Poll: War games, tasteful?

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DaMan1500

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So, I've been watching the trailers for the new Medal of Honor, and while the game itself looks fine, I couldn't help but feel a little put off by the fact that it's set in the actual War on Terror, a conflict that has and is still leading to the deaths of real people. I'm not saying there should be a law against this sort of thing, or that it's necessarily going to be a bad game, but does anyone else think it's in poor taste to turn a present day war into a videogame, or any other real-life war, for that matter?
 

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yeah, not really. I can understand if people who werre actually there find a little lacking in taste - but I have yet to participate in an actual war so I'm not too fussed about them.
 

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DaMan1500 said:
...I couldn't help but feel a little put off by the fact that it's set in the actual War on Terror, a conflict that has and is still leading to the deaths of real people...
 

Vanguard_Ex

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You know what's bad taste?

When a fucking footballer hurting his leg is deemed more important than the soldiers losing their lives.

That is the real distaste.
 

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Not really. Most war games are set in actual conflicts, this one just so happens to still be going on.

I'm also assuming that the company actually did that specifically for shock value in order to get interest in their game, and for whatever reason, refuse to give them the satisfaction. I guess I'm feeling sort of punk-rockish today.
 

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Vanguard_Ex said:
You know what's bad taste?

When a fucking footballer hurting his leg is deemed more important than the soldiers losing their lives.

That is the real distaste.
Amen.
 

kduff51

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Im not offended by it. It is usually used as a setting more than specific people. However, if you were to use actual people that would be in bad taste.
 

The Real Sandman

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When games like Grand Theft Auto, Manhunt, Saints Row, God of War, No More Heroes, Mass Effect and countless other "distastfull" games populate the industry, I think Medal of Honor and Six Days in Falujah can slide for being shooters that take place in the present day Middle East. If we have had no problem with the legions of games based on World War II (you know, the bloodiest and most destructive large scale conflict in human history) , what's the big deal here?
 

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Not offended, but at this point most of them are getting a bit old, unless we wanna to back to the 16th century when combat was more fun, and melee was viable, ah melee, I miss you so.
 

Weaver

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Well, if it's anything like the last five or six hundred medal of honour games it will be bad.
 

ethaninja

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No, im not one to hold grudges or feel bad about what happened a LONG time ago. Or even recently. Which begs the question, why do african americans hold the word slave so strongly these days. Surely they would have forgiven and forgotten by now. Ah well, the world is the way it is.
 

Angerwing

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The developers worked with some soldiers (the article I have says 'Tier 1 Ops') who advised on touchy subjects. According to the developers they removed a particular scene because one of the soldiers felt it hit too close to home and was bothered by it.

So seeing as they're working with men involved, I think it will be handled tastefully.
 

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DaMan1500 said:
So, I've been watching the trailers for the new Medal of Honor, and while the game itself looks fine, I couldn't help but feel a little put off by the fact that it's set in the actual War on Terror, a conflict that has and is still leading to the deaths of real people. I'm not saying there should be a law against this sort of thing, or that it's necessarily going to be a bad game, but does anyone else think it's in poor taste to turn a present day war into a videogame, or any other real-life war, for that matter?
I will say that it should be done more often, and more vigorously. One of the biggest problems with "The War On Terror" is that the left wing/peace at any price crowd has been given FAR too much abillity to derail the goverment. Our goverment has also had no real effort put into propaganda, and honestly wars are won and lost based on propaganda and the abillity to rally your people behind a conflict.

Don't misunderstand this, I'm a big believer in the freedom of speech and such, however I believe the exception is when it relates to international affairs during a time of crisis. The goverment has need to control information at that time. For all my comments about our brutality during World War II, I also make the point that it was nessicary, and it was the demonization of the Nazis (which remains to this day) that allowed us to wage war so effectively and then come home and claim we were White Knights afterwards.

I see a lot of what going on as akin to say having given Jane Fonda goverment sponsorship during Vietnam. That was another example of a war where tighter information control was needed. Her antics in Hanoi were one of the more over the top aspects of the whole thing nowadays, and truthfully I think a lot of people especially in the media are taking things even further than she did in many respects.


