Mr Montmorency said:
soulsabr said:
Your trollish rant reveals quite a bit about your character. I can now name quite a few careers you will never be able to pursue.
As for the subject of homework, I say assign it. This allows the child to be prepared for the opportunity to make something of themselves outside of high school. Once they are in the real world then they can decide for themselves if homework is a vital part of what they wish to do in life.
Trolling is having a different opinion? You make the Escapist proud!
A differing opinion, clearly presented with facts and relevant examples, is not trolling; baseless name calling and group generalization is. Next time you go see your doctor, dentist, pharmacist, local politician, need a police officer, ad infinitum, ask them if they had to do homework to get where they are. Oh yea, don't forget to call them all of those nice names when they tell you they did.
Mr Montmorency said:
Hm... I don't recall homework being a key factor other than education, experience and attitude. What if I don't want a job that requires work to be done from home? There are plenty of well paying jobs where you don't have to work from home.
Well, lets take my job as an engineer for a counter example. I had to do massive amounts of homework to earn my degree to become an engineer. Now that I have a job engineering I do not have to do any of that work at home. In fact, working from home is considered a privilege in so much as it saves you at least an hour on the road, gas money, lets you spend extra time with your family, etc ....
Mr Montmorency said:
Face it, you're playing the "it's practice for a real job" card. Assigning homework for no reason other than for assigning it in and of itself wastes children's time, even if they're quote obviously on top of their work. What better way to reward them by giving them more bloody work? I've had homework, while easy, getting me into trouble, because even though I could do everything in class I have my own business to attend to, and I have a few pathetic worksheets biting me in the ass every time I come back. Saying that it's "your responsibility" to get it done, just shows that you don't care and that you're assigning it regardless of academic progression because you can't teach properly. You're just using it as a way of showing their grades without actually doing your job, so you can get paid.
How about we take a subject such as differential equations and linear algebra into consideration, shall we? I challenge you, in one one and a half hour class, to teach even the most gifted student how to solve a triple derivative equation to find the magnetic flux in a sphere. Not to mention all of the rules, reductions, applications, substitutions, and formulas that go along with it. Lets face it, sixteen one and one half hour classes are not enough to teach anything. Teachers just lay the foundations that the student must then build upon.
Mr Montmorency said:
Saying that "you not getting it done is irresponsible" is also ignoring what I've just said. What if i've been responsible enough to do all of the assigned work in class, and it's not your job to tell me when I should be doing my work by giving me even more because you think you know how to run my life. It doesn't work like that.
OK, this argument makes no sense. First, you are not born knowing how to run your life. Simple fact. Ask any one year old how to balance a check book, calculate interest, pay taxes, or any of a hundred daily tasks and see what results you get. Classwork and homework are two separate animals presented at two separate times for basically the same goal; to help you learn. Homework is definitely not trying to run your life but is a way to force repetition which is the key to learning. Remember when you learned to type? You got better over time and the same is true with anything.
Mr Montmorency said:
You should give work, and if anyone doesn't finish it, they do it in their home time. That's responsibility. Telling them everything they need to know for free, then sending them home with the work sheet, they can still know everything they learned the next time they turned up while not doing the worksheet, essentially, if they worked in class is irrelevant, because you're punishing them as much as everyone else by giving them monotonous crap every night, they could be using on learning something they're interested in, or just living.
Again, a rather poorly thought out response. Homework is not a punishment. I will agree, for the most part, it is monotonous and boring. However, I have learned that it is quite essential to learn as people only learn through repetition (refer to typing example). People are not built to retain knowledge that they do not use. Without the repetition provided by take home assignments you would forget more than 90% of what you learned that day. And just as a side thought, we all know how much people run to the library to pick up particle physics books to read while at home rather than, say, running around with friends or playing games.
Your arguments are hollow at best. If you're going to try to make a point at least try to make it using arguments that sound like they are based on fact and made up from an victimization standpoint. From your rant it sounds as if you have never actually talked to a teacher and given that person's input the time of day. Teachers are dedicated, underpaid, and unappreciated and deserve our respect. I personally would never do their job for the pay they are forced to accept to do what they love. For your sake, I really hope that you wake up one day.
Finally, I know your ego won't let you resist responding so I'd just like to let you know that this is my last post in this conversation. Cheers!
