Poll: What do you think about circumcision?

[Bento Box]

see, the thing is, i'm glad my parents had me circumcised. Uncircumcised penises look horrible and too much like an animals penis. I know we're animals, but that doesn't mean we need to look like them just because it's natural.

I'm glad they had it done early mainly because it's riskier and a lot more painful later in life not to mention you don't remember it when it's done at birth.

also, to Wushu..."circumcision is bullshit, Penn and Teller say so." seriously? ....seriously? You lost all credibility with that line with me. Not because it's Penn and Teller ,I watch them all the time, but; because you apparently have to have someones "say so" to validate your beliefs.

Oh, just fuck you. Honestly?

You think it looks hideous because the norm in America is the cut schlong. You literally have zero context-awareness. If you lived in a place where people didn't slice babies' dicks as a matter of course, you'd look at a cut one and say, "oh god, what is wrong with that dick? It's hideous! It's got a huge chunk missing from it!"

Tell you what -- I think that fingernails are awful-looking. I really think they make us look too much like animals, and frankly I think we should just tear all the finger- and toenails off of children when they're born. I don't want to look like an animal, just because it's natural.

As for his quirk about Penn and Teller, he's specifically alluding to an episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit, where they debunked the myths surrounding the alleged benefits of circumcision (most of which are hygenic and just as easily accomplished by washing your dick (or are you morally objected to touching yourself?). He wasn't letting Penn and Teller dictate his beliefs; he was making a cute allusion to a well-done expose on a fairly important issue.

 

[predatorpulse7]

see, the thing is, i'm glad my parents had me circumcised. Uncircumcised penises look horrible and too much like an animals penis. I know we're animals, but that doesn't mean we need to look like them just because it's natural.

I'm glad they had it done early mainly because it's riskier and a lot more painful later in life not to mention you don't remember it when it's done at birth.

also, to Wushu..."circumcision is bullshit, Penn and Teller say so." seriously? ....seriously? You lost all credibility with that line with me. Not because it's Penn and Teller ,I watch them all the time, but; because you apparently have to have someones "say so" to validate your beliefs.

Well Sholtz(tough to figure out which religion you belong to LAWL), it only looks like a animal dong to you because you(I assume you live in the US) are used to seeing circumcised dicks. Most elsewhere outside of the jewish and muslim world, you would be the weirdo for CUTTING YOUR DICK. Oh, and almost all mammals have foreskins. I can't imagine why.

If you believe that God made you in his image, he made you with a foreskin. Why would God want part of your dick to be chopped off?

I can maybe understand the way primitive desert people thought about the body when they decided to cut up their kids dicks but in civilized modern societies the practice is outdated and barbaric. And the reason they are done isn't because of aesthetics or supposed medical advantages(most debunked ages go), but because of RELIGIOUS reasons(read:irrational). Medieval Europeans observed that mostly jews and turks practiced circumcision(which was considered barbaric by medieval standards) and even today, only 30% or so of males around the world are circumcised, 70% of those being muslims.

If we are doing pros and cons for circumcision the cons list is very long while the pro(supposed) is quite short. Luckily since medical associations in most countries don't favor circumcision and most people already don't get circumcised, this practice will fall out of favor more and more or at least be left up to the kid when he grows up.

I get why some of you are defensive(you are cut) but we aren't attacking you(it's not like you had a say in the matter), just the stupid practice. I myself am cut but due to phimosis and medical conditions are the only legitimate requisite to be cut in the first place.

It's somewhat funny that a developed country like the US(world power even) still considers this barbaric practices as normal. You are in the same league as backwards countries from Africa and the Middle East and don't even know it. Before the 19th century and the puritanical surge to prevent masturbation, no one in the western world even considered getting rid of their "animal dongs".

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Okay, how about this though. I'm circumcised, and I don't want to be. It's considered absolutely horrendous to circumcise a female, so why should it be any different to circumcise a male?

Yes, I understand physically, the two operations are very different. But my point is this: you are mutilating a child. Your child very well may not agree with your reasoning for that mutilation when it grows up. So don't cut your kid.

The fact that ONE person. One. Is circumsized and wished he wasnt. Is enough proof to in my opinion legally ban it until the person is 18. Its just llegal mutilation. Heres a good example of what i want to say.

Exactly. The doctors would freak out if after a child's birth, the parents wanted to cut off part of the baby's earlobe, or the tip of its nose. So why is a penis any more tolerable? Just because members of a widely-accepted religion do it is -not- a sufficient response.

