I'm a fan of both series, but I just couldn't get into Skyrim in a big way. New Vegas and Fallout 3 are both games I love though. The sense of humor, interesting combat and engrossing world really pulled me in.
Poll: The Elder Scrolls vs. Fallout
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Loved Morrowind, but both Oblivion and Skyrim seem lesser games. Fallout 3 was great but with New Vegas, the stories and characters have been getting better. So to me it seems the Fallout series can only get better but TES series is getting less.
I absolutely despise Skyrim for the lack of interactivity. I play games for the plot and Fallout is consistently well written with human characters and flaws. Skyrim just made you "omg da drag0nb0rn!" and made you seperate to the world and with no consequences or ability to save anyone e.g. Gabriella in DB. Fallout had atmosphere made you feel like you came from nowhere.
Judge it on play times if you want
Skyrim 35 hours - I wish I hadn't ruined the old fond memories of Oblivion and Morrowind tbh.
Judge it on play times if you want
Skyrim 35 hours - I wish I hadn't ruined the old fond memories of Oblivion and Morrowind tbh.
I found that fallout was not better in every way, it was just funner in the long run where the elder scrolls lost my interest.
I'm more than happy with both.
They both do things right and wrong.
They both really draw me into their world and have awesome music.
If only there was a convenient meme I could use.
They both do things right and wrong.
They both really draw me into their world and have awesome music.
If only there was a convenient meme I could use.
TES seems to be better made but the fact that it is a game that has a heavy emphasis on combat and the combat has continually been terrible, slowly approaching acceptable with Skyrim, makes Fallout better. Fallout 3 had troubled mechanics but it was at least more complex than attack, power attack, block.
Granted, out of the whole history of both series, I've only played Skyrim and New Vegas, but I prefer TES from my experience with both. I prefer swords to guns, I prefer anything with magic/dragons by default (whether or not it's any good is to be tested), I honestly liked the level up system in Skyrim more than New Vegas, and I felt like it was more varied with what it had me do. Skyrim had fetch/go talk to this guy quests yeah, but it also had a lot of combat based missions. I felt like I did very little combat in New Vegas and I was mostly bored walking around the desert being sent to talk to person B for person A
Hmm... you make some good points. SPECIAL is a great system, and VATS was a great compromise that helped them stay true to the spirit of the originals. It is disappointing that they keep dumbing down TES in that area.loc978 said:
Still, I've always liked TES's approach to character improvement, because it makes so much sense: practice = improvement.
That's part of what makes the choice so hard. They're both good at what they do, it just comes down to personal preference.
True. I see a lot of people here who absolutely love the lore of the Elder Scrolls series... on the same level as my love for the lore of the Fallout series. As far as I've seen, it is a richly detailed fantasy world. Moreso than the Warha- err.. Warcraft universe or most other fantasy constructs. Still, for my dollar, Middle Earth does better than anything based on it.BeeGeenie said:
From a mechanical standpoint, I've seen too many games try the practice=improvement system. Most notoriously, Final Fantasy II. I've also seen many which tried to break down experience points into types based on actions taken (ex: Star Wars: Galaxies)... and that really slows down the process of character progression... even when compared to tabletop D&D (which was also most of my experience in cRPGs to the point when Morrowind came out... the same year as Neverwinter Nights, I might add).
For my preferences, I've never played a game more grindy than Morrowind. I probably have a good 50 hours into that game (a bit more than I have in Oblivion... not that I have a way of keeping track, both are PC hardcopies), more than half of them just performing the same action over and over to try to get strong enough to take down some mob or other. I guess that's why I could never suspend my disbelief for it. If you're shooting for realism in a game, there should be no visible number system regarding your stats... and if you're not, the system scratched down by Gary Gygax in the 70s just works as a better base. I would probably really enjoy TES if it were just based on a D20 system.
Well in order of the games I've played from both series, I would rank them:
1. Morrowind
2. Fallout 3
3. Oblivion
4. New Vegas
5. Skyrim
Not to say that I dislike any of them, it's just that Skyrim is the one I felt the least connection with and thus enjoyed least overall. However, Morrowind eclipses all the others so much in terms of how deep the world is I have to say TES. I'm also a sucker for generic high fantasy, before anyone comes at me with the 'sci-fi>fantasy' ordeal.
1. Morrowind
2. Fallout 3
3. Oblivion
4. New Vegas
5. Skyrim
Not to say that I dislike any of them, it's just that Skyrim is the one I felt the least connection with and thus enjoyed least overall. However, Morrowind eclipses all the others so much in terms of how deep the world is I have to say TES. I'm also a sucker for generic high fantasy, before anyone comes at me with the 'sci-fi>fantasy' ordeal.
This is such an unfair poll. I love both! The Elder Scrolls are packed with lore and awesomeness, but Fallout is also packed with lore and awesomeness! I CANNOT DECIDE! #unwarrentedangstandtears
In all seriousness, I'd have to say that when New Vegas is taken into account, Fallout has loads more humour than all of the Elder Scrolls games combined. The most Skyrim managed to whip up was a set of surprise appearances by Clavicius Vile, Hircine and Sheogorath. The rest of it is very much SRS BSNS.
Oh, right. There's Cicero too. I typically kill him as part of the Dark Brotherhood questline, though. He gets on my nerves so bad.
