Poll: Texas Students to be monitored with microchips.

[Lazy Kitty]

No, bad idea.
Unless they're schools for criminals of course.

 

[Saladfork]

Weren't a lot of American schools having funding problems? Just how much would these cost? Why can't that funding go into hiring more teachers or lowering school fees or something?

Also, pointless, ridiculously easy to dupe, etc.

 

[370999]

ITT: lots of people disliking the idea of being tracked, while not realizing the thousands of other ways they are being tracked every day of their lives.

Well then, I'd love to hear how my movement is being tracked. Go on, tell me.

I think you are older then the norm but the school I went o had security cameras stationed around the place. Usually so they could check the logs if people got into fights/know who was smoking.

Of course the blind spots were figured out real quick but meh.

Besides when you were at school didn't you have to get permission to leave the class to go to the bathroom?

This proposed system just seems to be too costly to be effective.

 

[NiPah]

So how quick before the shit security of some two bit private agency leaks the personal information of children on the internet? I always love blind faith in the government picked agencies people have, especially in two years when the contract goes to the lowest bidder to save a few hundred bucks.

What personal information? How long on average students take to get from class to class? Or maybe how often a particular student plays hooky?

Ooh, scary stalker material there.

Yes the ID transmitter number for individual students would be very scary stalker material, since you know they could use it to track that individual on their way home or even around school. Couple that with finding out a student always plays hooky on Monday, or maybe that they always go to the girls bathroom at 9:20am in the morning.

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to not see the dangers of broadcasting the movement and location of school children.

 

[frizzlebyte]

I'm not worried about the "privacy" of students at school--as has been pointed out, they don't have any. Their lockers can be searched at will, without cause or warrant, for example.

However I do worry about the effect this will have on the students later in life. Getting them used to this kind of thing in school is going to make them more likely to accept it in situations where it really is absolutely inappropriate. People already give up their privacy too easily, and this would severely exacerbate that problem.

This and this. The privacy aspect of this is totally pointless, IMO. It's the social conditioning that I'm more concerned about.

 

[Vicarious Reality]

I fail to see why this would be a bad idea like 80% of you do not, but i also do not comprehend why such a (probably expensive) system would be necessary

 

[GenericAmerican]

So education IS getting more money . . .just not for actual education, but ineffective methods of trying to keep track of students.

 

[Frozen Fox]

What a waste of money, who care if we can put more kids in their seats we still are not teaching them correctly

Who cares if we're teaching them correctly if no one shows up.

still have to get it in order. A mandatory meting with 10 million people in attendance that teaches nothing is still worse than an non-mandatory meting with one single person in attendance that does teach something

Good thing then that schools do actually teach something

Not very well to be honest but that is debatable I suppose, what is not debatable however is that if you need to track you kids so close you need to use what more or less amounts GPS to get them in to a classroom it does not matter if they are in the classroom they are not paying attention. In fact they are likely pissed I would be, i would in fact be so pissed I make smart ass comments and distract all the other kids thus lowing the quality of education.

I even feel a far grater urge to do this as I am being treated as a criminal, my school is run by dicks that treat me as a criminal then fine I will may as well act like a criminal.

 

[Warforger]

Nah, it's a pretty disgusting idea actually. I feel sorry for the people who have to attend Texas schools. Land of the free, indeed.

I wouldn't because the whole reason this is happening is because they're not very good students.

This has been done before and been proven to waste time and money.

All in all, it'll fail the moment they realize it won't stop a student from being kidnapped.

This isn't about kidnapping, this is about attendance in districts with horrible attendance. When students aren't accounted for the district does not get state funding, the idea is that if they're tracked they will have an incentive to go to school.

 

[Arluza]

No this is a hideous idea it is simply an unacceptable invasion of privacy.

School students who are under the age of 18 do not count as citizens and do not get rights given to adults. This is how some justify it.

