Poll: underage animated female characters...

[4RM3D]

Something like this came up in another thread a while ago. I am gonna say the same thing here.

I have actually studied IT law (as a minor) during college. And child porn also came up, a lot. Real child porn is illegal (duh). If you own it you and the cops find it, your screwed (among other things). But if you watch a streaming video of child porn, its not illegal and thus the cops can't touch you. Because a streaming video you don't own; it's not stored on your computer, although you can argue it's cached somewhere locally. However if you paid to get access to streaming video, you can be arrested if the payment can be traced to the source.

So cartoon porn (simple put) is not illegal where I live. But if the porn is too realistically animated, it is illegal. (Where do you draw the line, I wonder). But if you can prove that you animated the porn yourself, its not illegal.

Oh the 'joys' of law...

Surely it's better that there's an outlet with no victim opposed to the only alternative having a victim? That's my view on it anyway.

And this ^

 

[Raskolnikov34]

Eh, it doesn't exploit anyone per say, but it encourages pedophile behavior.

Pedophiles need psychological help, not outlets for their desires.

Unfortunately in the present social situation anyone who tries to find help will likely be murdered by vigilantes.

true, its really an unfortunate situation...I don't condone them, but if a pedophile really did try to not act on his/her desires, and legitimately tried to seek help, then they should not be met with persecution.

 

[Raskolnikov34]

Something like this came up in another thread a while ago. I am gonna say the same thing here.

I have actually studied IT law (as a minor) during college. And child porn also came up, a lot. Real child porn is illegal (duh). If you own it you and the cops find it, your screwed (among other things). But if you watch a streaming video of child porn, its not illegal and thus the cops can't touch you. Because a streaming video you don't own; it's not stored on your computer, although you can argue it's cached somewhere locally. However if you paid to get access to streaming video, you can be arrested if the payment can be traced to the source.

So cartoon porn (simple put) is not illegal where I live. But if the porn is too realistically animated, it is illegal. (Where do you draw the line, I wonder). But if you can prove that you animated the porn yourself, its not illegal.

Oh the 'joys' of law...

Really, streaming that stuff isn't illegal? I always thought it was. and couldn't the cops just monitor a streaming site and log the ip addresses and get you that way?

 

[4RM3D]

Really, streaming that stuff isn't illegal? I always thought it was. and couldn't the cops just monitor a streaming site and log the ip addresses and get you that way?

They can trace your IP address. But that is not enough for a conviction. They might confiscate your computer. However if they don't find any child porn on your computer, they can't charge you. The only exception being if they can find a money trail leading to a child porn service.

 

[Raskolnikov34]

Really, streaming that stuff isn't illegal? I always thought it was. and couldn't the cops just monitor a streaming site and log the ip addresses and get you that way?

They can trace your IP address. But that is not enough for a conviction. They might confiscate your computer. However if they don't find any child porn on your computer, they can't charge you. The only exception being if they can find a money trail leading to a child porn service.

Wouldn't it be easier just to shut down the site though and arrest the makers of it?

 

[Baneat]

Eh, it doesn't exploit anyone per se, but it encourages pedophile behavior.

That's quite the statement to make, any factual evidence (Study showing correlation) to back the claim? I got curious about that, and never found evidence pointing to it. If anything it would curb an urge for some.

 

[Et3rnalLegend64]

Animated late teen characters? I really don't care. The DOA characters in particular certainly don't have the figure of most late teens. I don't think it's the best idea to run around policing thought crimes and protecting fictional characters.

 

[Torrasque]

If it's Japanese in origin and the character is portrayed as a young, sexy girl, it's probably because the age of consent over there is 13-18. There really is no problem at all with it if you put it in context with the creator's origins.

OT, I don't give a shit cuz they aren't real. Besides, isn't Austrailia one of those crotchety old man governments that ban anything that has boobs or gore that isn't a movie?

Yahtzee certainly makes it seem like such.
But I agree with what you said about Japan.
I mean, look at anime.
In most anime, everyone looks like they're 16 or younger, and are often only 14 or so.
Complaining about the age that fictional girls are being portrayed, is like complaining that females are not anatomically correct in anime.

 

[Raskolnikov34]

Eh, it doesn't exploit anyone per se, but it encourages pedophile behavior.

That's quite the statement to make, any factual evidence (Study showing correlation) to back the claim? I got curious about that, and never found evidence pointing to it. If anything it would curb an urge for some.

No, I don't have any factual evidence (I'll look for some in a second), but it seems logical.

If you let someone with anger management issues lose control constantly in harmless ways (punching inanimate objects), it doesn't curb their desire, it just gets them in the habit of giving into it. Eventually, these habits could manifest less harmlessly.

The same could be true for pedophiles, but, like I said, I don't have any studies showing correlations.

 

[Shockolate]

This always reminds me of The Sagara Family.

The makers listed an obvious grade school girl as 18, and got away with it.

They did it on purpose just to show how silly it was, or so I'm told.

 

[4RM3D]

Wouldn't it be easier just to shut down the site though and arrest the makers of it?

That the site contains illegal material is enough to take it down. But it won't be that easy. Anyone with half a brain is gonna host a site like that in an "obscure" country were the law can't touch them. And they will host the site under a false alias. It's a nightmare to persecute a website... because you can't. You have to find the owners.

That's why The Pirate Bay still exists. To name an example. Same principal, different content.

 

[Raskolnikov34]

Wouldn't it be easier just to shut down the site though and arrest the makers of it?

