Poll: Warnings/Suspensions/Bans Accountability

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Brockyman

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As I look through various threads, I will come across the famous "This user was warned/suspended/banned for this post" blue link.

When I open it and read it, sometimes, its blatantly obvious why the user was given a warning, really foul language, harassment, ect. This is good thing most of the time, and makes the Escapist forums a little more civil and less trolly than IGN, Kotaku and the rest.

However, here in the last 6 months, I've seen a significant amount of posts that were punished for no noticeable reason.

I'll take myself as an example. I've gotten 2 warnings on these forums. One is was in October 2013, and while I didn't do what the moderator claimed (insulted others), I did use foul language, and was fine with the warning. I was also more easily worked up back then.

However in July of this year, I got a warning for being "rude"... In the post, I called someone pretentious and said it didn't seem like they read my previous post. I didn't use any foul language or use any other generally accepted rude term. While it was a little sarcastic in town, I wasn't actually any less rude or sarcastic than the other poster. The world "pretentious" isn't actually a word that's rude, but a comment on how he was acting. I could have easily used other colorful metaphors but went with that because it was a politer way to express my view. They later took the warning off, but I had to explain why.

Also, while reading some of the more recent controversial threads, I've seen users banned for posting and image of a tweet MovieBob and someone named @devincf (I have no clue who this is, but apparently he think's he's something) calling gamers worse than a terrorist organization that has killed and displaced 200,000 people. I've seen others make points, not using any harsh language or the like, be punished for what seems like a decedenting opinion or language that would be used in any normal civilized debate among friends

I wish I could post all of these posts, but I don't have the time or the patience

What I would like to propose to the Escapist, is that under each post the moderator has to put their username and complete reason they punished the post. It would show what the mods actually expect in real terms other than ambiguous rules with no examples that could be used to censor thought instead of controlling trolls.

Also, the rule about not being able to criticize the site? Really guys, that needs to go.
 

Redlin5_v1legacy

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If you want to talk to moderators about warnings/bans you feel are unwarranted, there are two [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Moderation-Team] existing [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.309173-Moderation-FAQ] places to communicate with them. And you're always free to appeal your own warnings. The reason the mods don't sign warnings is because that would be an invitation for more abuse than they already get.

Also, a lot of bans occur from past history, with their last infraction pushing them into the last 'red' bar of their healthbar.
 

sky14kemea

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Brockyman said:
The reasons for a warning or ban are sent directly to the Staff database so they can review Moderator actions and review it if an appeal comes through.

Simply put the Mods don't have time to edit each and every post they punish. They've already started trying to edit the more ambiguous ones but obviously there's going to be a lot missed while they try and change their habits.

As for the Mod putting their own username on the warned post, that's like posting a "Kick me" sign on their own back. The reason it stays anonymous for which Mod did it is because the Mods are a team, and stops people being biased against a single Moderator for enforcing the rules.

This thread is not an ideal way to bring this issue up, with the Moderators or the Staff. You should PM the Community Manager [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/DrStrangelove] Or make an inquiry in the Moderation Group [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Moderation-Team] about these issues in future.

If you wish to appeal your warnings in future, there is always a link to the appeal system in the PM sent with the warning.
 

Hairless Mammoth

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I'm all for this. I've seen many posts that were warned and the only times it made concrete sense why was the few posts that didn't add anything to the conversation topic. I can guess suspensions and bans are from many repeat offenses but it would be nice if under that post it said whether the user never learned his/her lesson or if they hit the one of the big "Push for Insta-ban" buttons on their first go. That would give us some real world examples of what not to say.
 

Vicarious Reality

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If you do not tell someone they are behaving inappropriately, they will never know that they do
Or they are just insane
 

Brockyman

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TopazFusion said:
Brockyman said:
What I would like to propose to the Escapist, is that under each post the moderator has to put their username and complete reason they punished the post.
Never going to happen.