I decide when my baby is born im going to challenge the doctor to lop off its little toes. I wont want him to, but i want to see if i can get him to agree for religious reasons then stop him and call him out on his idiocy.

SNIP

If its so amazing, why couldnt you get it done at 18, i mean your penis is going to see the most use after this age anyway, now you can decide and theres no risk of accidental baby mutilation.

124 people think its ok to randomly mutilate a child because they happen to like the results afterwards, even though there was an equal chance they would not. I weep for humanity. I hope you all tattoo/ remove random parts from your baby

There is no legitimate arguement for baby mutilation unless done for an absolutely neccessary medical purpose. I weep. I actually weep. What a fucking disgusting world we live in where society deems baby mutilation OK BECAUSE OF RELIGION. Are we dancing round a fucking tribal fetish now? DOES HE DEMAND SACRIFICE?! WHAT ARE WE FUCKING TWO?! Do we REALLY think because a voice told us to, or jimmy said it was OK that its FINE to jam this fork into the plug socket?! Do we not see the RESULTS of our actions? CAnt we wait 18 years to get circumsized if it means so much to you to avoid people hating being violated and mutiliated when they have NO choice over the matter?!

 

[vgmaster831]

I think that it should be up to the individual when they're old enough to choose (say 16 or 18). I remember watching a clip of a debate online where one of the supporters of circumcision, when asked about the idea of leaving it up to the person at age 18, said "That's silly how many 18 year olds are going to volunteer to have their foreskin removed?" Which I found hilarious because that's exactly the point.

I'm uncircumcised and don't wish to be so. There are no real benefits to do so; just risks.

There is a proven sensory benefit, the foreskin has a lot of nerves that I wish I had. The risks involved with being uncircumcised are actually quite low. Infectious diseases can be eliminated with, and this is a bit shocking, soap! I think people who use this argument don't realize that the only thing necessary to prevent germs is proper hygiene. If your worried about uncleanliness, just remember when your showering to fold the skin back like your using fisstech and do a little scrubbing.

He meant that there are risks involved with circumcision. He agreed that there is no good reason to slice a... ehh, fingers are tired of all that text manipulation. Anyway, yeah, he was specifically saying that there are no benefits and plenty of risks involved in circumcision.

I'm a bit confused by where he said he was uncircumcised and did not wish to be so, and implied that being uncircumcised has risks, while circumcision has none.

 

[JochemDude]

I'm circumcised, don't know why I don't talk to my parents that often, too tight of a foreskin if I remember correctly. They're not in any way religious or anything so that's probably not it. All that aside, I've never not enjoyed sex so what's the problem?

 

[Oskamunda]

and some trumped up human rights claims to NOT do it.

Explain trumped up.

Trumped Up Human Rights Claims:

To consider oneself pure and wholesome enough to dictate terms of inherent justice accorded to all beings irregardless of age, gender, religion, nationality, subculture, sexual orientation, income, caste distinction, or political inclination; especially if this purity and wholesomeness stems from a spiritual or cultural font that is not uniform throughout the world.

Example: Preamble to the Declaration of Independence, adopted July 4, 1776: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Those trumped up human rights didn't include black people until the passage of the 14th amendment, adopted on July 9, 1868; it did not include women until the adoption of the 19th amendment on August 18, 1920 (although, it can be fair to say one doesn't need the right to vote to be happy, RIGHT?).

Example: Certain people of spiritual inclination disallow contraceptives of any kind aside from Family Planning [http://www.christianfamilyplanning.org/]. They believe that life begins at conception (for the sake of argument, and to prevent igniting a frenzy, the court accepts this point), and that newborns, fetuses, and pre-fetus zygotes need be given the same rights as a fully-formed human being. South Africa has one of the highest rape rates in the world. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#South_Africa] Judging by these "certain people's" trumped up human rights standards, a South African female would be disallowed the use of an anti-rape device [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device], even though it has nothing to do with child-bearing, and more to do with prevention of rape, thus substituting the perceived rights of one individual over another.

Example: The U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act] (yes, in case you didn't know, it acutally IS a fucking acronym)...never mind, you aren't reading anymore, anyway.

Let this guy make you laugh about it instead. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ7XFvniWWE]

~Poste Scriptum
I hope that explains "Trumped Up Human Rights Claims."

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

some trumped up human rights claims to NOT do it.

