Poll: The Holocaust on repeat

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ranc0re

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Shit already went down in Rwanda. We said it would never happen again, and then bam, about a million dead in just a few months. I believe I heard (don't take my word for it) that it was the most efficient slaughter of humans in history. More people were dying per day than during the Holocaust.
 

Rooster Cogburn

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History is written by men, and anyone with power can write it. Genocide can happen again and will. Some war crimes matter and others do not, and the difference is not horror or statistics, but who won.

Sherman's war crimes don't matter. Neither do those of South Korea. Genocide works the same way.
 

The_Prophet

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NoMoreSanity said:
The genocide in the Sudan comes to mind.

EDIT: Also the genocide that happened in Yugoslavia a while back.
yaay, someone remembered.
And yeah there is shit all over the globe Rwanda, Sudan......
 

jules921

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Not on as large a scale as the Holocaust - but it happens all the time. Sudan is still having problems. China with Tibet and the Kurds from Iraq and Turkey. Also you see problems in the Middle East with Isreal and the Palestinians - from what I've read/heard in the Israeli invasion last month there was a complete disregard for the civilian populations. Its just now starting to come out how bad it was.

Jules
 

000Ronald

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A rule I live by;

If it has happened before, it can happen agian, and it will unless active steps are taken to prevent it.

Or, at least, that's what I think. I don't think it will happen, but I do think it can happen. Someone can try, to kill all the muslums, but a lot of people won't let them.

Apologies if this is a downer. It's not supposed to be.
 

The Wooster

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Flying-Emu said:
Nova Tendril said:
Genocide still occurs across the globe to this very day.
NoMoreSanity said:
The genocide in the Sudan comes to mind.

EDIT: Also the genocide that happened in Yugoslavia a while back.
Neither of those had eleven million people slain. I'm asking if the Holocaust, not genocide, could be repeated.
I'm not trying to pour oil on a fire here but a lot of people argue that eleven million is a vastly overestimated number.

Either way, any loss of life on that kind of scale is a terrible thing. I'd imagine it takes no more 'evil' to kill eleven million people than it does eleven thousand, just more pragmatism. What horrifies people the most, I think, is not that the Nazis killed a lot of people, that happens all the time and the world is non the wiser, but that they were good at it.
 

kawligia

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Not only CAN there be another holocaust, there WILL be another holocaust at some point in the future. There is no way to say when though.

It has happened multiple times throughout history and they only way to avoid it in the future is to have learned from the mistakes of the past. But if history has taught us anything, its that most people consistently refuse to learn from history.
 

Musicfreak

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I don't think a genocide on the same scale as the Holocaust will happen anytime soon. With todays electronic society It is very hard to keep things like genocide secret. It could occur in a third world country however but it is still unlikely that it would reach numbers as high as 11 million. major nations would begin to take notice, and most nations tend to heavily frown upon genocide.
 

oliveira8

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The Holocaust itself is genocide. It also didnt only happen to Jews alone. Black and Gypsys too were exterminatited by the Nazis.

Genocide was only considered crime after the Holocaust during the trials of Nuremberg and stands for "the extermination of racial and national groups".
 

PopperThingi

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The holocaust may very well repeat itself. All I hope is that this time we will not stand aside and do nothing.
 

Flying-Emu

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oliveira8 said:
The Holocaust itself is genocide. It also didnt only happen to Jews alone. Black and Gypsys too were exterminatited by the Nazis.

Genocide was only considered crime after the Holocaust during the trials of Nuremberg and stands for "the extermination of racial and national groups".
In my original post, I believe I noted "dissidents of the Third Reicht" or something to that effect, which would encompass blacks and Egyptians. And I actually posted a definition of genocide as defined by Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, did you not read the original post?

Kukul said:
"Holocaust" is a Jewish term heavily related to religion, genocide is genocide. Will it ever be that massive again? Sure, why not? We have nuclear bombs now, remember?
Goodbye is a heavily religious term. It was derived from the medieval saying "God be with you".

What's your point? Non-Jewish people still call the slaughter of eleven million people during Hitler's reign the Holocaust. It's a name, not a definition. Perhaps I should have rephrased it as "Could something along the scale of the Holocaust happen once again?"

A nuclear strike would not be defined as a genocide, because genocide is defined as the systematic killing of a racial, religious, or national group. A nuclear strike is indiscriminate, unless a group of people were forced into one area and then the bomb dropped.

Decoy Doctorpus said:
I'm not trying to pour oil on a fire here but a lot of people argue that eleven million is a vastly overestimated number.
Those aren't baseless estimates. They are based in fact. The Nazi's kept disturbingly tthourogh and accurate records. They recorded how many people were killed in what way, on what days, and how long the methods took.

They developed a science around this. Some of the records were destroyed, yes, but still.
 

oliveira8

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Flying-Emu said:
oliveira8 said:
The Holocaust itself is genocide. It also didnt only happen to Jews alone. Black and Gypsys too were exterminatited by the Nazis.

Genocide was only considered crime after the Holocaust during the trials of Nuremberg and stands for "the extermination of racial and national groups".
In my original post, I believe I noted "dissidents of the Third Reicht" or something to that effect, which would encompass blacks and Egyptians. And I actually posted a definition of genocide as defined by Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, did you not read the original post?
But the holocaust is a form of Genocide. Hell it was what made it a crime. The trials of Nuremberg stated the Holocaust as Genocide.
 

Flying-Emu

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oliveira8 said:
Flying-Emu said:
oliveira8 said:
The Holocaust itself is genocide. It also didnt only happen to Jews alone. Black and Gypsys too were exterminatited by the Nazis.

Genocide was only considered crime after the Holocaust during the trials of Nuremberg and stands for "the extermination of racial and national groups".
In my original post, I believe I noted "dissidents of the Third Reicht" or something to that effect, which would encompass blacks and Egyptians. And I actually posted a definition of genocide as defined by Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, did you not read the original post?
But the holocaust is a form of Genocide. Hell it was what made it a crime. The trials of Nuremberg stated the Holocaust as Genocide.
True, but the Holocaust is a name for the genocide that occurred during WWII. We could call World War II a war, but no one would know which war we were talking about, since there have been multiple.
 

oliveira8

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Flying-Emu said:
oliveira8 said:
Flying-Emu said:
oliveira8 said:
The Holocaust itself is genocide. It also didnt only happen to Jews alone. Black and Gypsys too were exterminatited by the Nazis.

Genocide was only considered crime after the Holocaust during the trials of Nuremberg and stands for "the extermination of racial and national groups".
In my original post, I believe I noted "dissidents of the Third Reicht" or something to that effect, which would encompass blacks and Egyptians. And I actually posted a definition of genocide as defined by Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, did you not read the original post?
But the holocaust is a form of Genocide. Hell it was what made it a crime. The trials of Nuremberg stated the Holocaust as Genocide.
True, but the Holocaust is a name for the genocide that occurred during WWII. We could call World War II a war, but no one would know which war we were talking about, since there have been multiple.
Yeah. But the Holocaust was the first one to be billed as Genocide. Genocides after that one got names too(Sadly it keeps repeting..but not on the proportions of the Holocaust.).

Tho the Spanish conquest of South America should have close numbers to the Holocaust. Or the same impact.(I'm one of those that dont believe that many South American civilizations got wiped out by the diseases that the europeans brought to the Americas.)