Poll: What's your religion?

[gamebrain89]

Ok, that I can't leave alone, What the hell are you talking about? The polygamy and Black people thing would be the mormons, not Jehovah's witnesses smart one.

as for the rest, yes we visit people uninvited, and yes, we ask them to look at the bible with us, but its not "our" scriptures, we share scriptures from the persons own personal bibles if they so wish. and as i said, we aren't there to convert anyone.

As for your last statement, from a certain point of view you could say that, since according to the bible we were created in Gods image, though I don't know where you got the whole "coeternal" thing.

I do see where you are coming from though, and I understand why alot of people don't like us.

And sorry if I seemed a little nasty about things, that not what I intended, just trying to make things clearer.

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

Ok, that I can't leave alone, What the hell are you talking about? The polygamy and Black people thing would be the mormons, not Jehovah's witnesses smart one.

Oh. Well then I take back my vitriol.
Mormons man...they come to my house a lot.

Fucking mormons.

EDIT: I am aware how big of an ass I was, and I apologize. Just...man. I'll be eating corn and they're fucking THERE! Like really persistent ninjas.

though I don't know where you got the whole "coeternal" thing.

Part o' mormon scripture.

 

[AntiAntagonist]

Yes, I see where you are coming from and agree. But there's the difference between praying to Buddhas and concentrating on them. I might concentrate on the aspects I admire in an individual Buddha, but I would not consider them a God of any sort or someone I should 'pray' to for guidance and help. But I can concentrate and meditate on them in order to embody the aspects of them I admire, yes. When it becomes prayer and worship, it becomes corrupted I suppose.

Yeah that's pretty much the stance I have. I vaguely remember looking up a name for my position, but memory isn't my strong suit (especially with languages I haven't learned, like Hindi).

 

[MercenaryCanary]

Atheist and proud of it!Also you can be Agnostic/Athiest and Buddhist as I don't think Buddhism has a god so you can practice their beliefs without contradicting your other beliefs.Ain't it great?

 

[Ares Tyr]

Yes, I see where you are coming from and agree. But there's the difference between praying to Buddhas and concentrating on them. I might concentrate on the aspects I admire in an individual Buddha, but I would not consider them a God of any sort or someone I should 'pray' to for guidance and help. But I can concentrate and meditate on them in order to embody the aspects of them I admire, yes. When it becomes prayer and worship, it becomes corrupted I suppose.

Yeah that's pretty much the stance I have. I vaguely remember looking up a name for my position, but memory isn't my strong suit (especially with languages I haven't learned, like Hindi).

I believe the two of us fall somewhere along the lines of Theravada and Zen.

 

[pieeater911]

Oooh i like this thread XD. Im a Transhumanist. Basically: Sod your 'souls' and your spirits, the flesh is weak and should be replaced by metal, wires and microchips. Theres more to it than that, obviously. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism Have the wikipedia, LIES OF THE INTERNET...but accurate lies

This is quite interesting.

 

[lijenstina]

Metal music.

 

[Ares Tyr]

Oooh i like this thread XD. Im a Transhumanist. Basically: Sod your 'souls' and your spirits, the flesh is weak and should be replaced by metal, wires and microchips. Theres more to it than that, obviously. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism Have the wikipedia, LIES OF THE INTERNET...but accurate lies

This is quite interesting.

Ah shit... I've found my enemy. I'm a staunch ANTI-TRANSHUMANIST!

This is how the Matrix and Terminator started out... People cybernetically enhancing themselves will create the greatest gap between rich and poor in human history. We cannot allow the amount of money we have replace excercise and atheletic achievements!

 

[Jumplion]

I'm jewish, I guess?

MAZELTOV! SHALOM! ATA POTS! KUS EMOK HA EMA SHEL LAHEM!

I'm really considering making my avatar a stickman wearing a yamoka, only all funky like and AwEsOmE.

 

[Razzle Bathbone]

Oooh i like this thread XD. Im a Transhumanist. Basically: Sod your 'souls' and your spirits, the flesh is weak and should be replaced by metal, wires and microchips. Theres more to it than that, obviously. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism Have the wikipedia, LIES OF THE INTERNET...but accurate lies

This is quite interesting.

Ah shit... I've found my enemy. I'm a staunch ANTI-TRANSHUMANIST!

This is how the Matrix and Terminator started out... People cybernetically enhancing themselves will create the greatest gap between rich and poor in human history. We cannot allow the amount of money we have replace excercise and atheletic achievements!

It depends on exactly what kind of enhancements we're talking about. If we have general-purpose assemblers, then everybody who has one can give free copies to all their friends. Before you know it, material objects have the same status as virtual objects. Naturally, there will be some who try to impose DRM on physical objects, but they'll fail in the physical realm as surely as they have failed in the virtual realm.

