What the heck does that have to do with this? All he did was talk about what caused the sales decline.JenSeven said:
Poll: What did Sony do wrong?
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Nooo, it more like saying if you flipped off a known serial killer on the highway, then they chased you down and shot you. OR if you bought a ton of really rare art and started up an art museum, then neglected to instal a security system, then got robbed.artanis_neravar said:
Admittedly I haven't stayed fully on-top of the situation as I haven't been personally affected by it, but the last thing that I had read was that Sony was in-fact NOT encrypting messages containing credit card names, numbers, and expiration dates between user and server, as illustrated in what was allegedly a chat log of the hackers. According to these logs those messages were being sent as unencrypted plaintext, which is unheard of in this day and age. Was that debunked? If so, I missed it.bob1052 said:
I don't doubt that other companies cut corners, and I don't mean to ruffle feathers, but I don't feel that Sony can simply be excused for what has happened. Hacks on this scale aren't everyday occurrences.
There's 2 arguments really.
There's the argument that "no matter how foolproof a system is, it's still hackable", in Sony's favour. Yes the hackers are at fault, but it goes without mentioning that they're pricks, as it's so obvious.
There's the other side that although any system is hackable, it's arguable that Sony are at fault for not putting in place enough preventative measures. Various sources have implied that Sony's security was severely lack, potentially due to them relying on the hardware rather than using any software encryption. In fact I'm fairly certain I read on this very website that they didn't even have any firewalls.
The fact of the matter is the consumers trusted private sensitive information to a corporation, and that corporation let them down. This is fact, not opinion.
People like the OP are too eager to bend over backwards and accept corporate bullshit, and this is why many big businesses get away with such things these days.
Consumers need to go back to demanding better service.
"Oh but isn't PSN free?". Well if someone's used their credit card details then they've obviously paid for something. How would you react if paypal or amazon leaked your credit card information? Just because something isn't subscription based shouldn't mean it should be slack with security.
"Haha this is why Xbox Live is better and deserves to be paid for, they keep information safe". We shouldn't have to pay for security in regards to sensitive information. That should be a given anywhere you pay for something. Saying Xbox Live fees are acceptable based on those grounds really is the sign of a really dumb and spineless consumer.
The only extra features that gold members get that incur any cost towards Microsoft is the chat feature. That's all. I'll take skype, teamspeak, xfire, any of those really.
There's the argument that "no matter how foolproof a system is, it's still hackable", in Sony's favour. Yes the hackers are at fault, but it goes without mentioning that they're pricks, as it's so obvious.
There's the other side that although any system is hackable, it's arguable that Sony are at fault for not putting in place enough preventative measures. Various sources have implied that Sony's security was severely lack, potentially due to them relying on the hardware rather than using any software encryption. In fact I'm fairly certain I read on this very website that they didn't even have any firewalls.
The fact of the matter is the consumers trusted private sensitive information to a corporation, and that corporation let them down. This is fact, not opinion.
People like the OP are too eager to bend over backwards and accept corporate bullshit, and this is why many big businesses get away with such things these days.
Consumers need to go back to demanding better service.
"Oh but isn't PSN free?". Well if someone's used their credit card details then they've obviously paid for something. How would you react if paypal or amazon leaked your credit card information? Just because something isn't subscription based shouldn't mean it should be slack with security.
"Haha this is why Xbox Live is better and deserves to be paid for, they keep information safe". We shouldn't have to pay for security in regards to sensitive information. That should be a given anywhere you pay for something. Saying Xbox Live fees are acceptable based on those grounds really is the sign of a really dumb and spineless consumer.
The only extra features that gold members get that incur any cost towards Microsoft is the chat feature. That's all. I'll take skype, teamspeak, xfire, any of those really.
On one hand we have Sony saying it was encrypted, and on the other hand we have anonymous (not part of the "group") people in the chat log who may or may not have been involved with Anonymous (the "group") saying it was. He said she said etc.CHooe said:
All we can really do is look at the data which has been published, none containing CC info, and the reports of fraud, which I haven't heard of any.
