Poll: What is your stance on Guns?

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olshriek

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umm can I have the option of the current gun laws ie you know shotguns, hunting rifles and pistols?
I don't really think I need military ordinance to go deer hunting and I doubt I could goose hunt with a pistol, I guess I could try if you want but I kind of like my 12 gauge.

Also do you mean carry or own? If you mean carry then no I'm against carry laws. If you mean own then everything except modern military should be allowed.
 

Vicarious Reality

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The problem is that no one except me wants to institute and maintain a strict licensing system that checks if the person is responsible enough to own guns of varying lethality.

Every person has the right to own whatever they wish as long as they are sane.
 

loc978

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ravensheart18 said:
RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
orangeban said:
I like Britain's way. You can only have shotguns and rifles, and you can only have them for shooting pests (on farms) and hunting (though I don't agree with hunting.) You also can't carry them about town and have to keep them in a safe.

The idea that in America anyone around me could have a gun? Gives me the heebie-jeebies thinking about it.
What about a knife? Someone close by could just as easily draw a knife and stab you as they could pull a gun and shoot you.
People DO die from people who pull guns and hit an innocent bystander, the same is not true of a knife.
Far, far more people die in traffic accidents than shootings. Are you afraid to drive, or walk across the street? A car is often a more potent weapon than a gun. You'd do as well to get the heebie-jeebies from every car you see pass by.
 

Souplex

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My stance is that only people who use the search bar properly should be allowed to own guns or make threads.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.146207-Poll-Fun-control#3329136
 

orangeban

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RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
orangeban said:
I like Britain's way. You can only have shotguns and rifles, and you can only have them for shooting pests (on farms) and hunting (though I don't agree with hunting.) You also can't carry them about town and have to keep them in a safe.

The idea that in America anyone around me could have a gun? Gives me the heebie-jeebies thinking about it.
What about a knife? Someone close by could just as easily draw a knife and stab you as they could pull a gun and shoot you. More likely to get away from the scene as well. The fear that someone MIGHT have a gun is irrational if you do not equally fear the blade that may be a mere foot from your back. Even then such paranoia is irrational. Simply because one is armed dosen't mean they will kill someone at random. Most people aren't psychotic killers on the last thread of humanity they have. Most people with a gun aren't willing to kill someone. If you polled every citizen in the US if they were mentally ready to take a life just because they had a gun in their hand they would say no.

Another thing not all of us are religious zealots praying for rain or for god to fix the economy.
Easy buddy, I didn't say that everyone might pull a gun and shoot me, I was meerly saying the idea of it made me uneasy. Also, you can't carry a knife in Britain either.
 

orangeban

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loc978 said:
ravensheart18 said:
RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
orangeban said:
I like Britain's way. You can only have shotguns and rifles, and you can only have them for shooting pests (on farms) and hunting (though I don't agree with hunting.) You also can't carry them about town and have to keep them in a safe.

The idea that in America anyone around me could have a gun? Gives me the heebie-jeebies thinking about it.
What about a knife? Someone close by could just as easily draw a knife and stab you as they could pull a gun and shoot you.
People DO die from people who pull guns and hit an innocent bystander, the same is not true of a knife.
Far, far more people die in traffic accidents than shootings. Are you afraid to drive, or walk across the street? A car is often a more potent weapon than a gun. You'd do as well to get the heebie-jeebies from every car you see pass by.
Cars make me a bit un-easy (lots of things make me uneasy) but I understand the reason for having a car. Not so much for carrying a gun about town. If you get mugged, give them your wallet, it's not worth anyone dying over. Same with other types of robbery really.
 

loc978

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orangeban said:
Also, you can't carry a knife in Britain either.
That only applies to blades over three inches. You don't need more than three inches of blade to kill a man. This [http://images.goemerchant.net/StoreData/t/theknifetree/Images/D10_ColdSteelPocketBushman_1.jpg], for example, is perfectly legal to carry in London, and quite capable of puncturing your heart, lung, or kidney starting from outside your body.
orangeban said:
Cars make me a bit un-easy (lots of things make me uneasy) but I understand the reason for having a car. Not so much for carrying a gun about town. If you get mugged, give them your wallet, it's not worth anyone dying over. Same with other types of robbery really.
There, I agree with you. There's not a whole lot of reason to carry in most cities... certainly not openly. Depending where I'm going, I might carry a concealed subcompact .38 in a city... but usually I'll go unarmed.
Though really, a person mugging you and you pulling a gun generally doesn't end with anyone dying. 99% of the time it'll end with them running away.
ravensheart18 said:
It's called basic risk management. You eliminate risks that are unnecessary and that can be removed without great cost or hardship.

