I think we should all stop arguing about updates and what not and do what normal people do, which is play the game!! all this arguing over the piston update is pointless, you should be turning you're focus instead towards the biggest changer of the game which is the adventure update. but thats not even out yet, so can't we all just enjoy the game for what it is right now, and if Notch adds something, it'll change the way we play Minecraft. so what if that last copy/pasted from nearly every Apple keynote address? learn to accept change people, Live the Dream!
Poll: The State of Minecraft
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I would love to see more substantial updates, but he can't do everything. At least he encourages mods and knows his limits instead of pushing a lot of buggy shit that wasn't very well thought out.
Yeah, I'd like to see Notch crank it up a notch with the update frequency and backwards / mod compatibility, but his actions seem to be focused on getting the core game in order for the official launch Q4 2011.
I don't have any strong opinions about whether he's doing "right or wrong" by Minecraft, but I don't think he should be "replaced"... At most, maybe hire some more staff help? He's certainly not skint for funds at this point.
But the real "problem" is actually a good thing in disguise. Minecraft has one of the most dedicated and ambitious mod communities going right now and is absolutely flooded with new interesting ideas. As much as that's got to delight Notch, it probably also daunts him that the community around his creation is developing it faster than he is - consequently, he seems to be fairly conservative about only adding things that everyone will be able to enjoy or at least tolerate and succeeding to popular demand for specific additions, while still trying to focus on his original and revised goals for his game.
I think a lot of these kinds of issues will become obsolete once he has 'finalized' the game and the modders are less disrupted by updates. Though it's a wonderful thing to see and understandably frustrating if you make a mod work after a lot of testing and it breaks with a new update, these people do have to realize they are modding BETA software.
All will be well in time and both Notch and the Mod community will get their due praise.
I don't have any strong opinions about whether he's doing "right or wrong" by Minecraft, but I don't think he should be "replaced"... At most, maybe hire some more staff help? He's certainly not skint for funds at this point.
But the real "problem" is actually a good thing in disguise. Minecraft has one of the most dedicated and ambitious mod communities going right now and is absolutely flooded with new interesting ideas. As much as that's got to delight Notch, it probably also daunts him that the community around his creation is developing it faster than he is - consequently, he seems to be fairly conservative about only adding things that everyone will be able to enjoy or at least tolerate and succeeding to popular demand for specific additions, while still trying to focus on his original and revised goals for his game.
I think a lot of these kinds of issues will become obsolete once he has 'finalized' the game and the modders are less disrupted by updates. Though it's a wonderful thing to see and understandably frustrating if you make a mod work after a lot of testing and it breaks with a new update, these people do have to realize they are modding BETA software.
All will be well in time and both Notch and the Mod community will get their due praise.
Just what are you trying to accomplish with this point you are raising? I agree with everyone saying that there would be no modding community if not for Notch, and Mojang does not deserve hate just because they haven't been throwing loads of new content at us. But let's say, for example, you are right and Mojang is incompetent. What do you want to do, take away their rights to make the game and throw the source code to whoever wants it? Great quality control plan. If you want modded content, it exists already, and nothing is stopping you from adding to the apparently insubstantial vanilla experience.
Despite the fact that you are coming off as massively entitled here, I actually have a legitimate reason why your point isn't really correct. Yes, the better than wolves mod added tons of stuff. But you know what? Once I have downloaded the minecraft coder pack, I can create a new block in about 30 seconds. It's super easy to just create random shit in minecraft because of how simple the game is. You know what isn't simple? Actually DESIGNING a game, making sure that what you create is fun instead of just throwing a bunch of useless, imbalanced bullshit into the game. He designs slowly, yes, largely because his company is made of only a few programmers who work not only on the minecraft everyone know and plays, but also the pocket edition, and their other game, scrolls. That's three games split between only a handful of people who, neyond that, just seem to WANT to design slowly and make sure everything is fun before they release it. Yes, notch did fuck up with the wolves update (imo), they're annoying and kinda pointless. But you know what? That's one bad feature.
