Poll: What do you think about circumcision?

[Dejawesp]

Let the kid do it if he wants to when he gets older. There's no medical benefit to it. People push the sanitation argument but then can't you be arsed to clean your dick like everyone else?

People also push the "reduces the risk of HIV infection argument" but then that's only true if you have unprotected sex and then it just means you catch it a little later

Cosmetic surgery on a newborn is ridiculous and if he wants to have it done he can do it when he is old enough to decide.

 

[BathorysGraveland]

Well, I was one of the unfortunate ones whose mother decided to wait until I was old enough to make my own choice... but it didn't go down that way.

I was about 11, I think, when my penis became infected, rather severely I think, I can't remember it 100%, being something I have wished to forget (lol). But anyway, long story short, I had to be circumsized, at age 11. Such excruciating pain I wouldn't wish on anyone. So I believe if someone is going to be circumsized, it is better to do it as a baby or don't do it at all, because from what I've been told (and I can certainly believe it), the pain is tripled when you get older.

I'm speaking from a purely medically beneficial point here, too. It is much cleaner when circumsized and easier to wash.

 

[NastyLeviathan]

I would like to say to the people saying that doctors who circumcise recently born babies due to the parents request be given the death penalty or be charged with bodily harm to stop flipping the fuck out and be sensible. It's an accepted medical procedure, and not everyone who is circumcised is so pissed off that they have no foreskin.

I know that I don't care, and neither do all of my jewish and non jewish friend who are circumcised. Stop crusading for people who don't need it guys. You're being silly.

 

[GaltarDude1138]

I'd honestly rather my penis not look like this (NSFW): http://www.circinfo.com/all_about/abc.html

EDIT: And yes, I know it's a site for 7-10 year olds so their parents don't have to explain why, but that was the first link in Google, alright?

 

[Vicarious Reality]

YOU ARE CUTTING THE SKIN OFF YOUR PENIS

WHAT THE FUCK

 

[Asclepion]

Cut vs. Uncut

 

[Knight Templar]

After hearing how horrible it was for a friend that had it done in his late teens, there is no way in Hell I'm making my male child wait that long to be cut.

If you've heard it to be so horrible, why would you want to do it at all?

I didn't mind it when it happened to me as an infant.

That doesn't answer my question.

You don't know why people get circumcised, and you want me to explain it to you?

Really?

I was asking you why you would get your child circumcised if you think the surgery is so horrific.

Or do you employ every reason anybody has ever had for circumcision? I can't read your mind so I asked.
Would you kindly stop dodging the question and tell why you would decide to put your child through something you considered horrific?

 

[scrambledeggs]

i can understand from a religious point of view of the parent, but until they get older i think the boy/man should decide.
Although...................it does have hygiene benefits and helps against certain infectious bacteria.

Edit: Also, sometimes during sex the foreskin can rip a little so that might be a reason for a man to decide to "snip snip"

I don't know if anyone has replied to you... but it has no affect on bacterial infection and it is widely regarded that sex is better with a foreskin than without because your head isn't exposed to rubbing all day so you have more nerve endings there. If you don't believe me google it. Just thought i'd inform you.

 

[scrambledeggs]

YOU ARE CUTTING THE SKIN OFF YOUR PENIS

WHAT THE FUCK

hahah so true, so funny.

 

[scrambledeggs]

After hearing how horrible it was for a friend that had it done in his late teens, there is no way in Hell I'm making my male child wait that long to be cut.

If you've heard it to be so horrible, why would you want to do it at all?

I didn't mind it when it happened to me as an infant.

That doesn't answer my question.

You don't know why people get circumcised, and you want me to explain it to you?

Really?

I was asking you why you would get your child circumcised if you think the surgery is so horrific.

Or do you employ every reason anybody has ever had for circumcision? I can't read your mind so I asked.
Would you kindly stop dodging the question and tell why you would decide to put your child through something you considered horrific?

Snarky, eh?

Because it isn't horrific for an infant. If you get it done later on, you remember.

Putting someone in a coma to cut off their hand, for long enough they feel no pain and don't remember, doesn't make it right.

