Poll: That old question Fantasy or Sci fi

[Dr. Mongo]

Mmmmmmh... Science fiction for me. I really like fantasy, too. But SF wins by an eyelash.

 

[Cry Wolf]

Sci fi is too brief for me when you explore a world you only see a city or a small area, of the planet. I usually do not get too see as much as I would have liked (I am the person who cant move on in an adventure game until they have searched every room in the area, I WANT TO SEE IT ALL).

This is a problem with the material you're consuming, not the genre itself. For an easy example; take a look a Firefly too see how the proper development of a setting in Science Fiction should be. Actually; the original Mass Effect did a great job with setting as well. You've just got to realise that to compare (space) Science Fiction to Fantasy in this regard you must substitute "Universe/Galaxy/System" for "Continent/Land/Kingdom".

Fighting in Sci fi is not as good for me, because there are generally GUNS. Guns take all the fun out of combat for me. With swords and stuff YOU CAN HAVE A FIGHT. With guns it is just point, aim, blam then dead. That is not really fighting it is just killing without the challenge or build up. (I am aware that characters in these things don't usually die from one shot, but the gun is too powerful and takes all the length out of fights)

Eh. I think, generally speaking, violence is usually poorly done and overused. When used correctly, violence in either works equally well if given equal quality. That said, it's generally cheaper to make a passable gun fight then it is a passable sword fight so you do get a greater quantity of "meh" gun fights. I've also got to admit I love a good sword fight.

However, Science Fiction gives you much cooler toys to play with. Gun play? Sure, it works, but how about some vehicle chases! Space battles! Yay!

I am to set the record straight a Sci fi lover, for example I love Mass Effect (except the ending) and I love WH40k. I just find I generally prefer fantasy, because of those three above reasons.
I have not added a "I like them both" option to the poll because I want you to choose one or the other, but you can dislike both them of course. Whatever your choice please give a reason why. And for those of you who delight in picking apart OP's arguments, that's fine but please contribute to the discussion as well.

EDIT: I derped.

So, why is my love for Science Fiction greater than my love for Fantasy? I love the speculative aspect it provides me. Nearly all Science Fiction can be broken down to "what if?" that Fantasy really doesn't have going for it. It also provides a much greater number of plot elements to explore before having to degenerate to "because magic" (fuck you, ME 3 ending). Once you introduce magic, very few narratives manage to provide relatable characters without giving up and using archetypal characters.

1. This 'problem' is prevalent throughout most sci fi stuff. Not played Firefly, but I dont think Mass Effect did a good job of this, planets were pretty much a settlement and a square mile of terrain. Not enough for me (I understand that it is almost impossible to go into the level of detail I would like, because I want to much. Fantasy provides me with a lot more of the location and setting than Sci fi does, because Sci fi often has to be a bit brief, this is not always the case but it often is).

2. Must disagree with you. picture the scene: two space warriors start to fight, both go behind cover (yawn), and one pops up and snipes the other in the head (not much of a fight is it?). With fantasies you could make a duel truly epic.
Big Sci Fi battles are cool, lasers and tanks. But I still prefer swords skeletons and arcane blasts. Also most space battles look like a washing machine cluster fuck to me.

3. When used well Magic can be a really good plot element Eragon's ancient language for example is a fantastic addition to the story, there are fucking shit examples of magic though I agree (Harry Potter). Magic does not make you give up archetypal characters where the hell did you get that from? If you mean characters have to be all Warriors/wizards/thieves. That is more of their job not who they are, although they have their stereotypes to be sure. But this is not always the case.

4.Not only fuck the ending may it burn in the depths of Hades!!

See, part of my problem is I was mostly talking about film and television. If you're talking about video game combat - hell yeah I love fantasy fights but I don't like combat in video games. I think alternatatives are much more entertaining.

On the topic of setting for videogames specifically; I'd love for more open world science fiction. Though I suggest you give Deus Ex: Human Revoloution a go, as it has brilliant detail in setting and provides alternatives to combat (also, awesome melee take downs!).