Once that genie is out of the bottle, everyone can build all the physical items they want out of whatever atoms happen to be nearby. If what you want is to get rid of the distinction between rich and poor, nanotech is an awfully effective approach. Currency, personal property, social class... these things all effectively disappear.

Now add in the potential biological applications for nanotech, where every citizen can sculpt their body one molecule at a time. How many arms would you like to have today? How many hearts? How many sets of genitals, which kind, and so on.

When that comes in, race, gender, sexual orientation, age and disability all disappear. We won't have much left to fight over.

Except, of course, for religion.

 

[Jaythulhu]

I had trouble describing my religious beliefe on the lastest Australian survey, so I came up with a new term: Apathnostic. I really don't care about what may be out there, and a combination of apathy and agnostia came into focus. Sure, there is likely a god or gods out there. I just don't care about them, the same as they don't care about me.

 

[Ares Tyr]

Oooh i like this thread XD. Im a Transhumanist. Basically: Sod your 'souls' and your spirits, the flesh is weak and should be replaced by metal, wires and microchips. Theres more to it than that, obviously. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism Have the wikipedia, LIES OF THE INTERNET...but accurate lies

This is quite interesting.

Ah shit... I've found my enemy. I'm a staunch ANTI-TRANSHUMANIST!

This is how the Matrix and Terminator started out... People cybernetically enhancing themselves will create the greatest gap between rich and poor in human history. We cannot allow the amount of money we have replace excercise and atheletic achievements!

It depends on exactly what kind of enhancements we're talking about. If we have general-purpose assemblers, then everybody who has one can give free copies to all their friends. Before you know it, material objects have the same status as virtual objects. Naturally, there will be some who try to impose DRM on physical objects, but they'll fail in the physical realm as surely as they have failed in the virtual realm.

Once that genie is out of the bottle, everyone can build all the physical items they want out of whatever atoms happen to be nearby. If what you want is to get rid of the distinction between rich and poor, nanotech is an awfully effective approach. Currency, personal property, social class... these things all effectively disappear.

Now add in the potential biological applications for nanotech, where every citizen can sculpt their body one molecule at a time. How many arms would you like to have today? How many hearts? How many sets of genitals, which kind, and so on.

When that comes in, race, gender, sexual orientation, age and disability all disappear. We won't have much left to fight over.

Except, of course, for religion.

My biggest fear with transhumanism is that humans will lose their humanity, and atheletic achievement and physical talent will become something you can just buy. The Olympics will become null and void, any person who's ever worked hard to attain a world record will have their life's work shat upon, and the human race will lose the concept and value of hard work for a goal. I find it, being a person who's studied, sweat, and bled to become a martial artist. I've worked my body and my mind to attain this goal of mine. And when you can simply download knowledge of martial arts into your artificially super-strong muscles' memory, the concept of "achievement" is lost for physical activities, and so are the spiritual aspects of all martial arts and atheletic activities.

I don't want that to happen. I don't want to see humans evolve themselves with technology. I might sound counter-productive to society with this statement, but its just a gut feeling of mine.

 

[ceeqanguel]

Atheist. why bother with something that has always been damn wrong, every simgle damn time, about every single damn thing, from science to the supernatural, from sociatal advances to tradition keeping, from child rearing to the treatment of females, children, and pretty much every one different, from what your body has to force itself to do or not what's a sin to eat (hmmm, flagelling yourself with sweet, sweet bacon...) , from the open hatred AND MUTILATION of homosexuals, foreskin the female genitalia WHILE raping little boys, and for all the fallacies and ignorance that was forced upon us by the clergy ehile they live in castles...or two.
wanna prove me wrong^ , then let's open the newspaper together...

 

[Alex_P]

My biggest fear with transhumanism is that humans will lose their humanity, and atheletic achievement and physical talent will become something you can just buy. The Olympics will become null and void, any person who's ever worked hard to attain a world record will have their life's work shat upon, and the human race will lose the concept and value of hard work for a goal. I find it, being a person who's studied, sweat, and bled to become a martial artist. I've worked my body and my mind to attain this goal of mine. And when you can simply download knowledge of martial arts into your artificially super-strong muscles' memory, the concept of "achievement" is lost for physical activities, and so are the spiritual aspects of all martial arts and atheletic activities.

I don't want that to happen. I don't want to see humans evolve themselves with technology. I might sound counter-productive to society with this statement, but its just a gut feeling of mine.

That's your biggest worry? Some Olympic records and a vague sense of personal achievement? What about, like, humans consciousness being completely transformed into an unrecognizable, alien form, or the whole planet turning into a sea of computronium gray-goo or something?

