yes, it depresses me deeply. That's not to say I don't think there's a place for stuff like that in anime, or that anime hasn't always been fairly sexual, but when the quality of content gets sacrificed for T&A, it makes me die a little inside. That said, I remember flipping through a Queen's Blade artbook once. The artist wasn't very refined, but he had a pretty distinctive style and was pretty good.Tanner The Monotone said:
Poll: To the anime haters
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Being reeeeeeeeeally off topic here. How about making a thread of all the anime or western animation that suffers from the You ALL Look Familiar?axlryder said:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouALLLookFamiliar
Better yet, we could go ahead and finally count what group abuses this effect to death instead of just making characters with very distinct facial uniqueness like this:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CastOfSnowflakes
You may think that TvTropes may already have done the jobs for us but for the sake of fairness lets just let the people themselves do it without actually announcing that page existance. Lets see how they handle it by just thinking about it rather than just lazily looking in a page that flat out tells them what examples suffer from this.
I voted Berserk but I also really like the Gantz and Miyazaki style. I think the latter two styles I mentioned seem cleaner and more modern while Berserk looks like it's a more organic piece of art. I'm not a regular anime watcher, once in a blue moon I'll binge on a series.
Its more than thats what some people would consider the Bishies fighting each other a cliché. (Final Fantasy VII being the biggest example) Code Geass and Death Note loves its bishies.DioWallachia said:Going down like punk certainly seems like disqualification for the Magnificent Bastard title. However, why is the series cliche? to me it seems that it takes the shonen tropes and deconstruct them into twisted versions.ex275w said:
Besides, its not like Western animation OR literature is beneath of using cliches to death.
Death Note was pretty fresh, so I did not find it clichéd.
I couldn't stand more than 3/4 episodes of Code Geass, especially since it had the same plot as Death Note (Super genius teen gets unique power which allows him to seize power and change the world and another teen who happens to be his main obstacle joins with him temporarily) only with more ANIME elements: GIANT ROBOTS, GIANT BOOBS, HIGH SCHOOL, ROMANTIC PLOT LINES, OVER THE TOP ACTION, BISHIES. I kind of lumped them together since they have the same plot.
Western Literature and animation (especially western animation) has its clichés of course. Also the Heroes Journey is more about plot structure and how ancient cultures wrote stories with similar elements. Your image has its terms so vague I bet I could put Silence of the Lambs and get at least 14 elements.
Anime is guilty of the same, so it doesn't exactly get a pass in that area and saying other mediums do it isn't a valid defense.
you bring up excellent points, i hadn't even realized the decline of Japanese games was from the repetition of the great things from the past that were so awesome. you know, some kid on facebook was trying to defend Naruto in a naruto vs. DBZ debate, i f**kin destroyed him with the nostalgic factor.ex275w said:
i'm glad you brought up assassin's creed! now, the first game is based on fact; there actually was an order of assassin's in Iran in 1092 AD. Hasan-i Sabbah, a Nazri Islamic with a good deal of influence around the middle east, establish the Hashshashin, which is actually where the word assassin comes from (if you thought it was ninjas then you're 400 years off). Hasan used the Hashshashin, from what few records we have today, to eleminate his enemies and rivals so he could establish more power. however, the Nizari Islam faith, a form of Shia islam, believes in Social justice, Pluralism, and equality. with this, it's easy to assume the Hashshashin were a vigilante orginization destined to stop tyranny, and given that the 3rd crusade (TEMPLARS) were one of their foes, i wouldn't doubt it.
now given that, i hope you use it the next time you're on jeopardy, you're still right in that american games can feel it was made by a person with their own vision, but all games get something from somewhere. Halo? alien, the flood reminds me of alien. Call of duty? WW2. Gears of war? .......well shit
ooooh i see what you mean. corporations are trying to marketize which is destroying the industry. that happens to every media of entertainment i guess.SckizoBoy said:
as for the dildo sword, go look up saints row the 3rd or watch a jim sterling episode. it's not for the phallic symbol, it so that when someone asks them "oh geez! what happened to you!?" then they can answer "i got smacked in the face with a giant dildo"
f***in pricless
you know what? someone else on this same thread has said something very similar. anime is dying because it's beating the dead horse now, it's trying to copy what once succeeded greatly (sailor moon, DBZ, etc) and just keep doing it over and over and over again. LUCKILY, things like DBZ and Halo CE have the magnificent Nostalgic factor behind them, which may also be the downfall for their genres. people will go "hell yeah halo! the original sci-fi shooter!" or at least i hope they don't because it isn't, anyway,DioWallachia said:
so yeah, better 90's horror movie analogy. i grew up in the 90's and i KNOW just how much that cliche has been done to death. whenever i don't see that group line up in a horror movie, i get REAL FUCKIN SCARED because i don't know what else to expect.