Heh, Eragon is pretty poor example of Fantasy in my opinion, so I'm not sure it's worth me arguing through that (at the very least, I'm poorly informed - despite reading most of the books - to discuss it in anything more than vague terms).

However, in relation to magic, archetypal characters and relating to characters as a viewer/player/whatever then I really have to reassert my point. My creating a scenario in which an undefinable, unlimited power is a major factor in the narrative then the responses of the characters are driven into archetypal roles either due to poor writing or because there is no relevant reaction to magic that the audience would care about in anyway shape or form.

There are, of course, exceptions. I did say I loved both. Magic is a key part of fantasy, as fantasy without fantasy is, well, not-fantasy. It is however both one of the greatest elements of the genre and it's weakest. It does, however, need internal logic and thus "magic" in such a raw, undefined form is a negative element.

It's also worth noting science fiction can have quite the same problem as, like the great quote, "sufficently advance technology is indistinguisable from magic". However, in both cases this is evidence of bad writing.

Oh, and this is relevant and from one of my other posts in another thread:

...It's also is incapable of making anything but the broadest social/human commentaries which is overwhemlingly prevelant in fiction already.

Science Fiction on the otherhand tends to be the exact opposite. Even it's social/human commentaries have the potential to be deeper, and has a wide range of speculative moral and technological issues to discuss. When Science Fiction is grounded in potential relatity it creates more relatable characters then Fantasy can hope for as well.

Firefly, by the way, is the best science fiction television series ever. It's worth watching, especially if you like detail in setting.

 

[luna_moth]

I like them both depending on my mood
I guess I lean more towards fantasy though

 

[DustyDrB]

I prefer science fiction (which is a term I use broadly, so deal with it if you don't like that I include Star Wars). Writers and artists actually tend to be more creative with Sci-Fi. New races, new technology, etc. I love being dumped into a universe that is completely foreign to me. It makes every conversation a learning experience as well as a narrative experience.

Sci-fi. I enjoy older fantasy writers - Tolkein, Fritz Leiber, Michael Moorcock - but modern fantasy feels utterly generic to me. It's all Book this of the That Trilogy set in the Kingdom of Bleh where the Dark Lord of Meh has returned and...

This is how I view fantasy as well. There are exceptions, of course, and I enjoy those. But between the tropes that drain the fantasy from fantasy and the often lazy establishment of some sort of magic, the genre is overall much less interesting to me.

Off-topic rant
And people, we get that you can like both. But forced choice [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipsative] is a perfectly acceptable kind of poll. It makes you think more about which you really prefer. It also makes for a more interesting interesting discussion than a bunch of people just playing it safe and saying they love both.

 

[Cry Wolf]

Off-topic rant
And people, we get that you can like both. But forced choice [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipsative] is a perfectly acceptable kind of poll. It makes you think more about which you really prefer. It also makes for a more interesting interesting discussion than a bunch of people just playing it safe and saying they love both.

I don't want to derail the thread, but so much this. I'm getting really tired of all the "safe option" comments and polls with no really opinion to contribute to a discussion.

 

[Zakarath]

It depends. For books, if I'm in the mood for more adventure and heroism (and dragons), traditionally fantasy does a much better job of providing such. But if I'm looking for something that's a little drier and more intelligent/complex and not quite as clear-cut, I'll pick up one of my Sci-fi books. Not saying that sci-fi is always more intelligent than fantasy, but it often is the case.

In games, I still like both, but now it just depends more on the genre I feel like playing. If I want a space sim, I'll start up EVE or Evochon Mercenary; If I want an RPG I'll be starting up one of my Dragon Age Origins playthroughs or one of my Skyrim characters. And all those gamesa have seen heavy play from me.

 

[verdant monkai]

Off-topic rant
And people, we get that you can like both. But forced choice [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipsative] is a perfectly acceptable kind of poll. It makes you think more about which you really prefer. It also makes for a more interesting interesting discussion than a bunch of people just playing it safe and saying they love both.

I don't want to derail the thread, but so much this. I'm getting really tired of all the "safe option" comments and polls with no really opinion to contribute to a discussion.

Sniff...*wipes eyes* Thanks guys.