At any rate, as this relates to games, I very much believe that we should not only be making games based around real world politics, but that we should use the platform to demonize our own enemies and blow our own horn. What's more as silly as it sounds, one of the most powerful things we can do is to spread our own ideas, and the media is good for that. Release stuff like that (done right) internationally and it wins people to your point of view, again the Nazis are a good example. That was very much a propaganda war, and Hitler was an international man of the year. He had a LOT Of supporters and people who were fairly neutral about him despite how things are made to seem now. Oh sure, the Nazis really weren't making handicrafts out of human flesh, nor did they have portable bone grinding machines, but like it or not stuff like that was part of how we won the war.

So basically take everything Yahtzee said about how Adolscent power fantasy shouldn't be blended with real world politics in his "Army Of Two" review, turn it on the head, introduce a healthy dose of pro-America/Our Side to the mix, and that's pretty much what I figure our media should be like during time of crisis, and that includes video games.

I don't expect a lot of people here to like this, or agree with me, but when I was a kid I visited the Smithsonian in DC, and they had a whole section on World War II propaganda, and the logic behind it. It made some very interesting points about the nature of war and how important psychology is to it. If it wasn't for that I never would have done as much digging into World War II and what it actually took to win as I did.

Today very pro-American "War On Terror" games are right alongside the posters, radio broadcasts, and even TV/theater blurbs of the 1940s. Granted the style needs to change, but
I very much believe that's a key element of winning a war.
 

DaMan1500

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mokes310 said:
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DaMan1500 said:
...I couldn't help but feel a little put off by the fact that it's set in the actual War on Terror, a conflict that has and is still leading to the deaths of real people...
I mean the current conflict between the US and Al Queda in the Middle East. I called it the War on Terror because to the best of my knowledge that's the current name for it. I'm not trying to bust out political ideology, if that's what you're thinking.
 

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DaMan1500 said:
mokes310 said:
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DaMan1500 said:
...I couldn't help but feel a little put off by the fact that it's set in the actual War on Terror, a conflict that has and is still leading to the deaths of real people...
I mean the current conflict between the US and Al Queda in the Middle East. I called it the War on Terror because to the best of my knowledge that's the current name for it. I'm not trying to bust out political ideology, if that's what you're thinking.
No offense, but you're statements are a little too broad and could use some refinement. In essence, your claim became political the instant you said; "I couldn't help but feel a little put off by the fact that it's set in the actual War on Terror, a conflict that has and is still leading to the deaths of real people." and; "...does anyone else think it's in poor taste to turn a present day war into a videogame, or any other real-life war...".

The latter claim is a claim and value, which has implicit meaning in current parlance, thus, is a politically loaded statement.
 

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It depends on the treatment. Band of Brothers? Awesome, even if it was about a current war.

Those rascist superman comics during world war two? (Image tags hate me, so use your imagination). Awful, just awful. They trivialise the war as a whole, and they make the peace process difficult when there's a bunch of bloodthirsty people at home clamoring for more, more, more.
 

DaMan1500

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mokes310 said:
DaMan1500 said:
mokes310 said:
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DaMan1500 said:
...I couldn't help but feel a little put off by the fact that it's set in the actual War on Terror, a conflict that has and is still leading to the deaths of real people...
I mean the current conflict between the US and Al Queda in the Middle East. I called it the War on Terror because to the best of my knowledge that's the current name for it. I'm not trying to bust out political ideology, if that's what you're thinking.
No offense, but you're statements are a little too broad and could use some refinement. In essence, your claim became political the instant you said; "I couldn't help but feel a little put off by the fact that it's set in the actual War on Terror, a conflict that has and is still leading to the deaths of real people." and; "...does anyone else think it's in poor taste to turn a present day war into a videogame, or any other real-life war...".

The latter claim is a claim and value, which has implicit meaning in current parlance, thus, is a politically loaded statement.
When I said I wasn't being political, I mean that I'm not trying to pick one political ideology over another. I'm just asking if you think that setting a videogame in a war that has actually happened or is still happening (like WWII, Vietnam, whatever is going on with America in the Middle East right now, etc.) is somehow less tasteful then setting a game taking place in a fictional war in a largly fictionalized universe (like Halo, Mass Effect, Bioshock, whatever.)