 

[Frozen Fox]

What a waste of money, who care if we can put more kids in their seats we still are not teaching them correctly

Who cares if we're teaching them correctly if no one shows up.

still have to get it in order. A mandatory meting with 10 million people in attendance that teaches nothing is still worse than an non-mandatory meting with one single person in attendance that does teach something

Good thing then that schools do actually teach something

Not very well to be honest but that is debatable I suppose, what is not debatable however is that if you need to track you kids so close you need to use what more or less amounts GPS to get them in to a classroom it does not matter if they are in the classroom they are not paying attention. In fact they are likely pissed I would be, i would in fact be so pissed I make smart ass comments and distract all the other kids thus lowing the quality of education.

I even feel a far grater urge to do this as I am being treated as a criminal, my school is run by dicks that treat me as a criminal then fine I will may as well act like a criminal.

Well prospective rules shouldn't be abandoned because some people can't behave properly and will be immature about it. There's always people who are irrational and cause trouble for no good reason. They simply need to be taught it isn't acceptable, not kowtowed to.

But being treated as a criminal when you are not one is a good reason to get pissed, and school need to be taught that is is not acceptable. As I can not vote being a total dick until they kick me out of class or stop treating me as a criminal just sounds like a fantastic idea.

 

[DANEgerous]

No this is a hideous idea it is simply an unacceptable invasion of privacy.

School students who are under the age of 18 do not count as citizens and do not get rights given to adults. This is how some justify it.

Google fuckn use that shit
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

To become a citizen at birth, you must:

Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; OR
had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements

 

[Something Amyss]

No this is a hideous idea it is simply an unacceptable invasion of privacy.

Students have privacy? When did that happen?

 

[Meatspinner]

When ever I feel like European paternalism is getting out of hand I see one of these articles.

Thank you America... I guess

 

[DANEgerous]

No this is a hideous idea it is simply an unacceptable invasion of privacy.

Students have privacy? When did that happen?

Never, well at lest not from the time video cameras became available but then again that does not mean they should not fight to the small amount they have left or to be honest get more.

 

[Burst6]

So apparently they want to use this for more accurate attendance. Weird, in my high school we fixed this with pretty simple paperwork. People signed in if they needed to go to the nurses office or some other department and they used an online program to pull the attendance together. Teachers took attendance at the start of class and every class had bathroom passes.

That seems pretty waterproof to me. What are these chips supposed to accomplish that is worth the expense?

 

[AngryMongoose]

Yup, because thankfully we live in a world where no teachers are dogmatic, or prone to anger, or overreaction. Where every single person who becomes a teacher deals with students in a fair and even handed way. Where none of them would dare use such information for anything other than the safety and well being of their students. Where no teachers are murderers, or rapist; prone to exploiting children because it's easier to find them in a vulnerable position.


:/

It's strange; even in Cory Doctorow's somewhat authoritarian-dystopian book Little-Brother, the schools still aren't allowed to microchip students, instead bypassing laws by microchiping things such as Library Books.

 

[Frozen Fox]

What a waste of money, who care if we can put more kids in their seats we still are not teaching them correctly

Who cares if we're teaching them correctly if no one shows up.

still have to get it in order. A mandatory meting with 10 million people in attendance that teaches nothing is still worse than an non-mandatory meting with one single person in attendance that does teach something

Good thing then that schools do actually teach something

Not very well to be honest but that is debatable I suppose, what is not debatable however is that if you need to track you kids so close you need to use what more or less amounts GPS to get them in to a classroom it does not matter if they are in the classroom they are not paying attention. In fact they are likely pissed I would be, i would in fact be so pissed I make smart ass comments and distract all the other kids thus lowing the quality of education.

I even feel a far grater urge to do this as I am being treated as a criminal, my school is run by dicks that treat me as a criminal then fine I will may as well act like a criminal.

Well prospective rules shouldn't be abandoned because some people can't behave properly and will be immature about it. There's always people who are irrational and cause trouble for no good reason. They simply need to be taught it isn't acceptable, not kowtowed to.