I knew if I made a pole with an I like them both option, there would just be people saying yeah they are both great, with the only discussion being criticism of my point of view, which should not be the main focus here. Instead of an on topic intelligent discussion.
We got a load of people whining about why they wanted to stay neutral, instead of examining relevant examples and coming to a conclusion.

 

[Scorekeeper]

Personally I prefer Fantasy because with Fantasy, you usually get to see more of the world the story is set in. Star Wars for example is guilty of this crime, all the planets have only one kind of environment(Tatooineesert Dagobah:Swamp Hoth:Tundra Naboo:huge grassy field), just looking at our own planet shows this is unrealistic, because we have a lot of different environments. With Fantasy you get to see all the diverse varied aspects of the world, not just one kind.

Listen, if you are going to talk about star wars, understand the planets and climates and all that.

Not all of the planets are like that for christs sake.

They go through seasons and all. Did you expect to see a planet for a full year? No?

Naboo is like earth. It has every type of season and climate.

So is Correllia.

So is endor.

Tat/Hoth/Dag are the exceptions.

Mustafar is a dying planet, it used to be like earth too.

So, before you accuse a certain series of being "One way" do some research, mmkay?

OT, I prefer sci-fi. Why? Because I don't like those damn knife ears.

Oh Christ a Star Wars Geek!

I do not care what you and your friends have cooked up, concerning Star Wars background. It is pretty obvious that the planet where they go at the end of the 2nd film is a desert everywhere (Geonosis I think), and that Kamino is a massive ocean. So how about you research it.
Yeah maybe some have seasons, but they were NOT SUGGESTED IN THE FILMS, which is where all the important cannon stuff happens, not the spin off bullshit. That is where I get my knowledge of the franchise from THE FILMS. So no I wont do any research on it thank you very much. You may want to read whole books on Star Wars trivia and side stories etc. but I don't. So dont accuse me of not being knowledgeable about Star Wars when you yourself are wrong.

No I do not dislike spin off's but I do dislike them being used in an argument against someone, who has actually seen the main thing.

You refuse to research the topic at hand and have the audacity to tell him to research Kamino. Are you unaware that Naboo is in the films you later profess to love? Do you honestly think that your knowledge of the subject surpasses QuenkerKing's? By the Force, his name is a reference to a small, armored rodent in the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

I used to bull's-eye poorly constructed arguments in my T-16 back home.

Why weren't they suggested in the films...oh...I don't know...Did you really want them to be on every planet for a full year seeing all the seasons?

If you didn't care about what us Star Wars Geeks have cooked up, don't accuse us for being a certain way.

So, take the pole from out of your ass and move on and don't touch star wars again with your ignorant brain.

They could for all I know have one season and I have seen the films, it doesn't matter what I WANT it is what I am SHOWN. And I am shown ONE season.

I did not accuse you of anything accept being wrong. And you are very very wrong as I mentioned two other single environment planets.

I love Star Wars (the films that is) especially Bobba Fett, I am not ignorant because I just proved you wrong on something you profess to be a fan of. If anything you are the ignorant one here, you are also childish because when confronted with a superior riposte to your accusation, you can only back up your point with an insult.

I rest my case.

The hypocrisy in this post is staggering. You accuse him of insulting you personally when he can't match your "superior riposte" after you've already attacked him personally. Are you familiar with logical fallacies? If not, I'd suggest following this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

That's no moon; it's verdant monkai's ego.