Guns are not needed, cars are. Therefore you keep the cars, and eliminate the guns. Then you try to make the cars as safe as possible.
In a perfect world, a given government could keep guns out of their country. We don't live in a perfect world. Eliminating gun trade in your country simply necessitates more policing of black market weapons. You wind up with nearly as many guns, and all in the wrong hands.
 

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Souplex said:
My stance is that only people who use the search bar properly should be allowed to own guns or make threads.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.146207-Poll-Fun-control#3329136
Captain obvoius says old threads are old
 

Ulquiorra4sama

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"It is my god-given right to shoot out the brains of any motherf**ker that dares tread into my house without permission"
Sure you should be allowed to use force to escort the dude from the premisses, but there are more civil ways to do it than killing him.

OT: I don't think anyone outside law-enforcement should be allowed to carry arms unless they've got a certificate of some kind that says they're fully capable of handling a gun.

Anything beyond that seems messed up to me.
 

lionsprey

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it's a complicated issue on the one hand allowing everyone to have a gun can't reduce the number of people shoot but on the other hand the people that are most likely to shoot someone are probably going to get a hold of guns anyway.
 

rokkolpo

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I'm not against guns.

I'm against dangerous* people owning guns.

*Dangerous=stupid
 

derdeutschmachine

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well, I own 9 guns as it is and plan to get my FFL with a class 3 license to deal I also have a permit to carry a concealed firearm which I do almost daily. I don't need to rely on anyone if someone or something comes at me, I'll be prepared. I do believe better regulation needs to be put in place but banning weapons is foolish. If people want them, they get them. If ever laws were passed to strip the populace of their right to own guns, I'd be up there with all my buddies rifles and pistols in hand ready to fight and die for my rights.

I trust my 454 and 1911 alot more than I trust my government.
 

Mr.Pandah

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rokkolpo said:
I'm not against guns.

I'm against dangerous* people owning guns.

*Dangerous=stupid
Pretty much this.

I'm a gun owner and I see no problem in a properly trained civilian who has had a background check and all that jazz owning a gun. Even with a right to carry, I still see no problem. A gun is a tool, just like a knife, or a screwdriver, or a car. It's the user that gives it the ability to do whatever they wish with it.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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progunliberty said:
derdeutschmachine said:
well, I own 9 guns as it is and plan to get my FFL with a class 3 license to deal I also have a permit to carry a concealed firearm which I do almost daily. I don't need to rely on anyone if someone or something comes at me, I'll be prepared. I do believe better regulation needs to be put in place but banning weapons is foolish. If people want them, they get them. If ever laws were passed to strip the populace of their right to own guns, I'd be up there with all my buddies rifles and pistols in hand ready to fight and die for my rights.

I trust my 454 and 1911 alot more than I trust my government.
O god you're a very bad man. destroy those firearms now. What if someone wanted to start a communist regime and take over the country? we can't have you pro freedom gun owners fighting back! Its just not right
I'd thought we'd go more than a page before someone envoked Poe's Law. A shame, really.
 

TheJesus89

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Guns should be allowed to the public, but controlled.


It seems like every British person automatically think "Right to Bear Arms = Increase in Crime". That's just not true. Serial numbers help track guns and owners, so it actually makes criminals easier to catch.

You could say that "well what about people who aren't registered shooters that own guns bought illegally?", which is a pretty valid argument. But it also works both ways. If you're going to commit a crime, especially murder/robbery, I don't think having to buy a gun illegally would deter you.

Sure, it doesn't stop everybody, but it does help a lot.

And it keeps the Republicans happy, so everybody wins.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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progunliberty said:
CM156 said:
progunliberty said:
derdeutschmachine said:
well, I own 9 guns as it is and plan to get my FFL with a class 3 license to deal I also have a permit to carry a concealed firearm which I do almost daily. I don't need to rely on anyone if someone or something comes at me, I'll be prepared. I do believe better regulation needs to be put in place but banning weapons is foolish. If people want them, they get them. If ever laws were passed to strip the populace of their right to own guns, I'd be up there with all my buddies rifles and pistols in hand ready to fight and die for my rights.

