Poll: The Wii - Where are the games?

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I reckon if The Escapist deleted all of the posts that were small minded, pathetic attempts to attack Nintendo's hardware there would be about 2 pages left...

If they went on to delete all the Pro Pc Gaming propaganda you'd be down to about 5 threads.

Amongst those 5 threads would be at least 3 post in which you can see this:

1 Super Mario Galaxy 2007 97
2 Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The 2006 95
3 World of Goo 2008 94
4 Super Smash Bros. Brawl 2008 93
5 Rock Band 2 2008 92
6 Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition 2007 91
7 Okami 2008 90
8 Metroid Prime 3: Corruption 2007 90
9 Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure 2007 87
10 Bomberman Blast 2008 86
11 Guitar Hero World Tour 2008 86
12 Tetris Party 2008 86
13 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 2007 86
14 Super Paper Mario 2007 85
15 MaBoShi: The Three Shape Arcade 2008 85
16 Boom Blox 2008 85
17 No More Heroes 2008 83
18 MLB Power Pros 2007 83
19 Mega Man 9 2008 83
20 Call of Duty: World at War 2008 83
21 WarioWare: Smooth Moves 2007 83
22 Bully: Scholarship Edition 2008 83
23 Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 2008 83
24 Art Style: ORBIENT 2008 82
25 Pinball Hall of Fame: The Williams Collection 2008 82
26 Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 2: Strong Badia the Free 2008 82
27 Mario Kart Wii 2008 82
28 Madden NFL 09 All-Play 2008 82
29 de Blob 2008 81
30 Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 4: Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective 2008 81
31 Madden NFL 07 2006 81
32 Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 5: 8-Bit is Enough 2008 81
33 LostWinds 2008 80
34 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09 All-Play 2008 80
35 LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga 2007 80
36 Rock Band 2008 80
37 Trauma Center: Second Opinion 2006 80
38 FIFA Soccer 09 All-Play 2008 80
39 WWE SmackDown vs. RAW 2009 2008 80
40 Geometry Wars: Galaxies 2007 80
41 Wii Fit 2008 80
42 Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King 2008 80
43 BlastWorks: Build, Trade, Destroy 2008 80
44 Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 3: Baddest of the Bands 2008 79
45 Toki Tori 2008 79
46 MLB Power Pros 2008 2008 79
47 Mario Strikers Charged 2007 79
48 Shaun White Snowboarding: Road Trip 2008 78
49 Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn 2007 78
50 LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures 2008 78
 

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Haru_Elric said:
Back when I started gaming, I was given two choices, Sega MegaDrive, Or SNES. Most the games, albeit hard, were enjoyable back then. These days, we have many formats to play shiny games and it seems that the Wii is being played too much to the "Non-Serious" Gamer

The only good games that I've managed to play for the Wii are Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3 and well Wii Sports.

I know that everything is a business and companies must evolve to meet the needs of the current generation, but have you been to a game store and seen the Wii Section? I saw items such as "Mario Party 8", "Dora and the snow Princess", "Wii Fit", "Guitar Hero: World Tour" and Crap games like 20 in 1 Carnival games all more costly that the games I have actually enjoyed.

Will Nintendo ever start making games that the Serious Gaming Community will enjoy, or just this garbage that wont get a second glance?
So you have not played Resident Evil4, Zelda ttp, Resident Evil umbrella chronicles, manhunt2, godfather blackhand edition, CoD WaW, no more heroes and all the other good games on Wii? Your fault, not Nintendos ;)
 

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I'm never gonna regret buying my Wii. There are a lot of good games and as long as your willing to accept the my "graphics shmaphics" motto, I'd say it's the best.

- Metroid Prime 3
- Smash Bros. Brawl
- Twilight Princess

etc etc etc
 

Snake422

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The only game on the Wii that I'm remotely interested in is Super Smash Bros: Brawl other then that I see the Wii as the worlds most expensive board game.
 

I3uster

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Its like marmite, either you hate it or you love it, if you hate it keep your mouth shut, then the ones who love it will keep theirs shut.

And the ps2 had so much bad games it isnt even possible, still it was one of the most succesful consoles of all time.
That doesnt mean that everyone bought it for the lassie game.
 