 

[Knight Templar]

Snarky, eh?

Because it isn't horrific for an infant. If you get it done later on, you remember.

But why get it done at all?
By that rational it's ok to remove their ears, fingers and toes because they won't remember that either. You're saying you think it's ok to do terrible things as long as the victim doesn't remember the event. Do you realise this is what you're saying? No other justification or motivation beyond "they won't remember".

That was my question "If you've heard it to be so horrible, why would you want to do it at all?"
Is it such a hard question to answer?

EDIT: It seems you don't even have a reason. Great.

 

[poodlenoodles]

i'm having trouble finding a comment that says anything about how much circumcision lowers your chance of contracting STI's. yes, i just said that. it has been proven that you are up to 60% less likely to contract HIV if you have been circumcised. it's not really as horrific as people make it out to be, in fact, people should be much more aware of how much good being circumcised can do.

 

[Madara XIII]

i was on another thread and a user posted a very negative comment about circumcision. I'm not gonna link to it, but he said parents shouldn't be allowed to circumcise their children and ones who do should be punished.

i'm circumcised and i can't imagine being uncircumcised, so i don't think it should be illegal. but what do you think?


(10 points says poll gets eaten)


-EDIT-

based on the angry replies i've been getting people seem to think that because i don't think it should be illegal, i must think everyone should be circumcised. i don't really give a shit. i'm not jewish, so i don't have any religious obligation, so i won't if i have a son. i was just curious to see what other people thought.

No offense to you sir and I know you mean well.
But you just opened up one of the biggest cans of Worms since Vegetarians vs Omnivores.

Shit already got too real for me and seeing as how I voted I'll kindly take my opinions to a place where I won't be verbally castigated for having a view that people don't agree with.

My best regards to you, kind sir/madam and I hope you don't get a headache for this controversial subject

 

[Madara XIII]

After hearing how horrible it was for a friend that had it done in his late teens, there is no way in Hell I'm making my male child wait that long to be cut.

If you've heard it to be so horrible, why would you want to do it at all?

I didn't mind it when it happened to me as an infant.

That doesn't answer my question.

You don't know why people get circumcised, and you want me to explain it to you?

Really?

I was asking you why you would get your child circumcised if you think the surgery is so horrific.

Or do you employ every reason anybody has ever had for circumcision? I can't read your mind so I asked.
Would you kindly stop dodging the question and tell why you would decide to put your child through something you considered horrific?

Snarky, eh?

Because it isn't horrific for an infant. If you get it done later on, you remember.

Putting someone in a coma to cut off their hand, for long enough they feel no pain and don't remember, doesn't make it right.

Oh yeah, that's totally right. You win the internetz. Thank you for putting me in my place, and showing me the errors of my ways. Prepuce is beautiful, and needs to be preserved.

Cheers!

EDIT: I just read a few pages in this thread... no conversation here, no need to quote me again.

Just avoid it man. Half this shit ain't worth troubling yourself over.

 

[BrassButtons]

i'm having trouble finding a comment that says anything about how much circumcision lowers your chance of contracting STI's. yes, i just said that. it has been proven that you are up to 60% less likely to contract HIV if you have been circumcised. it's not really as horrific as people make it out to be, in fact, people should be much more aware of how much good being circumcised can do.

Of course, unless you're worried about your infant having sex, this isn't a good reason to circumcise a baby. If an adult wants to do it to himself for that reason, though, then that's cool. Probably be easier to just practice safe sex, but it's their choice.

 

[Divine Miss Bee]

considering that i've seen several uncles and grandfathers have to go through getting it removed later in life for medical reasons, i say parents should do it for the kids when they're babies so that they don't have to go through weeks of rehab if there are complications later. my parents did it for my younger brother because of all the family history of complications and i don't think he cares one way or the other. besides, your son will thank you later because (myself included) every girl i know thinks circumsized is more attractive and most studies agree that sex and stimulation feel better to circumsized men than to uncircumsized ones.