-- Alex

 

[Aries_Split]

My biggest fear with transhumanism is that humans will lose their humanity, and atheletic achievement and physical talent will become something you can just buy. The Olympics will become null and void, any person who's ever worked hard to attain a world record will have their life's work shat upon, and the human race will lose the concept and value of hard work for a goal. I find it, being a person who's studied, sweat, and bled to become a martial artist. I've worked my body and my mind to attain this goal of mine. And when you can simply download knowledge of martial arts into your artificially super-strong muscles' memory, the concept of "achievement" is lost for physical activities, and so are the spiritual aspects of all martial arts and atheletic activities.

I don't want that to happen. I don't want to see humans evolve themselves with technology. I might sound counter-productive to society with this statement, but its just a gut feeling of mine.

That's your biggest worry? Some Olympic records and a vague sense of personal achievement? What about, like, humans consciousness being completely transformed into an unrecognizable, alien form, or the whole planet turning into a sea of computronium gray-goo or something?

-- Alex

I think that falls under the category of "losing humanity."

 

[Ares Tyr]

My biggest fear with transhumanism is that humans will lose their humanity, and atheletic achievement and physical talent will become something you can just buy. The Olympics will become null and void, any person who's ever worked hard to attain a world record will have their life's work shat upon, and the human race will lose the concept and value of hard work for a goal. I find it, being a person who's studied, sweat, and bled to become a martial artist. I've worked my body and my mind to attain this goal of mine. And when you can simply download knowledge of martial arts into your artificially super-strong muscles' memory, the concept of "achievement" is lost for physical activities, and so are the spiritual aspects of all martial arts and atheletic activities.

I don't want that to happen. I don't want to see humans evolve themselves with technology. I might sound counter-productive to society with this statement, but its just a gut feeling of mine.

That's your biggest worry? Some Olympic records and a vague sense of personal achievement? What about, like, humans consciousness being completely transformed into an unrecognizable, alien form, or the whole planet turning into a sea of computronium gray-goo or something?

-- Alex

I'm looking at the immediate consequences. Things just get worse and worse the further you go.

 

[Razzle Bathbone]

My biggest fear with transhumanism is that humans will lose their humanity, and atheletic achievement and physical talent will become something you can just buy. The Olympics will become null and void, any person who's ever worked hard to attain a world record will have their life's work shat upon, and the human race will lose the concept and value of hard work for a goal. I find it, being a person who's studied, sweat, and bled to become a martial artist. I've worked my body and my mind to attain this goal of mine. And when you can simply download knowledge of martial arts into your artificially super-strong muscles' memory, the concept of "achievement" is lost for physical activities, and so are the spiritual aspects of all martial arts and atheletic activities.

I don't want that to happen. I don't want to see humans evolve themselves with technology. I might sound counter-productive to society with this statement, but its just a gut feeling of mine.

Don't be afraid. Even if we could all attain your mastery, it would still remain for each of us to choose how best to use it. And that would require a different kind of mastery. A new challenge for us all.

 

[Razzle Bathbone]

To be an extremist/fundamentalist in your incorrect beliefs is no different than being a moderate in your incorrect beliefs, both are equally incorrect. On the other hand, being an extremist/fundamentalist in your correct beliefs cannot possibly make you wrong. Besides, if you're right, what kind of sense does it make to doubt you're right?

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity"
-Yeats

If your belief system is perfect, then you cannot possibly be wrong in imposing it upon others. You can kill, rape, torture, terrorize... it's all to the good, after all, because your beliefs are correct. For example, if your victims are condemned to eternal torture in the afterlife, then any pain you might inflict upon them pales in comparison to what awaits them after death. If you force them to convert to your correct belief, they will be saved.

This is where extremism leads. Why should you doubt yourself? Becase there is always the possibility that you could be wrong. If you refuse to accept that you might be wrong, then there is no horror you cannot inflict upon the world. Doubt is your mind's immune system. Cultivate it, and keep it strong.

You're making it sound like everyone who doesn't rape and pillage for their religeon, doubts it. A large part of my religeon is based on free choice. The basis for it is that everyone should be allowed to make mistakes as long as they realize that it was a mistake and try to change it. We absolutely cannot force anyone to do something against their will. Thats where the Spanish Inquisition screwed up. it was completely backwards from everything taught in the bible.

I'm sorry I gave that impression. That isn't what I meant.
Religion does not lead to these things. What does lead to these things is a refusal to accept the possibility that you might be wrong. Refusal to entertain doubt. My argument was not against belief, it was against extremist belief.

 

[Lord Krunk]

I'm a Deist.

Basically, I believe that some kind of omnipotent force exists, but it doesn't interfere because it doesn't care.

It's half way between agnostic and Atheist.

 

[The Iron Ninja]

I feel bad for rubbing this in your faces, but I'm an atheist and therefore like other athiests I have gained access to this cake.

[http://imageshack.us]

Cake is also open to people of all other religions, as long as you accept evolution and the theory of natural selection (the latter one doesn't directly correlate to the cake, but I'm feeling picky). Atheists, Theists, Everyone! Come have a slice!

But no Scientologists, no cake for you.