Poll: Treyarch as a COD developer and as a video game developer in general

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JourneyThroughHell

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I'm sorry if this topic was already made, this is my first attempt at one.
And, yes, search bar approved, sort of.

I'll say right now, if you want a Treyarch-bashing rant, this isn't one. Actually, being the most rabid IW fanboy out there, I constantly end up defending their titles at different forums. My question is plain and simple: Do Tretarch honestly deserve the hate they get? I'll separate that in two parts, perhaps.

---Treyarch as a video game developer---
Treyarch's non-COD games are lesser know righ now but that doesn't change the fact that there were some pretty good ones. Enter the Spider-Man series, most notably, Spider-Man 2, a game even praised by Yahtzee. It isn't the greatest game of all-time, per say, but for a license game it's pretty damn good, actually.\
Their other games aren't particularly new so let's take one that I'm sure most of you know. Quantum of Solace. Although higly based on IW's engine, it was another solid title, even better than the movie, IN MY OPINION (feel free to debate me on that).

---Treyarch as a COD developer---
Again, a rabid IW fanboy here but I must admit, I do like the other COD games. First, enter Call Of Duty: United Offensive, the best expansion pack I've ever seen, developed by Gray Matter Interactive which was merged into Treyarch in 2005. This game I still believe to be the best non-IW Call Of Duty title.
I haven't played the Big Red One thing-y, so the next is Call Of Duty 3. A carbon copy of the second game but with pretty graphics and some really nice things. Sure, the QTEs felt unnecessary but the characters were very very memorable (Private Leslie Baron and Sergeant Mike Dixon, for example) and while it started out pretty boring, the last few missions were absolutely incredible.
Next, Call Of Duty: World At War, a game that I also happen to like. While exactly like COD 4, the game was notably darker and much more serious. The music was incredibly unsettling, so much so, that I couldn't stand navigating through menus. And the characters, while not as memorable, still stood out. Also, multiplayer was good, coop was good and Nazi Zombies was great. I did find the DLCs to be overwhelming but overall, it was a nice enough game.

Feel free to debate any of this but remember, all of this is my personal opinion and I'm not forcing it onto anyone. Cheers and have a nice day.

P.S. http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=103081
It looks like IW and Treyarch are at conflict again. While I think that IW aren't too right there, Reflex does look pretty underwhelming.
So I do agree with IW, the Wii is most definitely not the console for Call Of Duty. My apologies to the fans of the console, but I seriously want to prove the people at "gonintendo.com" that it's not IWs fault that your precious console is "two GameCubes stacked together".
Still, kudos to Treyarch. They've at least tried.
 

MiracleOfSound

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World at War had a great single player campaign, I found it pretty thrilling in a few parts...

Escaping from the German patrols through the burning building

Storming the Reichstag... one of my favorite levels in any game

I found the multiplayer kind of clunky and broken though. Too spoiled after COD4.
 

JourneyThroughHell

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miracleofsound said:
World at War had a great single player campaign, I found it pretty thrilling in a few parts...

Escaping from the German patrols through the burning building

Storming the Reichstag... one of my favorite levels in any game

I found the multiplayer kind of clunky and broken though. Too spoiled after COD4.
Yeah, I found the MW multiplayer superior. But, still, I din't mind the changes Treyarh made.
 

Mr.Black

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Treyarch need some testicles and start making their own games again rather than riding the IW coat tails.
 

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I just re-re-discovered Spiderman 2 for my Xbox 1. Best. Game. Ever.

I don't care what they've done before/since, and I don't know much about them offhand. But that game alone secures them a small place in my heart.
 

Christemo

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Treyarch arent bad. i liked WaW untill my steam accounted got temporarily bumfucked and my lvl 58 non prestiged multiplayer profile got deleted (takes forever to lvl up).

Nazi Zombies, the Campaign and the co-op campaign were all really good, but the multiplayer and grey-brown colors lets down a fair bit.
 

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I actually preferred WAW over MW (Not single player wise)simply because I like the premise of ww2. Nazi Zombies was a nice addition, and I love blowing peoples limbs off online. My only wish was that they would have a Nazi Campaign, that would be a nice controversial but interesting twist.
 

JourneyThroughHell

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Christemo said:
Treyarch arent bad. i liked WaW untill my steam accounted got temporarily bumfucked and my lvl 58 non prestiged multiplayer profile got deleted (takes forever to lvl up).

Nazi Zombies, the Campaign and the co-op campaign were all really good, but the multiplayer and grey-brown colors lets down a fair bit.
Yeah, I didn't find the athmospheric grittiness necessary, too.
 

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lSHaDoW-FoXl said:
I actually preferred WAW over MW (Not single player wise)simply because I like the premise of ww2. Nazi Zombies was a nice addition, and I love blowing peoples limbs off online. My only wish was that they would have a Nazi Campaign, that would be a nice controversial but interesting twist.
That is practically impossible. This is just like a giant "For German Rating Boards, ban this" sign.
 

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Revelo said:
miracleofsound said:
World at War had a great single player campaign, I found it pretty thrilling in a few parts...

Escaping from the German patrols through the burning building

Storming the Reichstag... one of my favorite levels in any game

I found the multiplayer kind of clunky and broken though. Too spoiled after COD4.
WaW was not a bad game, although it was kind of lazy on Treyarch's side to simply take the CoD4 graphics and slap a WW2 skin on it, but the plot didn't endear itself to me since it was restricted by the conflict, but having Jack Bauer and Commissioner Gordon as my CO's was pretty damm awesome. The best level definately had to be the one set in Stalingrad, it seems like Stalingrad is the Omaha Beach of the Eastern Front, or the Hoth of WW2, since any level set there is bound to be very entertaining. WaW was not bad but not excellent.

Thats why I liked CoD4 so much, setting itself 20 minutes into the future gave it the ability to make it's own story by scratch, it did not bring much new to the FPS table but it perfected the forumla superbly. I didn't play any WaW multiplayer.
Remember, that's what they always do. They get criticized for blatanly copying previous installments but I can live with that.
And Stalingrad is not as overused, that's a good thing because, as a Russian, I can safely say that there were far battles far scarier on our front, Stalingrad just happens to be the turning point.