Spoiler: List of Star Wars planets and moons shown in the films

Alderaan - Episodes I (mentioned), III and IV
Anoat - Episode V (mentioned)
Ansion - Episode II (mentioned)
Bespin - Episodes V and VI (added scene)
Bogden - Episode II (mentioned)
Boz Pity - Episode III (mentioned)
Cato Neimoidia - Episode III (mentioned)
Corellia - Episode IV (mentioned)
Coruscant - Episodes I, II, III, and VI (added scene)
Dagobah - Episodes III (deleted scene), V, and VI
Dantooine - Episode IV (mentioned)
Endor (moon) - Episode VI
Felucia - Episode III
Geonosis - Episode II
Hoth - Episode V
Iego - Episode I (mentioned)
Kamino - Episode II
Kashyyyk - Episode III
Kessel (giant asteroid) - Episode IV (mentioned)
Malastare - Episode I (mentioned)
Mustafar - Episode III
Mygeeto - Episode III
Naboo - Episodes I, II, III, and VI (added scene)
Nar Shaddaa aka Smugglers' moon (moon) Episode IV (mentioned)
Ord Mantell aka Ord Mandell - Episode V (mentioned)
Polis Massa (asteroid) - Episode III
Quesh - The Old Republic
Saleucami - Episode III
Subterrel - Episode II (mentioned)
Sullust - Episode VI (mentioned)
Taanab - Episode VI (mentioned)
Tatooine - Episodes I, II, III, IV, V (mentioned), and VI
Tund - Episode I (mentioned)
Utapau - Episode III
Yavin - Episode IV
Yavin IV (moon) - Episode IV

As you can see, there are several planets depicted in the Star Wars films that cannot be presumed to be single biome planets/moons, many of which were introduced in Episode III. Those that were shown only for one scene can't be judged as having only a single biome if you refuse to do any research. By deliberately limiting your own pool of information, you cripple your ability to make a cogent argument.

You seem to have gotten so caught up in attacking QuenkerKing that you either ignored his point or didn't realize your claim that, "[A]ll the planets have only one kind of environment," was false. Even excluding the Expanded Universe, there are planets/moons depicted in the movies that show more than one type of environment. Typically, only a small portion of a planet will be shown, due to the Law of Conservation of Detail. While most planets can be categorized as frozen wasteland, arid wasteland, jungle, forest, swamp, and so on, not all can be. Sweeping generalizations, combined with absolutes, are almost never correct.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLawOfConservationOfDetail

Returning to your initial point, before your argument turned into a bantha poodoo-slinging contest, single biome planets can be rather boring. However, such planets exist in real life. Perhaps they're less suitable for life but that won't necessarily stop colonists. Diverse planets, such as our own, are comparatively rare. So rare, in fact, that this is the only such planet known to exist.

Regarding the poll, I enjoy both sci-fi and fantasy equally, with my preference being to mix them together.

 

[Dfskelleton]

I prefer Sci-Fi. Fantasy is supposed to be anything fantastical that doesn't require an explanation, but unfortunately it usually boils down to orcs, elves, dragons, you know the drill. Sci-Fi tends to be more varied.
Besides, I personally would rather have a malevolent AI for an antagonist than an evil wizard. I'd rather have lasers and super intricate techno-guns that raise people's blood temperature to 300 degrees celcius rather than fireballs or swords. That's just me, though.

 

[the Dept of Science]

Where's the option for magical realism?

One Hundred Years of Solitude, The Master and Margarita, Everything Is Illuminated, Kafka on the Shore...

 

[Anthony Wells]

I like them both. a project im working on combines elements of scifi (futuristic guns, machines, and vehicles) and fantasy (magical powers, all powerful goddess', massive energy blasts, superhuman abilities, magic (yes actual magic us humans can perform in it), different races like Naga's, Centuars, harpies, sirens, angels, succubi and incubi, Mermaids, etc) huge masses of devastation caused by powers, an overarching huge threat in the form of an all powerful god, destiny...stuff like that)

Whut sort of project? it sound like final fantasy 13 to me.

usually I stay the hell away from Sci fi/Fantasy (it is like mixing acid and face, the end result is an abomination). But I may be willing to give whatever you are doing a chance.

Currently its gonna be a self published novel...with plans for sequels (i have a whole huge trilogy planned out with more storyline afterwards) but for now its only an idea in my head and a few chapters on paper.

 

[Zenkem]

As someone who loves reading all the technical information of all the equipment, I frown upon the "It's magic, I don't have to explain" cop-out. Games like Planescape Torment have interesting magic items too, but I still prefer technical descriptions that sounds plausible in this universe.

Gameplaywise, running at and hacking something with a sword is more awkward than shooting multiple times.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

...Can't I like both? No? Well fine, that's your opinion. I genuinely like both Sci-Fi and Fantasy, and really can't pick one or the other...