I mean after all its only a trumped up human right not to be cut against your will as a small infant. The medical purposes aside, the ear lobe can get infected and in fact the ear itself can get many nasty infections due to the depth of the canal. If we lopped the whole ear off we could reduce infection... seems legit Lets just cut the exterior ear off except for a little bit to allow hearing to remain the same. Or the ends of the little toes? How about a tattoo! My baby is so CUSTOMISABLE I can just cut it however i want because its an object and i can decide how its penis can be because I OWN IT. This seems legit. Also im sorry but i doubt its possible or easy to regrow a tonne of skin thats just been cut off and that isnt attatched at both ends. What we have there is a truncation. Its been removed and only the skin that it was attatched too was healed over.

Because your tribal fetish says its ok isnt a legitimate reason. No culture/religious morals should be loop holes through real morals. Cutting a baby IS BAD FOR ANY REASON other than purely medical and only if its 100% neccessary. Id like a choice in what happens to my dong even if it can potentially preduce syphalis rates. I dont even sleep around! Maybe i deserve a choice in who cuts/does not cut my penis? Maybe? Doesnt that shound a bit like a right to you?

 

[Sholtz]

see, the thing is, i'm glad my parents had me circumcised. Uncircumcised penises look horrible and too much like an animals penis. I know we're animals, but that doesn't mean we need to look like them just because it's natural.

I'm glad they had it done early mainly because it's riskier and a lot more painful later in life not to mention you don't remember it when it's done at birth.

also, to Wushu..."circumcision is bullshit, Penn and Teller say so." seriously? ....seriously? You lost all credibility with that line with me. Not because it's Penn and Teller ,I watch them all the time, but; because you apparently have to have someones "say so" to validate your beliefs.

Oh, just fuck you. Honestly?

You think it looks hideous because the norm in America is the cut schlong. You literally have zero context-awareness. If you lived in a place where people didn't slice babies' dicks as a matter of course, you'd look at a cut one and say, "oh god, what is wrong with that dick? It's hideous! It's got a huge chunk missing from it!"

Tell you what -- I think that fingernails are awful-looking. I really think they make us look too much like animals, and frankly I think we should just tear all the finger- and toenails off of children when they're born. I don't want to look like an animal, just because it's natural.

As for his quirk about Penn and Teller, he's specifically alluding to an episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit, where they debunked the myths surrounding the alleged benefits of circumcision (most of which are hygenic and just as easily accomplished by washing your dick (or are you morally objected to touching yourself?). He wasn't letting Penn and Teller dictate his beliefs; he was making a cute allusion to a well-done expose on a fairly important issue.

Your reason for cussing at me is? So quick to judgement, someones got a low self image or something. Look you want your nails torn out, that's awesome. I love the idea really just yesterday i was thinking to myself. You know it's weird that we have these reduced claws basically we should either have eagle talons or just lose them entirely. If they weren't there the tender skin underneath wouldn't be tender anymore it would be like any other skin. So they don't really protect anything...no shittin' ya.

One thing i notice is you're so quick to tell me i have zero context for my dislike of the way uncircumcised penises look. Actually, that would well be the case if people walked around nude all day where I was made use to circumcised penis, but ya see we don't walk around naked here. My dislike of uncircumcised penis is due to ONLY to the fact it resembles an animal penis. Like a dogs in it's sheath.

 

[Guardian of Nekops]

Might as well do it young, when they're already crying all the time anyway.

Let's be honest. No kid is ever going to decide that it would be a GOOD idea to let some guy take a knife to him, once they reach the age to decide. At least, the number that did would be very small outside of religious households that require such... that sounds like it would hurt. From what I hear, it does.

I'm circumsized, I don't remember it happening, and I've had no problems... it's really not a big issue. My parent's take on it was that circumsision or not should depend on the dad's situation... that way when you're teaching the kid to pee and taking showers with him at a young age and the like, and he catches a glimpse of his dad's tackle, he doesn't feel weird. Seems as good a rationale as any.

Mercifully, I don't remember my dad's tackle, either.

What are the medical benefits?

It is apparently easier to keep clean, cutting down on infections... though there are studies either way on that. A lot of minor medical things are like that... which way up you should put your baby to bed to reduce chance of death, whether a glass of wine a day is beneficial... these things tend to switch back and forth every time someone looks at them. Having taken care of the obvious stuff (you should probably sterilize your tools before surgery, etc) a lot of the other statistical stuff is harder to determine for sure.

All told, not a big deal, so you might as well let the parents decide. Not really necessary one way or the other, unless you're Jewish, and it's not harmful. Fine as is.