 

[PrototypeC]

I don't understand what's difficult, let alone rage-worthy, about this. It sounds really horrible and disgusting not to mention cruel, but it actually isn't any of those things. There's not that big of a difference having it on or off, but most hospitals in my country do it standard, so that it doesn't become a health issue later in life. If not, plenty of parents will have it done anyway for religious reasons.

I sort of remember it (How old was I? I must remember to ask). Just getting knocked out with drugs, going into a room and then something was different down there. Done and done.

 

[xdom125x]

I could not vote because my choice isn't there. Mine is that the only justification for performing a circumcision on an infant that should work is an actual medical one. You shouldn't be having medically unnecessary procedures performed on your child, end of story.

Here are a few justifications that shouldn't work (with why they don't work):
1) "It's a person's religious right to do so." No it isn't. Your right to practice your religion is restricted at the point where you physically injure people without their consent.

2) "It's traditional/ it's popular". (Rolled them together because they have the same counterpoint) Other people doing something, whether currently or millenia ago does not make it right to do it. And holding onto traditions just because they are traditions is some circular logic.

3) "It makes the penis easier to clean". Slightly easier, I suppose. This might have once been useful cleanliness-wise when people were living in the desert and baths were few and far between, but now it is made obsolete by the regular use of soap and water.

4) "He won't remember it if it's performed when he's a baby". The victim having no recollection of pain inflicted upon them does not justify inflicting pain upon them.

And this is just asking a favor: Can people that are against circumcision, please (please) avoid comparing it to FGM. They are apples and oranges (while both bad, one is way, way worse than the other)

 

[Robby Foxfur]

figure i'd toss my two cents in here don't think anyone will bother reading it on page 15 or whatever, but I don't like the fact that i'm circumcised. Now i have weighed this back and forth in my head for something like 8 years now, wanting to undo it and then not and so on. I'm not happy that i am circumcised but with all the research i have done on it. I'd say that i'd like to undo it but its more like wanting to have had it been my choice. I never really feel people should make life choices for others, its not your call, unless someone is gonna die its not really your call, that's just my thought. Has to be my live and let live ideas.

My boyfriend is not circumcised and he would have rathered it the other way. So it really a personal choice not a parents choice.

As far as religious reasons, i'm gonna avoid that because its like mine field.

So i know a lot about this topic and i can say that its really a choice for you not others, you can "undo" it but its never really the same as what you were born with. That's the reason I'm both angry about this topic and sad.

 

[ILikeEggs]

And this is just asking a favor: Can people that are against circumcision, please (please) avoid comparing it to FGM. They are apples and oranges (while both bad, one is way, way worse than the other)

That really all depends on what degree of FGM is being discussed. The 'least terrible' form of FGM would involve removing the clitoral hood, which is pretty much the same as removing the foreskin.
Of course, comparing other forms of FGM that go beyond that to circumcision would indeed be like comparing apples and oranges.

I hate everyone who thinks that it is wrong. They are limp-wristed flower pickers who want to cry about anything and everything. Child mutilation? What the fu? It's removing of an unnecessary part of the body that will most likely get all dirty and fill up with cheese that doesn't work well with toast.

Your attempt at an appeal to "manliness" is cute.
By your narrow-minded worldview, most males outside of the US, Africa and certain Middle Eastern countries are limp-wristed flower-pickers. Brilliant generalisation.
Additionally, if you were a little less ignorant, you'd know that it takes less than half minute a day to clean properly down there. The only way you could have anything build up is if you go without bathing for over ten days, in which case, I'm pretty sure dirty genitals will be the least of your worries unless you're living in a cave far from civilisation.

You sound nearly as bad as the post I'm quoting below, only that post was actually satirical in nature.

Circumcision? Why hasn't this caught on yet?
Who wouldn't want to cut off a part of their dick? I can't wait to try this to myself!
The kids at the mall would see me and be like "dude, you cut off your own dick? Wow!", and I'd be like "Nah man, just the tip", and they'd be like "That's the most bad-ass thing I've heard all day, rock on.", and then I'd punch a security guard off a Segway and everyone would cheer because I'm so wicked awesome.