I trust my 454 and 1911 alot more than I trust my government.
O god you're a very bad man. destroy those firearms now. What if someone wanted to start a communist regime and take over the country? we can't have you pro freedom gun owners fighting back! Its just not right
I'd thought we'd go more than a page before someone envoked Poe's Law. A shame, really.
In English please
Very well.

Because this is the internet, I cannot tell if you are a parody of the idea behind the right of gun ownership, or someone who is actually using hyperbole in a debate like this.
 

Woodsey

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The big problem that will inevitably come up is the difference between America and most of Europe.

To me, "I need a gun to protect my home," is fucking nonsense. I'm sure to plenty of Americans its not too much of an exaggeration, although it is your own faults to begin with.
 

NickCaligo42

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I've got a firearm ownership license, myself, and your poll options are... lacking, both in appeal and in seemingly any sort of knowledge of firearm ownership in the United States.

Small pistols are worse and often more restricted than rifles and shotguns... the reason being that the smaller the weapon, the more concealable it is. Concealed carry licenses are therefore difficult to get in the few states and cities that actually allow them, generally restricted to the police. Everybody else who carries a pistol, they've got to carry it in a case, and must keep it in the trunk of a vehicle. Well, that or they could have a holster right out in the open, inviting suspicion, fear, and sour looks.

Rifles, though, require fewer restrictions for two reasons. First, there's a lot of hunting that goes on. It makes sense to allow families and the like who live in places like Alaska, Minnesota, and other middle-of-nowhere states to be able to have the means to do it. In some communities this isn't a pastime, it's almost an outright need as citizens are so far from any legitimate farmland, let alone a decent and reliable source of livestock, that... yeah, you eat deer, rabbits, and whatever else you can shoot for a meal. Second, you can't hide a rifle and most hunting firearms make hugely impractical combat and murder weapons. Rifles and rifle ammunition can thus be purchased by individuals of a considerably younger age than pistols--as young as 13 to 16 in some places.

Granted, a lot of gun stores do sell weapons like the PS-90; IE, a semi-automatic configuration of the P-90... which is disabled from automatic fire, autofire being strictly illegal to have if you're a civilian. When these weapons are sold, they're semi-automatic at the very best, effectively reduced to glorified decorations and novelty weapons compared with a decent revolver or semi-automatic pistol. They're harder to aim, harder to clean, bulkier, and the ammo is expensive and difficult to make yourself, as many gun enthusiasts do.

Their main appeal is with hicks who like the idea of military hardware so much that they'll splurge on a hilariously impractical and overpriced replica... though sometimes they've been known to have them illegally modified to be automatic for kicks. Nothing stops criminals from doing that secretly, you understand, no matter how the weapons are licensed or sold. Or from obtaining fully automatic versions of these weapons or more dangerous ones on the black market, but that brings me to another point...

Ulquiorra4sama said:
OT: I don't think anyone outside law-enforcement should be allowed to carry arms unless they've got a certificate of some kind that says they're fully capable of handling a gun.
That's how it usually is--hence the firearm ownership card... which does absolutely nothing to prevent crime.

Note that we're trying to prevent guns from being in the hands of CRIMINALS, and criminals don't care that they're breaking a law by illegally owning a gun. Plus, a person with no criminal record can seem like a straight-up guy one minute, then the next be on a school rampage. All the restriction of firearm ownership does in terms of crime prevention is prevent repeat criminals from using legitimate channels to purchase weapons to do more crime.

Still. There's always a way to get a gun, and the mere fact that it's illegal for a felon to own one isn't going to prevent a felon from seeking it out. That's why they're felons in the first place. Not saying we shouldn't have the restrictions, I believe that we should--just that in terms of prevention of shootings that it doesn't do anything.

What it does do is keep guns out of the hands of kids. That's a good thing.
 

genericusername64

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NickCaligo42 said:
extremely long quote that goes into the specifics of guns and how smaller guns may be more dangerous than larger guns
I'm not an NRA member and most of the things I do know about guns come from videogames, so I'm not the most knowledgeable about them, I do understand that rifles and shotguns are more or less used everyday, and usually to hunt animals. The poll can't be edited no matter how many times I try.
Edit: BTW Perfect O Ryan and Progun Liberty are trollin'
 

TheYellowCellPhone

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I'm a huge Second Amendment supporter, so go firearms. Woo.

And I will flip my shit if gun debates start taking over the Escapist AGAIN.