Edit:

Id like a choice in what happens to my dong even if it can potentially preduce syphalis rates. I dont even sleep around! Maybe i deserve a choice in who cuts/does not cut my penis? Maybe? Doesnt that shound a bit like a right to you?

Oh please. I suppose you wanted to weigh in on whether the doctor closed up your belly button as an inny or an outie, or what you ate, or whether you held Daddy's hand or ran across the street on your own.

Kids don't get a right to choose, about anything, until they're old enough to stop eating sand, and for good reason. Yeah, there are and should be laws on the books to keep kids from being abused and mutilated, but never forget that your parents/other caregivers made literally MILLIONS of decisions for you, by force, the net result of which is you living long enough to sit at your computer and work the keys. So give them a little credit for knowing what's best for you, and for trying to take the best care of you they could. Again, if they hadn't, you wouldn't be here.

If the biggest thing you have to complain about during those early years is that you're missing an unneeded flap of skin that nobody ever sees, well... talk to your folks. I bet they've got enough horror stories about that time to drown out that little concern of yours. Easily.

 

[Samus Aran but a man]

Absolutely the baby's choice - because if the only medical reason for circumcision is to prevent AIDS (if that is true...), well I think it can wait until the child is older.

I don't get why people do it for non-medical reasons; why would you cause so much pain to a beautiful baby boy, just as he has entered this world?!! Makes me sad... I need a happy meal.

 

[Naeras]

Letting adults do it if they want? Absolutely, that's their choice. Doing it for medical reasons? Well duh.
Cutting off part of the penis of a little kid? No. No no no no. It's not quite as bad as female circumcision, but it's painful for the kid, it's fucking unnecessary and it shows a complete lack of respect for the kid.

It is apparently easier to keep clean, cutting down on infections...

It's not hard to clean in the first place, and studies show that more circumcised men(and their partners) more often have problems with their sex life, including problems with getting orgasms and having intercourse be painful.

 

[Sholtz]

see, the thing is, i'm glad my parents had me circumcised. Uncircumcised penises look horrible and too much like an animals penis. I know we're animals, but that doesn't mean we need to look like them just because it's natural.

I'm glad they had it done early mainly because it's riskier and a lot more painful later in life not to mention you don't remember it when it's done at birth.

also, to Wushu..."circumcision is bullshit, Penn and Teller say so." seriously? ....seriously? You lost all credibility with that line with me. Not because it's Penn and Teller ,I watch them all the time, but; because you apparently have to have someones "say so" to validate your beliefs.

Well Sholtz(tough to figure out which religion you belong to LAWL), it only looks like a animal dong to you because you(I assume you live in the US) are used to seeing circumcised dicks. Most elsewhere outside of the jewish and muslim world, you would be the weirdo for CUTTING YOUR DICK. Oh, and almost all mammals have foreskins. I can't imagine why.

If you believe that God made you in his image, he made you with a foreskin. Why would God want part of your dick to be chopped off?

I can maybe understand the way primitive desert people thought about the body when they decided to cut up their kids dicks but in civilized modern societies the practice is outdated and barbaric. And the reason they are done isn't because of aesthetics or supposed medical advantages(most debunked ages go), but because of RELIGIOUS reasons(read:irrational). Medieval Europeans observed that mostly jews and turks practiced circumcision(which was considered barbaric by medieval standards) and even today, only 30% or so of males around the world are circumcised, 70% of those being muslims.

If we are doing pros and cons for circumcision the cons list is very long while the pro(supposed) is quite short. Luckily since medical associations in most countries don't favor circumcision and most people already don't get circumcised, this practice will fall out of favor more and more or at least be left up to the kid when he grows up.

I get why some of you are defensive(you are cut) but we aren't attacking you(it's not like you had a say in the matter), just the stupid practice. I myself am cut but due to phimosis and medical conditions are the only legitimate requisite to be cut in the first place.

It's somewhat funny that a developed country like the US(world power even) still considers this barbaric practices as normal. You are in the same league as backwards countries from Africa and the Middle East and don't even know it. Before the 19th century and the puritanical surge to prevent masturbation, no one in the western world even considered getting rid of their "animal dongs".

It's tough to figure out what religion i am, because I'm atheist. I merely dislike the way the natural penis looks as i stated. You jump to trying to debunk all this stuff. I don't have any of that as a reasoning for it. I just dislike the way it looks, and I for one am glad i was circumcised early because I would be undergoing a surgery that would leave me in pain for months if it was not done early in life, and yes i would undergo it.

