a consensus, Baker was stunned, scared and confused, he fired his weapon as many times as possible in the confusion to fend off his assailants, while the loss of a misguided youth is somewhat saddening, Baker was right.
AND A SIDE NOTE, every American is not a gun toting retard(NOT like Baker, he is a responsible owner) like you see in media! 50% I know do not own a gun and see no need for one, the other half keeps them safely placed away and for the majority of the time uses them for hunting.
STEREOTYPES PEOPLE
AND A SIDE NOTE, every American is not a gun toting retard(NOT like Baker, he is a responsible owner) like you see in media! 50% I know do not own a gun and see no need for one, the other half keeps them safely placed away and for the majority of the time uses them for hunting.
STEREOTYPES PEOPLE
I would like to point out that A) It is quite common to remain coherent and ambulating for in between 3 and 5 seconds after getting shot in the head. Also, all self defense training teaching you to shoot for the center of mass, i.e. the chest.Captain Pancake said:
and B) You can fire eight shots out of a pistol at in between .5-.8 seconds.
It takes a while for someone to fall down after the initial shot. It's easily possible to unload an entire clip in the time it takes to fall down, though he didn't even do that. Also, only 4 bullets hit.
Don't mug people and you won't get shot. Seems simple.
Don't mug people and you won't get shot. Seems simple.