That the site contains illegal material is enough to take it down. But it won't be that easy. Anyone with half a brain is gonna host a site like that in an "obscure" country were the law can't touch them. And they will host the site under a false alias. It's a nightmare to persecute a website... because you can't. You have to find the owners.

That's why The Pirate Bay still exists. To name an example. Same principal, different content.

So instead they just monitor the websites and arrest users?

 

[ThatLankyBastard]

I'm a Loli, so I may be a bit biased but I find nothing wrong with underaged characters that are animated...

...I'm pretty sure the whole ban on CP is not because of what the content is, but the context of it... So if it's animated, why the fuck not?

 

[4RM3D]

So instead they just monitor the websites and arrest users?

Yup, if they can find a money trail (e.g. credit card) from the user to site. Or like I said they can make a gamble and confiscate the user's computer. Because usually when an user is visiting a site like that, there is a pretty good chance that user has some illegal stuff stored locally on his computer or on discs.

Or it is also possible to have those sites blocked by the ISP. Not sure what they are choosing. It's either one of those 2 options (tracking or blocking).

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Reminds of the survey quoted on Brass Eye 'If you define a child as anyone under the age of 30, then over 86% of people in the UK are guilty of paedophilia' ...

I'm a bit lost tho, what's the land of Oz got a problem with the game for?

I assume it's another bikini clad fighting game, and not actually packed with nudity and penetrative sex? Aslo, isn't DOA pretty much entirely known for massive bouncy titties? I'm not a doctor, but I don't think most 5 year old girls have F cup breasts.

Then what would I know, I'm over 30 and I remember being a kid and seeing toddlers in the playground naked, but then as well know, having been educated by the news media, paedophiles were invented in the 90s. I'm pretty sure there wasn't this nationwide terror of a pervery hiding in every bush in the park 30 years ago, however, and I'm also (no evidence, and no data to support it), pretty damn sure there's not some massive rise in pedos in the past 30 years either.

If I'm honest, I'm just rather tired of the hyperbole. Act with some common sense, teach your kids some basic rules about adults, strangers and who can touch em where, and 99.99% of kids will be fine. The tiny percentage left are just unlucky, same as as murder, cancer, etc. You can't entirely eradicate risk, or mental people.

 

[Baneat]

Eh, it doesn't exploit anyone per se, but it encourages pedophile behavior.

That's quite the statement to make, any factual evidence (Study showing correlation) to back the claim? I got curious about that, and never found evidence pointing to it. If anything it would curb an urge for some.

No, I don't have any factual evidence (I'll look for some in a second), but it seems logical.

If you let someone with anger management issues lose control constantly in harmless ways (punching inanimate objects), it doesn't curb their desire, it just gets them in the habit of giving into it. Eventually, these habits could manifest less harmlessly.

The same could be true for pedophiles, but, like I said, I don't have any studies showing correlations.

The inverse seems equally logical to me, actually, and there's a fancy name for when people get told things and go "Oh, that makes sense" - then they also get told something that's clearly "common sense logic" which contradicts the first, and that makes sense too. Which is why throwing assertions as facts is very risky indeed.

 

[Alucard788]

I not even going to debate it anymore...it's useless.

Suffice to say why the obsession with underage nudity? Why the constant need to define, and defend it in the face of it being within a lurid context?

I mean I have an obsession with Elves and Elven culture...is it anything like that? A fascination and need to know more?

I'm not accusing, I'm just genuinely curious. I'm no longer angry I'm just...curious.

I want an honest answer.

 

[9Darksoul6]

Why is pedophilia a crime? - because it damages/hurts/endangers kids.
So, the real question here is: how much does pedophilia thowards drawn people affect real kids? I'd say it doesn't affect at all, but, hey, I'm not expert.

 

[Raskolnikov34]

Eh, it doesn't exploit anyone per se, but it encourages pedophile behavior.

That's quite the statement to make, any factual evidence (Study showing correlation) to back the claim? I got curious about that, and never found evidence pointing to it. If anything it would curb an urge for some.

No, I don't have any factual evidence (I'll look for some in a second), but it seems logical.

If you let someone with anger management issues lose control constantly in harmless ways (punching inanimate objects), it doesn't curb their desire, it just gets them in the habit of giving into it. Eventually, these habits could manifest less harmlessly.

The same could be true for pedophiles, but, like I said, I don't have any studies showing correlations.

The inverse seems equally logical to me, actually, and there's a fancy name for when people get told things and go "Oh, that makes sense" - then they also get told something that's clearly "common sense logic" which contradicts the first, and that makes sense too. Which is why throwing assertions as facts is very risky indeed.

Did I do this?

My first assertion was that it could encourage pedophiles. My second assertion was an slightly more fleshed out form of this; in that I said it could get pedophiles into the habit of giving into their desires and therefore cause them to eventually act on their desires in more drastic ways, ie: actually abuse a child, or view actual pornography involving minors (I said "manifest less harmlessly", so maybe I was a bit unclear).

Those don't contradict each other in my opinion.

 

[Raskolnikov34]

[/quote]Unfortunatly they are. Someone that says they are a pedophile regardless of whether or not the acted upon their urges, at least where I live, is shunned by EVERYONE and usually beaten by said vigilantes. This leads to reppression of these feelings which as good ol' Sigmund has told us, is not a great thing.[/quote]

I agree with the first part, but Freud psychology is basically all false.

Here's an article about it:


http://articles.latimes.com/2004/feb/18/opinion/oe-dufresne18