Don't even say that he pulled an "obsidian" on us. He fixed HUNDREDS of bugs at once and had no real way to playtest it before releasing it. Then, he had most of the new bugs fixed in a few days, instead of the obsidian approach of just never fixing them. Plus, this is a BETA. Of course it's buggy. As for the pistons point. Yes, someone already made them. It was a mod before. That was the point. Everyone wanted the pistons to be added because, well, it was a good idea, so he added them. He isn't releasing much right now because he is working on the adventure update, which from what he has said seems to be a boatload of new content along with a complete overhaul of some of the game systems. Yeah he seems to take a lot of vacations. Guess what, other developers have vacations as well. They just don't tell everyone. He isn't a bad developer. He simply doesn't have dozens of PR guys hired to make sure he comes off as perfect.
Don't even say that he pulled an "obsidian" on us. He fixed HUNDREDS of bugs at once and had no real way to playtest it before releasing it. Then, he had most of the new bugs fixed in a few days, instead of the obsidian approach of just never fixing them. Plus, this is a BETA. Of course it's buggy. As for the pistons point. Yes, someone already made them. It was a mod before. That was the point. Everyone wanted the pistons to be added because, well, it was a good idea, so he added them. He isn't releasing much right now because he is working on the adventure update, which from what he has said seems to be a boatload of new content along with a complete overhaul of some of the game systems. Yeah he seems to take a lot of vacations. Guess what, other developers have vacations as well. They just don't tell everyone. He isn't a bad developer. He simply doesn't have dozens of PR guys hired to make sure he comes off as perfect.
I think that him putting pistons in as an update is a good idea as there is still people like me that install a mod to save there goldfish life. Anyway making a game is harder than it seems. If it does take him some time for him to patch his game then it could be for a number of reasons that we do not know. Oh and Minecraft isn't in any state.
Know what Im disappointed in some of the mods warnings and suspensions in this tread, they really dont deserve it! I do agree with then as your being really entitled, and know what he obvously has an idea of what he is doing since he has pretty much soley made this game, what have you done Hmm? Not to mention he is a fucking milleniare with his own damn company. Wolves were a AWESOME addition to the game, you dont like it you can stop playing minecraft, if you dont like where this is going dont play it, as it is and will FOREVER be notch's own game. Bte notch didnt make the wolves ya dip Jeb did. I feel that your raging in this thread and I think your jealous at how sucsessful Notch is.
Uh, in a game with as much modding potential as minecraft, you're better off making the best canvas possible, rather than going ahead and painting in crap people might not like.
Besides, modders mod for fun, developers develop for work. When have you ever done as much work at work as someone who does something for fun?
Besides, modders mod for fun, developers develop for work. When have you ever done as much work at work as someone who does something for fun?
The only thing that needs to be said now is this: Mods don't add anything to minecraft! They help it, but as they aren't neccessary and are out-dated every couple months, they become almost pointless. I personally don't play minecraft enough to keep up with his supposedly slow rate of updating.
Yeah I think this thread is done now.
Also, someone said that he/she hated being left in the dark about 1.8. I personally enjoy it, because the few hints, like scarce images and tweets, hint at something really exciting that would quickly make the wait for 1.8 become normal and somewhat boring if the information was handed to us on a silver platter. It keeps us in suspense.
Now I'm done!
I think... Creepers!
Yeah I think this thread is done now.
Also, someone said that he/she hated being left in the dark about 1.8. I personally enjoy it, because the few hints, like scarce images and tweets, hint at something really exciting that would quickly make the wait for 1.8 become normal and somewhat boring if the information was handed to us on a silver platter. It keeps us in suspense.
Now I'm done!
I think... Creepers!