Could it be that Japan NEEDS to milk their franchises and make more cliche stories to make up for the fact that the tsunami fucked everything up to the point that they lost too munch to take a risk on something new?mega48man said:
As a customer, i say that if its just the same crap then i will stick with what i already have.
As a human, i will say to them that if that is the case then just stop making those things and let me send you money for you to recover, you dont spend a single cent on making garbare and you still get money.
This topic shows the author's lack of understanding of graphical styles and reasons why some people do not like anime.
Of the very shallow named choices the worst style choices are Hellsing, followed By Gantz. Hellsing's style is so underdeveloped that it removes atmosphere from the series and could not be considered a style. Gantz's has some distinctions and fits the atmosphere better.
Of the very shallow named choices the worst style choices are Hellsing, followed By Gantz. Hellsing's style is so underdeveloped that it removes atmosphere from the series and could not be considered a style. Gantz's has some distinctions and fits the atmosphere better.
The plot is of course different, but the structure of the two shows is very similar, kind of like a different Heroes Journey. People tend to have different criteria for what qualifies as two series being the "same"(I was being unintentionally hyperbolic in this point) for some people like me the structure, characters and tropes are what makes two shows the "same." You seem to think the moral is what makes the shows fundamentally different, which is a perfectly respectable position.NameIsRobertPaulson said:I'm not really a Code Geass fan, or really a Death Note fan...ex275w said:Its more than thats what some people would consider the Bishies fighting each other a cliché. (Final Fantasy VII being the biggest example) Code Geass and Death Note loves its bishies.DioWallachia said:Going down like punk certainly seems like disqualification for the Magnificent Bastard title. However, why is the series cliche? to me it seems that it takes the shonen tropes and deconstruct them into twisted versions.ex275w said:
Besides, its not like Western animation OR literature is beneath of using cliches to death.
Death Note was pretty fresh, so I did not find it clichéd.
I couldn't stand more than 3/4 episodes of Code Geass, especially since it had the same plot as Death Note (Super genius teen gets unique power which allows him to seize power and change the world and another teen who happens to be his main obstacle joins with him temporarily) only with more ANIME elements: GIANT ROBOTS, GIANT BOOBS, HIGH SCHOOL, ROMANTIC PLOT LINES, OVER THE TOP ACTION, BISHIES. I kind of lumped them together since they have the same plot.
Western Literature and animation (especially western animation) has its clichés of course. Also the Heroes Journey is more about plot structure and how ancient cultures wrote stories with similar elements. Your image has its terms so vague I bet I could put Silence of the Lambs and get at least 14 elements.
Anime is guilty of the same, so it doesn't exactly get a pass in that area and saying other mediums do it isn't a valid defense.
But saying they have the same plot is like saying Silence of the Lambs and The Shawshank Redemption have the same plot. One is the moral of "The best of intentions is pointless in the worst of minds" while the other is "The ends justify the means".
wellllll.......i'm not sure if you entirely understand the situation. yes, the tsunami and nuclear fallout was really bad, but that doesn't effect the entertainment industry. Ideas and literature are in the mind, not tangible objects that can be destroyed by physical harm.DioWallachia said:
Am I the only one who find it disturbing that there is a word for people who don't like anime: "anime-haters", as if we were the minority who need to explain ourselves rather than the other way around.
I mean, I like the color red. But it's not like im going to call everyone who doesn't prefer the color red "red-haters".
I mean, I like the color red. But it's not like im going to call everyone who doesn't prefer the color red "red-haters".
Except that ideas reside in the flesh and the flesh is kite suceptible to radiation, hunger, falling debris and i should probably stop. But just to be sure, i wanna know what company is pulling the "we are in a crisis so dont expect us to actually spend money on games/anime"mega48man said:
Cowboy bebop and Samurai Champloo are the same style. Different Genre's but very similar animation styles.
I like good motion pictures, whether it is live action or animated, the important thing is that it is good. it being animated doesn't automatically get it any points in positive or negative. I'll admits some things - in theory - work better in anime, or work better in live action. Some things are only even POSSIBLE let alone practical in one rather than the other.
Overall, the distinction is trivial. 95-99% of what applies to live-action film applies to animated film, just with varying practicality.
I like Akira not because it is anime, but because it is stupendously good. I don't know if many of the shots and sequences could possibly have any live-action equivalent and some things could't be done without very abstract film making that would defeat the purpose of
But to me, Akira is a great movie, not just a great anime.
Overall, the distinction is trivial. 95-99% of what applies to live-action film applies to animated film, just with varying practicality.
I like Akira not because it is anime, but because it is stupendously good. I don't know if many of the shots and sequences could possibly have any live-action equivalent and some things could't be done without very abstract film making that would defeat the purpose of
But to me, Akira is a great movie, not just a great anime.
What this guy saidanthony87 said:
I love studio Ghibli but their art style is rather unappealing to me sometimes.