Haru_Elric

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HuCast said:
Haru_Elric said:
Back when I started gaming, I was given two choices, Sega MegaDrive, Or SNES. Most the games, albeit hard, were enjoyable back then. These days, we have many formats to play shiny games and it seems that the Wii is being played too much to the "Non-Serious" Gamer

The only good games that I've managed to play for the Wii are Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3 and well Wii Sports.

I know that everything is a business and companies must evolve to meet the needs of the current generation, but have you been to a game store and seen the Wii Section? I saw items such as "Mario Party 8", "Dora and the snow Princess", "Wii Fit", "Guitar Hero: World Tour" and Crap games like 20 in 1 Carnival games all more costly that the games I have actually enjoyed.

Will Nintendo ever start making games that the Serious Gaming Community will enjoy, or just this garbage that wont get a second glance?
So you have not played Resident Evil4, Zelda ttp, Resident Evil umbrella chronicles, manhunt2, godfather blackhand edition, CoD WaW, no more heroes and all the other good games on Wii? Your fault, not Nintendos ;)
Twilight Princess - Enjoyable, but more of the same as the other 13 games with another girl captured
Resident Evil (Series) - Never liked it, so shit in my opinion (Though many say otherwise)
Godfather - Huh? Never heard of that till I read up on it, seems to be a GTA clone, how nice
COD - Can play on better consoles, like PC
No More Heroes - On my to get list actually, if anywhere would stock it for less that £40 ¬¬

Keep naming games.
 

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beddo said:
Secondly they keep making games that need new peripherals (or allowing and certifying third parties to) or at least are better with them or designed around them, for example:

Wii Shooter (Crossbow Training)
Wii Wheel (Mario Kart Wii)
Balance Board (Wii Fit)
Microphone (Animal Crossing)

What's next!? A penis enlarger for their new title; Voyer Subway Adventures.
i'm not sure what this has to do with producing shovelware, but if you're complaining about the added cost of buying peripherals, i'd point out that you're still paying less than you would for a game on a competing system.

beddo said:
Wii Fit and the Balance Board was a very neat and creative idea, and while I haven't gotten around to buying it yet (because of the price), I know a lot of people who appreciate it.
Wii Fit is unique. It is essentially pointless, the games are boring and the exercises could easily be performed without the balance board. Again, another one of those things we don't need but are convinced we do.
tell that to these people:

http://blog.cleveland.com/health/2008/06/wii_fit_nintendo_game_makes_ph.html
http://www.asianweek.com/2008/11/11/getting-wii-fit-doctor-pioneers-wii-hab-for-physical-rehabilitation-treatment/
http://www.childsplaycharity.org/letter11.php

games you don't like aren't necessarily bad games.
 

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Haru_Elric said:
Twilight Princess - Enjoyable, but more of the same as the other 13 games with another girl captured
Resident Evil (Series) - Never liked it, so shit in my opinion (Though many say otherwise)
Godfather - Huh? Never heard of that till I read up on it, seems to be a GTA clone, how nice
COD - Can play on better consoles, like PC
No More Heroes - On my to get list actually, if anywhere would stock it for less that £40 ¬¬

Keep naming games.
But, hang on, your original point was that there are no good "hardcore" (my God I'm beginning to hate that term now) games for the Wii, HuCast names 5, and I could go on to name Okami, Boom Blox, the upcoming Madworld, Sam and Max, Manhunt 2, Trauma Center, all the classic first-party big hitters and an incredibly impressive Virtual Console library to prove you wrong. Your personal taste about Resident Evil or whatever isn't relevant here.

I remember when the 360 was released and the intarwebz was aflame with talk of a style over substance generation with dazzling graphics but not much else. The Wii came along with a focus on doing something different instead of graphics and it is criticised for being gimmicky and too "casual". Well, whoop-de-do, Nintendo expanded their audience. Good for them. They have never stated their audience is the casual gamer, rather they want to include everyone.

They haven't forgotten you whiny, self-proclaimed "hardcore" types.

They haven't "sold out".

They're taking gaming in a new direction that EVERYONE can follow.
 