Its HIS game HE should be the one to see it through to the end. i see what your trying to say but your coming off as just being impatient and ungreatful. and to everyone saying that he should just impliment the mods that everyone has already made, He and his team spend a lot of time thinking about how this will affect the game. For instance pistons. if he had kept them the exact same then they would have a few issues with them. The first being that they would be pretty hard to distinguish from iron blocks. Another being that, say you just made this great new fort in multiplayer, well now someone can just jump over all the fences by using a piston to launch himself over that wall. Its not easy to make sure that these updates dont ruin the rest of minecraft. Thats just how i feel though.
Maybe I have this backwards, but I never considered a strong modding community to be an insult to the guy who made the game.
At no point does having a large variety of mods justify the argument that he must be doing something wrong to create a game that has such variety for imagination.
Saying "oh well this is what can be done" and using mods as examples isn't that strong either, because half of them are unstable and have their own problems.
Can happily understand that you want more faster, but this seems like an odd leap of logic.
At no point does having a large variety of mods justify the argument that he must be doing something wrong to create a game that has such variety for imagination.
Saying "oh well this is what can be done" and using mods as examples isn't that strong either, because half of them are unstable and have their own problems.
Can happily understand that you want more faster, but this seems like an odd leap of logic.
I'm of the opinion that it's his game and he should be working on it as long as he wishes. Just as I don't have George Lucas for the prequels, it's (partially) his brain child and he reserves the right to take it where he wants.
However I do think that once something has been released, it belongs to humanity (not in a financial sense, in a more arty sense) and the fact that I can't buy the original Star Wars movies on BluRay or DVD pisses me off. Yeah, he didn't get to make the movie how he wanted, he should be able to make a re-do, but he shouldn't retcon the entire franchise and deny fans the originals.
(Same reason people are pissed off about
)
However I do think that once something has been released, it belongs to humanity (not in a financial sense, in a more arty sense) and the fact that I can't buy the original Star Wars movies on BluRay or DVD pisses me off. Yeah, he didn't get to make the movie how he wanted, he should be able to make a re-do, but he shouldn't retcon the entire franchise and deny fans the originals.
(Same reason people are pissed off about
Lilliana being at the end of DA2 even if they killed her, but the same isn't true of Zevran? Why not? Why is his death more important that hers?
Here's a notion, Topic creator.
Mod communities have something Notch doesn't.
Freedom.
You see, a modder can make a flying pig with dragon wings mod, and some people will find it AWESOME and whine why Notch didn't implement this. People who dislike this can just skip the Mod.
Notch can't afford that freedom.
If Notch implements something it's in the main game, it's not optional.
He has to balance new ideas with the vision he has for minecraft.
As for the argument that Minecraft would have been dead if it wasn't for the mods.
Been playing since Alpha and only have the Simple Texture pack installed.
No mods for me, thank you.
Mod communities have something Notch doesn't.
Freedom.
You see, a modder can make a flying pig with dragon wings mod, and some people will find it AWESOME and whine why Notch didn't implement this. People who dislike this can just skip the Mod.
Notch can't afford that freedom.
If Notch implements something it's in the main game, it's not optional.
He has to balance new ideas with the vision he has for minecraft.
As for the argument that Minecraft would have been dead if it wasn't for the mods.
Been playing since Alpha and only have the Simple Texture pack installed.
No mods for me, thank you.
Man, Strong Bad would have a field day with you. First I'd like to correct all the spelling and grammar mistakes in your post.this isnt my name said:
It's not self-entitlement to pay for a game, and expect a game out of it. I gave $10, the company gives me a game, that is the basis of ownership; I kind of AM entitled to a game. (That is, a working game that is maintained sanely, without auto-update breaking itself) People who buy a game and somehow can't run it, then complain? Justified. People buy a game with a certain promise in mind (double multiplayer perks!) that simply isn't true, and complain? Justified. People who buy a game with online DRM that all too often just doesn't work, and complain? Justified.this isnt my name said:
People complain when a company provides poor service that they paid for. Renaming it "whining" doesn't make it any more wrong.
And there are other indie games I play that come out with paid DLC all the time. Most of them, I'm fine with. They don't auto-update their own game with game-breaking bugs.