 

[verdant monkai]

Personally I prefer Fantasy because with Fantasy, you usually get to see more of the world the story is set in. Star Wars for example is guilty of this crime, all the planets have only one kind of environment(Tatooineesert Dagobah:Swamp Hoth:Tundra Naboo:huge grassy field), just looking at our own planet shows this is unrealistic, because we have a lot of different environments. With Fantasy you get to see all the diverse varied aspects of the world, not just one kind.

Listen, if you are going to talk about star wars, understand the planets and climates and all that.

Not all of the planets are like that for christs sake.

They go through seasons and all. Did you expect to see a planet for a full year? No?

Naboo is like earth. It has every type of season and climate.

So is Correllia.

So is endor.

Tat/Hoth/Dag are the exceptions.

Mustafar is a dying planet, it used to be like earth too.

So, before you accuse a certain series of being "One way" do some research, mmkay?

OT, I prefer sci-fi. Why? Because I don't like those damn knife ears.

Oh Christ a Star Wars Geek!

I do not care what you and your friends have cooked up, concerning Star Wars background. It is pretty obvious that the planet where they go at the end of the 2nd film is a desert everywhere (Geonosis I think), and that Kamino is a massive ocean. So how about you research it.
Yeah maybe some have seasons, but they were NOT SUGGESTED IN THE FILMS, which is where all the important cannon stuff happens, not the spin off bullshit. That is where I get my knowledge of the franchise from THE FILMS. So no I wont do any research on it thank you very much. You may want to read whole books on Star Wars trivia and side stories etc. but I don't. So dont accuse me of not being knowledgeable about Star Wars when you yourself are wrong.

No I do not dislike spin off's but I do dislike them being used in an argument against someone, who has actually seen the main thing.

You refuse to research the topic at hand and have the audacity to tell him to research Kamino. Are you unaware that Naboo is in the films you later profess to love? Do you honestly think that your knowledge of the subject surpasses QuenkerKing's? By the Force, his name is a reference to a small, armored rodent in the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

I used to bull's-eye poorly constructed arguments in my T-16 back home.

Why weren't they suggested in the films...oh...I don't know...Did you really want them to be on every planet for a full year seeing all the seasons?

If you didn't care about what us Star Wars Geeks have cooked up, don't accuse us for being a certain way.

So, take the pole from out of your ass and move on and don't touch star wars again with your ignorant brain.

They could for all I know have one season and I have seen the films, it doesn't matter what I WANT it is what I am SHOWN. And I am shown ONE season.

I did not accuse you of anything accept being wrong. And you are very very wrong as I mentioned two other single environment planets.

I love Star Wars (the films that is) especially Bobba Fett, I am not ignorant because I just proved you wrong on something you profess to be a fan of. If anything you are the ignorant one here, you are also childish because when confronted with a superior riposte to your accusation, you can only back up your point with an insult.

I rest my case.

The hypocrisy in this post is staggering. You accuse him of insulting you personally when he can't match your "superior riposte" after you've already attacked him personally. Are you familiar with logical fallacies? If not, I'd suggest following this link:

Wait a second HAHAHA, look at the picture you posted then look at the massive list of made up planets or whatever it is, you posted. I hope you appreciate massive the irony here.

To people like you I just have to respond, GET A LIFE. You must have spent at least a quarter of an hour on that, list and the quotes. Get rid of your toy light sabre and get some vitamin D this weekend huh?

It is stupid of him to tell me to get my facts right, when he is wrong. If you don't like that tough. So.... yeah that was a 'poorly constructed argument' for sure.

You take Star Wars too seriously, I suggest you find a better use of your time. Although your little altered quotes are mildly amusing. If a bit pathetic and cringe worthy.
I thought of doing one for you, but I don't want to go down to your level.

Yes people like you and him annoy me, you think that just because someone who has seen the f*cking films says something that does not fit in with some Star Wars comic you have read, it is ok to rant at them because they are "wrong". So please don't try and de-construct arguments when you can barley make one with any solid grounds or reasonable accusations yourself.