I'm with you. I own a PS3, and when all this started I didn't suddenly feel the urge to go burning Sony at the stake. I felt that they handled everything rather well, especially after reading the article that says that within a week of realizing something wrong, they hired three security teams to check things out. And every since their first information release, they've been giving customers a stream of data every time they learn something new.ImSkeletor said:
People get their credit cards stolen all the time. They don't suddenly attack Discover, or Mastercard and call them villains or whatever. They just cancel the card until things blow over, then reactivate said card. If you were one of those people worried that the hackers got your credit card number, call your company and cancel it. No. Big. Deal.
I'd have been worried if Sony was some run-of-the-mill nobody company (like if this happened with the Minecraft people maybe). But Sony is huge. They have billions of dollars at their disposal. They're going to take care of things. The most I can be is surprised that this happened -- that they are hackers able to get into the system. But I have no reason to be filled with rage and constantly send attacks Sony's way.
If you put your money in a Bank, you accept that they will keep it safe. If they don't, or don't live up to their claims of security, or allow your sensitive info to be stolen, of course you're going to hold them responsible.
Part of it is that Sony is a massive company, and has advertised its power and security publicly.
Part of it is that Sony is a massive company, and has advertised its power and security publicly.
Sony deserves anything that happens to them. Does anyone remember when they installed rootkits on peoples computers? And not only that, they were poorly written rootkits. Sony has been run by idiots for years now. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
roughly this, otherwise your information is always out there. period. change your cards and your good to go mostly, all that other stuff is out there anyways usually for people to find out.DeadlyYellow said:
They got on the wrong side of some people who they really shouldn't have. I'm not entirely certain it relates, but in my mind, the whole Geohotz/Anonymous/Hacker community thing could have been handled better. As for their security, I think nothing is 100% secure, so I can't personally fault them for that.
HOW CAN YOU NOT BLAME SONY THEIR SECURITY SYSTEM WAS FAULTY! Thats like not subprime mortgages for the economy collapse. sony is 100% accountable for what happened! they knowing ly had security flaws that they over looked!
I blame the hackers AND sony, but the thing is, I expect hackers to hack stuff (that's kinda their thing), but I would also expect sony to used security measures that are stronger than a wet paper towel. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though, sony has a long history of not giving a damn about their customers.
look up
its called "quantum cryptography"
http://www.nato.int/science/studies_and_projects/nato_funded/pdf/982735.pdf
http://www.gizmag.com/quantum-cryptography-secure-communication/16875/
while impractical there are solutions that are 100% secureJoshica Huracane said:
its called "quantum cryptography"
http://www.nato.int/science/studies_and_projects/nato_funded/pdf/982735.pdf
http://www.gizmag.com/quantum-cryptography-secure-communication/16875/
Yep, pretty much damned if you do, damned if you don't situation at this point for them.Gigatoast said:
Shitty security = Sony is partially at fault
Great security? Well then: shitty timing on disclosing incredibly important information that could've saved people their financial security = Sony is partially at fault
It's true, mate. Anything can be hacked. Even the most air tight security can eventually be hacked (maybe, at some point, after like years of work). However, last time I checked, the hackers didn't steal Sony's ability to communicate with it's consumers who were in MAJOR danger.
Whether you blame Sony for being hacked or not, Sony deserves the international derision, and anybody who thinks they don't is being ridiculous.
Perfect explanation for what I and others are saying:
http://www.gamesradar.com/f/why-you-shouldnt-blame-sony-for-the-psn-mess-and-why-you-really-really-should/a-20110427114345836073
^^This.kortin said:
Delaying press release was bad. NOTHING is unhackable (at least if it has internet access), so I don't really blame Sony for getting hacked.
Actually, this is exactly what happened. The hackers didn't seize Sony's server buildings and take hard drives by force. They asked nicely (in computer protocol terms) and Sony's servers sent them the entire motherlode. Sony has total power over, and responsibility for, what their servers do.Astoria said:
First off, any IP asking for more than one account should have been a red flag. A huge unprecedented spike in account details should've been a bigger red flag.
Second off, no account data should've been given without the user password. Said password should never have been stored, only hashed.
Third off, no server accessible to the outside should have credit card numbers, let alone send them to anyone except the credit card system.
Sony alone is responsible for the security hole in PSN they created. No modded chip, no one special number should have allowed access to millions of users' account details.
And, yes, the hackers should be caught, convicted, and incarcerated for taking advantage of this.