In all seriousness, I'd have to say that when New Vegas is taken into account, Fallout has loads more humour than all of the Elder Scrolls games combined. The most Skyrim managed to whip up was a set of surprise appearances by Clavicius Vile, Hircine and Sheogorath. The rest of it is very much SRS BSNS.
Oh, right. There's Cicero too. I typically kill him as part of the Dark Brotherhood questline, though. He gets on my nerves so bad.
Well, I've played three games from both series: Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, and Skyrim. Of those three I have finished both Fallouts AND both Fallout's DLCs. I'd say that Skyrim is better than Fallout 3, but New Vegas is better than Skyrim. Reason being is that Skyrim was stretched too thin for me, and I lost interest, while New Vegas had companions that felt fleshed out, and amazing DLC.
I know that there are more Elder Scrolls game then just Skyrim, but that's the only one I've played.
Oh! And I've played a bit of Fallout 1.
I know that there are more Elder Scrolls game then just Skyrim, but that's the only one I've played.
Oh! And I've played a bit of Fallout 1.
I have to base me decision entirely around Fallout 3 Vs Skyrim since those are the only ones I've played from each, but even then it's difficult.
I found Fallout 3 much more immersive but Skyrim was a damn lot more fun to explore and much prettier to look at. I think Skyrim wins but not by a whole lot. It's just that the Wasteland felt so... dull after a while. Not dull as in boring but, kinda boring to look at. It felt like it was all the same.
I found Fallout 3 much more immersive but Skyrim was a damn lot more fun to explore and much prettier to look at. I think Skyrim wins but not by a whole lot. It's just that the Wasteland felt so... dull after a while. Not dull as in boring but, kinda boring to look at. It felt like it was all the same.
I used to prefer TES games to the Fallout games. Fallout 3 was ok from what I remember, but I remember being turned off by the fact you couldn't continue playing after the ending. Initially, I wasn't all that impressed with New Vegas either.
Nearly two years later though, that opinion changed. I decided to give New Vegas a second chance and it ended up being one of my most favorite games of all time. I loved nearly everything about it. The story, characters, setting, gameplay, ect. It sorta made me wonder why I couldn't see all this when I first played.
It sort of made me look back on Oblivion and Skyrim. While there was a lot of things to do in those games, and they were kinda fun, the story and characters sorta fell flat with me. I feel that New Vegas did a far better job in that department.
The game even inspired me to play the first two games. And while I personally prefer how combat works in New Vegas, the games themselves were also quite fun.
I'd probably play through Fallout 3 again, but I have heard that the people who worked on that game weren't the same people who worked on 1,2, and New Vegas. So I'm not really sure I'll get that same enjoyment out of it as I did New Vegas.
So overall, I prefer the Fallout games to TES.
Nearly two years later though, that opinion changed. I decided to give New Vegas a second chance and it ended up being one of my most favorite games of all time. I loved nearly everything about it. The story, characters, setting, gameplay, ect. It sorta made me wonder why I couldn't see all this when I first played.
It sort of made me look back on Oblivion and Skyrim. While there was a lot of things to do in those games, and they were kinda fun, the story and characters sorta fell flat with me. I feel that New Vegas did a far better job in that department.
The game even inspired me to play the first two games. And while I personally prefer how combat works in New Vegas, the games themselves were also quite fun.
I'd probably play through Fallout 3 again, but I have heard that the people who worked on that game weren't the same people who worked on 1,2, and New Vegas. So I'm not really sure I'll get that same enjoyment out of it as I did New Vegas.
So overall, I prefer the Fallout games to TES.
Not really. You only lose a secondary effect. You're not in a battle and then going "Oh four. I mean five. I mean fuck! My sword broke and now I have none!" and then can't use it again. Or have to goi and repair it somewhere/somehow.Vorpal_Smilodon said:
Hmm, I don't know that I can really answer this. My first Bethesda game was Morrowind back when it was practically the only game in town that offered a veritable world to explore. Been hooked on them ever since.
Both IPs have the same kind of open world/exploration element. The differences are more thematic. 1950's post apocalyptic vs medieval era fantasy.
I mean... really, it just depends on what I'm feeling like on any given day. Sort of apples to oranges.
Both IPs have the same kind of open world/exploration element. The differences are more thematic. 1950's post apocalyptic vs medieval era fantasy.
I mean... really, it just depends on what I'm feeling like on any given day. Sort of apples to oranges.
Fallout for me. I have clocked in about 500 hours into Fallout 3 and I'm still finding "dungeons" to explore and loot to collect. I plowed through Skyrim in about two days and I have collected all of the rare loot and cleared out all of the dungeons twice. I'm not saying that I don't like TES, It's an amazing series and I think Bethesda should keep it up as it is an amazing franchise, It's just that I would pick Fallout over Arena/Daggerfall/Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim any day.
Hmm... A dilemma. On the one hand, one series lets you mow down waves of mutated animals/people with frickin' lazers while decked in naughty nightwear and singing along to jaunty big-band jingles from yesteryear, while another game lets you paralyze deer and punch them to death. Man, that is a tough call.
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You gotta understand, I reeeeeaally hate deer.
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You gotta understand, I reeeeeaally hate deer.