On a more civil note that is fine if you enjoy sci fi and fantasy, even mixed together. That is personally not my preference at all. Because I generally like them to be separate, and have never found an example of said combination, that I have enjoyed.

 

[worldruler8]

Just for fun, I'll actually attempt to choose one of the two, though this will be difficult, since I love both for completely different reasons, so comparing them is both un-pedestrian and subjective.

I like scifi and all of its versions (science fantasy (Star Wars (original trilogy, not prequels)),speculative fiction, and hard science fiction (I found the Halo books to be this)), mainly for its attempt (minus the first version I said) to say "what is possible?" then "how can we make a story about this?". While Fantasy tends to be "what is an interesting scenario?" then "how can this be plausible?". Generally hard science fiction and "hard" fantasy (I'd say Elder Scrolls and Lord of the Rings are in this category) tends to be the former, while "soft" scifi and "high" fantasy tends to be the latter.

Because of this, I'd say I like science fiction better, as science fiction tends to be harder than fantasy is (overall), and speculative fiction (which is generally scifi, or at least scifi-related) can have interesting political messages.

 

[GrandmaFunk]

I just put everything under "speculative fiction" if it has a setting outside of our reality construct.

trying to pigeon hole everything into some odd fantasy/sci-fi binary never made sense to me because there's hundreds of sub-genres and hybrids.

 

[Scorekeeper]

Wait a second HAHAHA, look at the picture you posted then look at the massive list of made up planets or whatever it is, you posted. I hope you appreciate massive the irony here.

To people like you I just have to respond, GET A LIFE. You must have spent at least a quarter of an hour on that, list and the quotes. Get rid of your toy light sabre and get some vitamin D this weekend huh?

It is stupid of him to tell me to get my facts right, when he is wrong. If you don't like that tough. So.... yeah that was a 'poorly constructed argument' for sure.

You take Star Wars too seriously, I suggest you find a better use of your time. Although your little altered quotes are mildly amusing. If a bit pathetic and cringe worthy.
I thought of doing one for you, but I don't want to go down to your level.

Yes people like you and him annoy me, you think that just because someone who has seen the f*cking films says something that does not fit in with some Star Wars comic you have read, it is ok to rant at them because they are "wrong". So please don't try and de-construct arguments when you can barley make one with any solid grounds or reasonable accusations yourself.

On a more civil note that is fine if you enjoy sci fi and fantasy, even mixed together. That is personally not my preference at all. Because I generally like them to be separate, and have never found an example of said combination, that I have enjoyed.

Why thank you. It did take some time to type that. I'm so glad you appreciated it. And yes, I'm fully aware of the irony. I prefaced my reply with that image to highlight the absurdity of my post because I am nothing if not self-deprecating. I greatly enjoy irony in its every form. Besides, the picture was meant to depict me.

If anything you are the ignorant one here, you are also childish because when confronted with a superior riposte to your accusation, you can only back up your point with an insult.

I rest my case.

To people like you I just have to respond, GET A LIFE. You must have spent at least a quarter of an hour on that, list and the quotes. Get rid of your toy light sabre and get some vitamin D this weekend huh?

Is it my turn to laugh that you've yet to properly refute a single thing I've said? I must give you props, though. The first thing one learns when debating is that the best defense is a good offense. So, rather than defend your claims or attempt to explain the hypocrisy you've shown in your posts, you attack your false mental image of me. Bravo. Pointless though it may be to reply, I quite enjoy this sort of thing. Now, on to your argument, or lack thereof.

Ah, the old Get A Life Defense, so commonly used by those who are unable to make even the most rudimentary of arguments. This is often paired with a personal attack, to divert attention from the user's utter lack of support for his position. This defense is a misnomer, as it is, in fact, no defense, to which those who've slung it at skilled competitive multiplayer gamers can attest. Clearly, the one who actually knows what he's doing should just get a life, as no one with a life could possibly best the user of the Get A Life Defense. I do not have a Vitamin D deficiency, nor do I have a toy lightsaber. What I do have are friends, a job, college classes, and a beautiful girlfriend. Am I doing it right? Do I have a life? After all, you are obviously qualified to determine whether I do or not, since you've posted 20 times more than I have, despite joining more than 7 months after me.