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I actually took the batteries out of the control to use for the 360 remote and I think that was the most useful thing for it...I played Wario Ware Smooth Moves and Mario Galaxy along with Twilight Princess but apart from that games are lacking in ungimmick ness
 

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GuerrillaClock said:
Haru_Elric said:
Twilight Princess - Enjoyable, but more of the same as the other 13 games with another girl captured
Resident Evil (Series) - Never liked it, so shit in my opinion (Though many say otherwise)
Godfather - Huh? Never heard of that till I read up on it, seems to be a GTA clone, how nice
COD - Can play on better consoles, like PC
No More Heroes - On my to get list actually, if anywhere would stock it for less that £40 ¬¬

Keep naming games.
But, hang on, your original point was that there are no good "hardcore" (my God I'm beginning to hate that term now) games for the Wii, HuCast names 5, and I could go on to name Okami, Boom Blox, the upcoming Madworld, Sam and Max, Manhunt 2, Trauma Center, all the classic first-party big hitters and an incredibly impressive Virtual Console library to prove you wrong. Your personal taste about Resident Evil or whatever isn't relevant here.

I remember when the 360 was released and the intarwebz was aflame with talk of a style over substance generation with dazzling graphics but not much else. The Wii came along with a focus on doing something different instead of graphics and it is criticised for being gimmicky and too "casual". Well, whoop-de-do, Nintendo expanded their audience. Good for them. They have never stated their audience is the casual gamer, rather they want to include everyone.

They haven't forgotten you whiny, self-proclaimed "hardcore" types.

They haven't "sold out".

They're taking gaming in a new direction that EVERYONE can follow.
(Never used the term hardcore, i used serious)
And i'm not complaining about the backlog of titles, I'm complaining about the fact that because the wii is expanding it's horizons and adhering to the current generation, they are just continuing to add more of the same. Trauma center is new concept which came along with the DS and Wii, yeah, it gets it's kudos. However, i'd like to see some innovate new concepts, rather than more of the same. I like wii sports because it was the original game that showed what the wii was capable of (And needless to say some of the best times i've had with my wii is drinking and playing tennis), but when actually implement it, it seems like a waste of time really as most of that new technology is wasted on poor ideas or bad story.

Oh, virtual console as well, Don't enjoy the idea of paying so much for a game that you could just as easily find an emulator and rom file for.

I do enjoy Nintendo's gusto for trying to appeal to everyone, "but try to please everyone and no one will like it". I'm just saying that most of the ideas that the Wii is capable of is been wasted so far.
 

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Haru_Elric said:
-snip-
(Never used the term hardcore, i used serious)
And i'm not complaining about the backlog of titles, I'm complaining about the fact that because the wii is expanding it's horizons and adhering to the current generation, they are just continuing to add more of the same. Trauma center is new concept which came along with the DS and Wii, yeah, it gets it's kudos. However, i'd like to see some innovate new concepts, rather than more of the same. I like wii sports because it was the original game that showed what the wii was capable of (And needless to say some of the best times i've had with my wii is drinking and playing tennis), but when actually implement it, it seems like a waste of time really as most of that new technology is wasted on poor ideas or bad story.

Oh, virtual console as well, Don't enjoy the idea of paying so much for a game that you could just as easily find an emulator and rom file for.

I do enjoy Nintendo's gusto for trying to appeal to everyone, "but try to please everyone and no one will like it". I'm just saying that most of the ideas that the Wii is capable of is been wasted so far.
The rant wasn't aimed at you in particular, rather at the general criticisms of Nintendo that I constantly see and hear, and for the life of me can't see the validity in. I wish more constructive arguments could be raised as opposed to bashing the casual market. All the time.

I wouldn't say the Wii has been wasted, as the "serious" titles don't really need to make massive use of the motion controls. Yes, they feel a little crowbarred in on Galaxy and the like but you can't really blame Nintendo for trying to implement them and it isn't really detrimental to the game. I'm not sure what you're getting at when you say the Wii "isn't fulfilling its' potential". It has lots of quality titles, more than the PS3 I'd say (certainly in terms of exclusives) so what exactly were you expecting? Even more gimmicky shovelware? Lots of games make excellent use of the Wii's innovations, as mentioned Trauma Center, Okami is an excellent port, and its' perfectly suited to adventure games like Zack & Wiki and Sam & Max, as well as first person games like Metroid Prime. This isn't even starting on WiiWare titles.

Oh, and as for the VC, saying "I could just pirate it" isn't a valid argument. I could just pirate every PC game ever made, but it doesn't make the PC any less of a quality format to play games on.
 

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GuerrillaClock said:
They're taking gaming in a new direction that EVERYONE can follow.
I don't plan on following any company that has put more focus on making gaming more non-game like (see Wii Fit) and where every game is dumbed down to the point where it fails to be fun for me anymore. Shovelware is something NOBODY should be following.