It would only lead to more accusations of 'mod abuse', not less, if moderators signed the posts they actioned.

It's also unrealistic to expect mods to edit the warning reasons onto posts, because it would increase our workload by several-fold. And not to mention, people's warning reasons and moderation histories are their own private business. It's not our policy to share those details around and/or make them public.
I can kinda see the point against the put your name on there, but no, I don't buy the argument about the "workload". They can add more moderators if the workload is an issue. I'm sure there are volunteers out there. My intention isn't for you to be attacked, heck, in fact if someone sends you an attack PM, post it for the world so they can see what a jackass that person is.

And your part about private business also makes no sense. When someone is punished for a post, the post clearly indicates the user was punished, and if they are suspended or banned, it shows it on ALL their posts. So how is it a private matter to list "The post was given a warning due to ____________________________"

I'm glad moderators exist because the trolling, flame wars, and just plain stupidity get really old, really fast. I think most of you are good people. However, as I said above, with current controversies claiming media outlets are censoring information, there are many who thing some mods are corrupt and willing to censor or punish those with different opinions.
 

Brockyman

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sky14kemea said:
Brockyman said:
The reasons for a warning or ban are sent directly to the Staff database so they can review Moderator actions and review it if an appeal comes through.

Simply put the Mods don't have time to edit each and every post they punish. They've already started trying to edit the more ambiguous ones but obviously there's going to be a lot missed while they try and change their habits.

As for the Mod putting their own username on the warned post, that's like posting a "Kick me" sign on their own back. The reason it stays anonymous for which Mod did it is because the Mods are a team, and stops people being biased against a single Moderator for enforcing the rules.

This thread is not an ideal way to bring this issue up, with the Moderators or the Staff. You should PM the Community Manager [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/DrStrangelove] Or make an inquiry in the Moderation Group [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Moderation-Team] about these issues in future.

If you wish to appeal your warnings in future, there is always a link to the appeal system in the PM sent with the warning.
I explain the issue more about the mod naming in my response to another mod. Again, my intention isn't for anyone to be attacked, and I understand about the "workload" (answer: get more mods).

However, you may not punish a post but another mod might, and that reason could be they don't like the information the person is presenting, like my explanation about the user punished for the link to the twitter image.

And with all due respect Sky, this is the exact way this issue to be dealt with... a public critique of the Escapist, on it's own forum, with anyone able to weigh in. How is this the wrong thing to do? Some could even take you that comment as threatening, as in "do it this way, or else". I'm not going to see it that way, but the fact that you can't make honest, heartfelt critiques of the site in public is asinine, and makes a poor perception,including ya'll are above criticism, that us dirty consumers can't comment on the content and rules we are bound by (kinda borrowed from the way Jim would say it, with less colorful metaphors).

The Escapist already has a civilized forum, and I'd like ya'll to keep it that way, but this is chance for ya'll to shine further, with transparency and integrity! When other sites have deleted posts about the Quinn scandal, ya'll left the forum open (with some albeit stricter than needed guidelines), but now you can show that you, the mods, won't just censor and punish data you don't like, but taking 30 extra seconds to say, "hey, this was punished because he was rude to another poster" or "hey, I banned this guy because he harassed a mod, and here's the proof.

Thanks for listening. I've been a member here since a few months after you joined, and I enjoy it for the most part. Please, please don't turn it into a police state
 

Brockyman

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Redlin5 said:
If you want to talk to moderators about warnings/bans you feel are unwarranted, there are two [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Moderation-Team] existing [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.309173-Moderation-FAQ] places to communicate with them. And you're always free to appeal your own warnings. The reason the mods don't sign warnings is because that would be an invitation for more abuse than they already get.

Also, a lot of bans occur from past history, with their last infraction pushing them into the last 'red' bar of their healthbar.
In my post, I mentioned they "took the warning off", so I did appeal it and one. This isn't about appeals, its about understanding why posts that seemingly have no reason to be punished are punished.