It's ugly, you can stop attacking my country now by being a bigot btw. Just so you know. Every single country out there is evil in someway no need playing holier then thou.

 

[Jak23]

Just googled uncircumcised penis and threw up, everyone circumcise your babies!

American spotted.

You geniuses, that's the way you're supposed to look and that's the way you looked as well(I'll assume you're a guy) before your parents decided that cutting up your dick would be a-ok.

An uncut dick(aka the natural kind) wouldn't raise an eyebrow in two thirds of the world.

It is a barbaric and primitive ritual and surprise surprise, 70% of all circumcisions occur in the muslim world. And if we are talking about regions it occurs mainly in Africa, parts of SE Asia, South Korea, Phillipines. Real select group you got there America.

And guess what, even countries that did dabble in circumcision at times like Canada,Australia,UK,New Zeeland are seeing a clear decline in male circumcision while the only demand seems to be in... Southern Africa.

You are probably gonna see a lot more uncircumcised dicks in the future. OH THE HORROR!!!

Dude. You need to learn how to recognize a joke...

 

[trollnystan]

Unless for religious or medical reasons I don't think you should circumcise babies. ESPECIALLY not for aesthetic reasons.

 

[Sholtz]

As for his quirk about Penn and Teller, he's specifically alluding to an episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit, where they debunked the myths surrounding the alleged benefits of circumcision (most of which are hygenic and just as easily accomplished by washing your dick (or are you morally objected to touching yourself?). He wasn't letting Penn and Teller dictate his beliefs; he was making a cute allusion to a well-done expose on a fairly important issue.

As for all this, I'm aware of what it's about. Again none of the reasons they debunked are my reasons for backing circumcision. My view is that I hate the way uncircumcised looks, I am glad it was done early in life. If it wasn't i would undergo it as an adult, but the fact it was saves me from the months of raw tenderness and pain it would cause. Whereas i can't remember it, it doesn't hurt me at all, and I have a penis i'm not disgusted of. I don't care whether you prefer yours to be uncircumcised. I don't have to look at yours or anyone elses but mine.

 

[Phototoxin]

I think its wrong to chop bits off people unnecesssarily. Failing that, how come male circumcision is ok but female circumcision is 'genital mutilation'

 

[Guardian of Nekops]

I think its wrong to chop bits off people unnecesssarily. Failing that, how come male circumcision is ok but female circumcision is 'genital mutilation'

Female circumcision is done with the express purpose of removing any possible pleasure from sex. Ever. It also tends to cause horrific tearing during pregnancy.

It tends to be done by men to women, as well, as opposed to as a joint decision in the household. Female circumsion is a symbol of the woman's servile role in the societies where it is practiced, whereas male circumcision has no such stigma.

This is comparing trimming a fingernail and removing the finger, it really is. A circumsized male is fully functional sexually, while a circumcized female has lost the capacity to have an orgasm and has some added, pretty major, health risks.

Big difference.

 

[Sholtz]

As for his quirk about Penn and Teller, he's specifically alluding to an episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit, where they debunked the myths surrounding the alleged benefits of circumcision (most of which are hygenic and just as easily accomplished by washing your dick (or are you morally objected to touching yourself?). He wasn't letting Penn and Teller dictate his beliefs; he was making a cute allusion to a well-done expose on a fairly important issue.

As for all this, I'm aware of what it's about. Again none of the reasons they debunked are my reasons for backing circumcision. My view is that I hate the way uncircumcised looks, I am glad it was done early in life. If it wasn't i would undergo it as an adult, but the fact it was saves me from the months of raw tenderness and pain it would cause. Whereas i can't remember it, it doesn't hurt me at all, and I have a penis i'm not disgusted of. I don't care whether you prefer yours to be uncircumcised. I don't have to look at yours or anyone elses but mine.

You like the way it looks because you've been with it since you were a baby. Period.

And that would be a poor reason to cut a baby with no choice in the matter.

No, actually again like i said earlier, this would only be the case if people walked around naked all day and i got use to everyone looking a certain way. I dislike the way it looks because it's ugly...period

 

[bakan]

The only logical reason for it is if you have something like phimosis, which needs to be corrected, otherwise the parents should leave the children alone and they can decide it for themselves, if they want to be circumcised, or not.

 

[ThePinkAcidSmurf]

No religion should give you the right to mutilate your child.