You can point to the 360/PS3's push for higher and more impressive graphics and the Wii's push for new kinds of ways to play games, but that doesn't change the fact that the 360/PS3's library is far more impressive than the Wii's is or that a large majority of Wii games don't actually use the Wii controller in a way that makes playing the game more substantial than if you were using a standard controller.

Basically, what the Wii has ultimately come to represent is potential squandered.
 

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No, they won't.

Until they do another Mario Platformer/ Zelda or even somthing different :D

But some of the best games on Wii are third party games like Okami and No More Heros
 

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Joeshie said:
Shovelware is something NOBODY should be following.
Maybe don't buy the shovelware then? It exists on every format and the only reason the Wii has more is because it sold so well, leading third parties to jump on the bandwagon. The Wii has plenty of quality titles if you were willing to look past all the internet flaming going on.

Joeshie said:
You can point to the 360/PS3's push for higher and more impressive graphics and the Wii's push for new kinds of ways to play games, but that doesn't change the fact that the 360/PS3's library is far more impressive than the Wii's is
In your opinion. The 360 probably has the strongest library of all the consoles, but the PS3? It has LBP that interests me, and although I hate MGS 4 I can see that it is well-recieved. By my count, that makes a total of two worthwhile exclusives. Motorstorm? Resistance? The very definition of 'meh'.

Joeshie said:
a large majority of Wii games don't actually use the Wii controller in a way that makes playing the game more substantial than if you were using a standard controller.
Trauma Center? WarioWare? Okami? MK Wii? Umbrella Chronicles? Need I go on? No, not all of the Wii titles make epic use of the controller but not all of them need to.

Joeshie said:
I don't plan on following any company that has put more focus on making gaming more non-game like (see Wii Fit) and where every game is dumbed down to the point where it fails to be fun for me anymore.
Aaaaand I've saved the stupidest point for last. As I've addressed before in this thread, Nintendo haven't shifted their focus to non-games, rather they've shifted and expanded towards making games for as many people as possible. You assume just because a game seems dumbed down to you that everyone sees it that way? If I wanted to get a game for my girlfriend, I wouldn't get her STALKER. The Wii manages to appeal to the casual audience while still keeping enough solid "hardcore" (that bloody word again) titles for those who are open-minded enough to look past all the shovelware. Honestly, you think bringing out DevilWorld is for the casual market? Have you seen the tactical depth to be drawn out of titles like SSBB and MK Wii? Those games have a hardcore following. Considering it has only been out 2 years the Wii has a considerable number of solid titles, granted not all massive innovations towards gaming, but still excellent, entertaining games nontheless.

Yes, thankfully there is a company gearing towards entertainment rather than polygon count.
 

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JediMB said:
beddo said:
That may be your definition of shovelware.
It is THE definition for shovelware. Software shoveled over from another platform.
[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shovelware[/link]
"Shovelware is a derogatory computer jargon term that refers to software noted more for the quantity of what is included than for the quality or usefulness."

I think this quite adequately shows what I mean:
[link]http://imagine.us.ubi.com/[/link]
[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine_(video_game_series)[/link]

beddo said:
Zelda was clearly ported to the wii with motion controls tacked on.
Yes, but it was still an improvement, and the port was made during the production of the original version of the game.
It was not an improvement, the game was better to play on the gamecube. The only benefit of the wii version is that it's widescreen. Anyway it's still just a port, lazy.

beddo said:
These games were clearly designed with the idea of pushing the peripherals. In fact, they were bundled with the games.
And thus don't actually, in any way, require you to pay for the add-ons. I've barely even touched my free Wii Wheel, and don't intend to ever get another. But in contrast to Mario Kart Wii, where a Wiimote attachment was bundled with the game, Crossbow Training is really a case of demo software being bundled with the peripheral.