But being treated as a criminal when you are not one is a good reason to get pissed, and school need to be taught that is is not acceptable.

It isn't treating them like criminals. It shouldn't affect them at all, they're at school anyway, their location ought to be known regardless. There is nothing sensitive about their location at school.

As I can not vote being a total dick until they kick me out of class or stop treating me as a criminal just sounds like a fantastic idea.

It sounds immature, pointless, and selfish. People like that don't deserve an education.

Awesome as long as it stops I win, kick me out to the school it accomplishes my goal.

But no you're right you're right being like a human is a very very selfish thing to want. I mean I should track your movements with and RFID you would be immature not to allow this.

 

[BishopofAges]

After reading more points of view here and arguements from both sides I have to ask this, full on and out to everyone in this thread:

What kind of 'private' activity are you people OK with your kids doing?

You all seem intent on thinking of yourselves when it comes to this subject, and I can say for sure that the only time I needed privacy on campus was to A) Use the Restroom (obvious on the tracking thing) B) Conduct mischief (should usually be stopped anyway) or C) Meet with others to have a private conversation (of which the RFID chip cannot HEAR, mind you)

This thing cannot HEAR, SPEAK, FEEL, TASTE, or any of the human senses, all it does for them is tell them you went to room 215 when you were supposed to or not. Kids don't really have private lives in school, unless it comes to relationships or conversation. Of which I don't believe the school will pull you into the security guard's office and ask "hey! You dating that girl from the other class or not?!"

edit: you all also act like these ID cards will be with them both the whole time they are in school and out, as well as the rest of their life, which it is not.

 

[Frozen Fox]

What a waste of money, who care if we can put more kids in their seats we still are not teaching them correctly

Who cares if we're teaching them correctly if no one shows up.

still have to get it in order. A mandatory meting with 10 million people in attendance that teaches nothing is still worse than an non-mandatory meting with one single person in attendance that does teach something

Good thing then that schools do actually teach something

Not very well to be honest but that is debatable I suppose, what is not debatable however is that if you need to track you kids so close you need to use what more or less amounts GPS to get them in to a classroom it does not matter if they are in the classroom they are not paying attention. In fact they are likely pissed I would be, i would in fact be so pissed I make smart ass comments and distract all the other kids thus lowing the quality of education.

I even feel a far grater urge to do this as I am being treated as a criminal, my school is run by dicks that treat me as a criminal then fine I will may as well act like a criminal.

Well prospective rules shouldn't be abandoned because some people can't behave properly and will be immature about it. There's always people who are irrational and cause trouble for no good reason. They simply need to be taught it isn't acceptable, not kowtowed to.

But being treated as a criminal when you are not one is a good reason to get pissed, and school need to be taught that is is not acceptable.

It isn't treating them like criminals. It shouldn't affect them at all, they're at school anyway, their location ought to be known regardless. There is nothing sensitive about their location at school.

As I can not vote being a total dick until they kick me out of class or stop treating me as a criminal just sounds like a fantastic idea.

It sounds immature, pointless, and selfish. People like that don't deserve an education.

Awesome as long as it stops I win, kick me out to the school it accomplishes my goal.

Of being uneducated? Why am I not surprised that you'd want to avoid an education?

But no you're right you're right being like a human is a very very selfish thing to want. I mean I should track your movements with and RFID you would be immature not to allow this.

Is there a particular reason you're ignoring my actual argument as to why it's okay? You know, where I point out that since they're at school anyway knowing where they are at a given time is a valid thing? As opposed to my life where there's no reason to be tracking me. I wouldn't give a damn if when I went to university I had to wear some kind of ID, though that would be stupid since there's no particular reason to care where I am.

How does them being at school change anything? Being tracked is being tracked. If i went to a university that required me to use an ID that tracked my movements I would demand a refund an never return, because it is stupid and they have no reason to care where I am.