I like how you claim to know what I think. Clearly, you are a telepathic mutant.

Regarding your claim that you've said something that doesn't fit in with some comic I've read, would it surprise you to discover that your claim doesn't fit with the movies themselves? QuenkerKing was not wrong. Not every planet had but one biome. Even discounting the Extended Universe, Naboo clearly had more than biome. Ignoring the view from space, which showed it to look much like Earth, we saw swamps, plains, and seas. Thus, Naboo could not be classified as the swamp planet, plains planet, or ocean planet. Your claim was nearly correct, but, alas, its absolute nature rendered it incorrect. If you'd simply admit to exaggerating, this would be over. Of course, that would mean admitting that your claim was incorrect.

Please excuse the following pedantic episode. 'Barley' is a type of grain, whereas 'barely' is an adverb. I presume your error was merely a typo. Regardless, thank you for your time and understanding.

I would say I do, in fact, know how to deconstruct an argument. If pointing out logical fallacies and factual inaccuracies doesn't constitute deconstructing an argument, what does? Also, I would say that I know how to formulate an argument. Mine is this: the depictions of Naboo's multiple biomes in Star Wars Episodes I and II invalidate your claim that every planet in Star Wars has but one type of environment, even excluding those depicted in the Expanded Universe.

As for the mixing of sci-fi and fantasy, I generally find the hardest sci-fi novels to be little more than science papers expanded to make books. I don't enjoy the works of authors whose skill at telling a story within their medium is inferior to their skills at their chosen fields. A good physicist, astronomer, mathematician, biologist, linguist, or whatnot may be good at what he does but that doesn't mean he's a good novelist. Regarding fantasy, I tend to dislike the lack of realism. Or, rather, the implications of very low technology. For example, the knight in shining armor urinates and defecates in said armor. Nearly everyone in a fantasy setting is likely to smell awful, due to having abominable hygiene.

I'm fond of mythology, magic, larger-than-life characters, and grand, sweeping tales of heroism and sacrifice. I also enjoy more personal tales of betrayal and vengeance, mystery and romance, action and adventure. I want my knights in shining armor to wield laser swords and wear power armor when they fight undead robot-dragons in space. Is that too much to ask?

 

[phantasmalWordsmith]

If I weren't able to have both...I'd guess I'd rather take fantasy. Mostly because it is the main genre of the roleplays I do and magic means I can usually get more than a little crazy; I try to emulate Mr Welch on a regular basis

 

[verdant monkai]

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Couldn't be asked reading any of that, You are obviously just insecure.

And with waay to much time on your hands btw, look at that beast you just wrote to try and justify someone else's argument about Star Wars.
Way I see it you are a desperately sad Star Wars nerd, post all the pop culture memes you want it does not win the argument. Or make my argument that he was wrong any less valid.

Plus it is about Star Wars it is a made up world so grow up.

 

[verdant monkai]

To people like you I just have to respond, GET A LIFE. You must have spent at least a quarter of an hour on that, list and the quotes. Get rid of your toy light sabre and get some vitamin D this weekend huh?

Congratulations, you are now the most deplorable person in this thread. Dismissing your opponent's argument under the speculative supposition that they don't get out as much as you do was getting old 10 years ago. I don't even care about what the argument was, saying something like that on a GAMING FORUM is grounds for digging yourself into one of the deepest holes imaginable.

On-topic: I don't really care much whether something is fantasy or sci-fi either way as long as it's the type that I like. Judging by pure concept, I'd have to say I find sci-fi more interesting just because the future is more interesting than the pseudo-past.

I'm still waiting for a good hybrid work with massive space battles fueled by magic. Futuristic fantasy, if you will. Maybe something set in the Spelljammer universe. That'd be interesting.

Oh come on he is trying to prove me wrong about Star Wars and I have just stopped giving a sh*t, take a look at the later posts. If he is willing to type behemoths about made up planets to justify an argument made by another star wars fan what can you do? apart from question if he is making good use of his time.......Wait I know fuck this thread.