The add-ons aren't free, in a lot of cases they make the product more expensive. the only reason they would not cost any extra is because that they peripherals may increase demand for the product.

beddo said:
Wii Fit is unique. It is essentially pointless, the games are boring and the exercises could easily be performed without the balance board. Again, another one of those things we don't need but are convinced we do.
Sure, you could do the exercises without the board, but software not only judges your performance, but also gives you incentive to exercise by turning it into a series of mini-games.
For £70 it's still just pointless.

beddo said:
So the game is pushed with yet another peripheral that should have been intergrated from the beginning. In fact the technology already exists within the Wii-mote:

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/storysupplement/wiiremote/index.htm

So all they really did was flog another peripheral.
Huh. I remember there were rumors before the release that the Wiimote was supposed to have a built-in microphone, but I didn't know the functionality was actually there. If it is, then why haven't any third party developers utilized it?[/quote]

They won't implement it because they need official permission from Nintendo. Why would Nintendo do that when they can sell the Wii mic.
beddo said:
It's called humor, I was being facetious.
Then you should have considered making it funny. =P
Ouch!



Bob_F_It said:
OP seems unaware that Nintendo's target audience is actually casual gamers and not hardcores.
You're mistaken. Nintendo have stated that their target audience is "everyone", which clearly includes the "hardcore" when you consider that they released games for pretty much all of their still-living classic franchises within the first two years of the machine's existence.[/quote]

Though these games are accessible to hardcore players they seem more geared to 'fanboys'. They don't seem to be pushing many new titles for hardcore gamers, only a handful of titles at most.
 

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I Really doubt there will be too many good games coming out for the Wii. I've got one and it was fun and everything, only because i got Super Mario Galaxies, Metroid Prime 3, and Super Smash Brothers Brawl. Others than those and a few select others; i don't think too many Wii games are that great. I got a 360 ASAP.
 

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GuerrillaClock said:
Haru_Elric said:
-snip-
(Never used the term hardcore, i used serious)
And i'm not complaining about the backlog of titles, I'm complaining about the fact that because the wii is expanding it's horizons and adhering to the current generation, they are just continuing to add more of the same. Trauma center is new concept which came along with the DS and Wii, yeah, it gets it's kudos. However, i'd like to see some innovate new concepts, rather than more of the same. I like wii sports because it was the original game that showed what the wii was capable of (And needless to say some of the best times i've had with my wii is drinking and playing tennis), but when actually implement it, it seems like a waste of time really as most of that new technology is wasted on poor ideas or bad story.

Oh, virtual console as well, Don't enjoy the idea of paying so much for a game that you could just as easily find an emulator and rom file for.

I do enjoy Nintendo's gusto for trying to appeal to everyone, "but try to please everyone and no one will like it". I'm just saying that most of the ideas that the Wii is capable of is been wasted so far.
The rant wasn't aimed at you in particular, rather at the general criticisms of Nintendo that I constantly see and hear, and for the life of me can't see the validity in. I wish more constructive arguments could be raised as opposed to bashing the casual market. All the time.

I wouldn't say the Wii has been wasted, as the "serious" titles don't really need to make massive use of the motion controls. Yes, they feel a little crowbarred in on Galaxy and the like but you can't really blame Nintendo for trying to implement them and it isn't really detrimental to the game. I'm not sure what you're getting at when you say the Wii "isn't fulfilling its' potential". It has lots of quality titles, more than the PS3 I'd say (certainly in terms of exclusives) so what exactly were you expecting? Even more gimmicky shovelware? Lots of games make excellent use of the Wii's innovations, as mentioned Trauma Center, Okami is an excellent port, and its' perfectly suited to adventure games like Zack & Wiki and Sam & Max, as well as first person games like Metroid Prime. This isn't even starting on WiiWare titles.

Oh, and as for the VC, saying "I could just pirate it" isn't a valid argument. I could just pirate every PC game ever made, but it doesn't make the PC any less of a quality format to play games on.
I'll accept the VC comment, There is no point on me bashing retro games which many people still enjoy, and many of Nintendo's First party franchises had some good ideas of how their controls work. For example out favorite elf with the master sword. I disliked the gamecube verson, however the use of swinging your sword by swinging the wiimote was rather well thought, and the bow and arrow had to be used with the sensor bar of course. But some it seems wasted, like Galaxy. Again, the idea of spinning the wiimote to make <ario spin onscreen was smart, but it didn't seem enough. The first time I saw the Luma which gave you "spin" i thought, hey, abilities, this will be cool; only to realize that the spin was the only function that was given to you through gameplay development, which incorporated the motion sensors in the wiimote.

Although my view of some games has been shortsighted (For example "no more heroes" and "Okami" which I wish to play, just haven't gotten round to it yet)I still haven't seen real developments to say that when I first bought my wii 2 years ago that it is still worth its money, even though I've gotten my moneys worth out of it