I'd like to know what game you played. So far this game's just felt like a colossal waste of time and makes me pine for the first game, and I hated the first game.Joshica Huracane said:
Poll: Where did Traditional Western Fantasy RPGs reach their creative zenith?
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Planescape: Torment wins. Possibly the best game I've ever played.
I dare say BioWare doesn't really specialise in original plots or settings -- charaterisation is their thing. Black Isle's Torment, on the other hand, had both interesting characters and an original, compelling story. It's based on a licence, sure, but that licence was used to its full potential. The rest of the titles are mostly well executed, but I find them rather generic.
I dare say BioWare doesn't really specialise in original plots or settings -- charaterisation is their thing. Black Isle's Torment, on the other hand, had both interesting characters and an original, compelling story. It's based on a licence, sure, but that licence was used to its full potential. The rest of the titles are mostly well executed, but I find them rather generic.
I really can't decide there's good things about all of those games. About as much as I can say is that I think Neverwinter Nights and DA2 are the weaker ones in my opinion. I love Baldur's Gate and 2 and Icewind Dale they are some of my very favourite games. ME2 is a 5/5 game for me and shouldn't be paired with the 3/5 that is DA2. I even own a Joker SR2 hat. because I'm a rampant fangirl
Fallout is just epic becuase it has an awesome lore and artstyle which is completely unlike anything else (unless it's beign copied)
Fallout is just epic becuase it has an awesome lore and artstyle which is completely unlike anything else (unless it's beign copied)
i'm pretty much on this one too, BGs and Torment, IWDs and MEs, but the first and second Fallouts too, i just can't make up my mind. Maybe from an orthodox RPG point of view i'd say a tie between BG, Torment and Fallout each for their own reasons, as the newer games fall much more in the action category and not so much in RPG department.xXxJessicaxXx said:
Hell yeah it was/is. The factions were more interesting too. And the quests. And the story in general.Susurrus said:
Couldn't really be done in Oblivion however because it would require about 7 gigs of data files for voice acting alone.
We haven't gotten there yet. I love the new direction that RPGs are taking, and I realize that I'm part of a minority, but I'm excited to see what's next on the upcoming titles list for all the major companies.
I voted DA:O/Mass Effect, but let me be clear that I think DA:O was a great story wrapped in some of the worst gameplay I have ever seen in a video game. Mass Effect, however, was an instant classic, and my choice for best RPG ever made.
TBH I love some of the older games too much to say Dragon Age or Mass Effect, they're good games but they are in no way the pinnacle of Western RPGs. That's my opinion, feel free to disagree. They lack the level of customization and the gigantic world feel that a lot of the other ones do.
I gotta say Neverwinter Nights, the other games are good, as I've played just about all of them, but Neverwinter Nights is and likely will be my favorite game of all time.
I gotta say Neverwinter Nights, the other games are good, as I've played just about all of them, but Neverwinter Nights is and likely will be my favorite game of all time.
"Creative zenith" is kind of vague (and it sounds like an MP3 player). BioWare didn't create the Forgotten Realms setting or AD&D, and Black Isle didn't create Planescape. In terms of the creativity involved, that would shift the bias towards their newer titles.
If you mean their "zenith" in terms of quality alone, that's still too early to say. They would all have to be defunct for this discussion to work.
[small]Anyway: Out of all of those, BG2 is my favorite. Torment is close, but the combat system is just too bad, and the game is basically unfinished. And they removed the Lustmord soundtrack.
DA2 is their most interesting work in terms of story/narrative, but it's pulled down somewhat by poor design discipline and repetition. For this reason DA:O is a better game, but I like DA2 more because they're actually trying to do something interesting with the plot.[/small]
If you mean their "zenith" in terms of quality alone, that's still too early to say. They would all have to be defunct for this discussion to work.
[small]Anyway: Out of all of those, BG2 is my favorite. Torment is close, but the combat system is just too bad, and the game is basically unfinished. And they removed the Lustmord soundtrack.
DA2 is their most interesting work in terms of story/narrative, but it's pulled down somewhat by poor design discipline and repetition. For this reason DA:O is a better game, but I like DA2 more because they're actually trying to do something interesting with the plot.[/small]
Jade Empire is awesome. The combat system could use an overhaul, but the same could be said for every BioWare title. It's even out on the PC. Go ahead, play it.Susurrus said:
Hmm.. Creative zenith is vague, I guess. I suppose I mean: which was your favorite game/era, in terms of things done with the RPG genre...
I've only seen positive comments about Jade Empire here, so perhaps I was wrong.
The combat system in BG2 was way complicated, being based on DnD, but I still love it.. apart from anything else, spell variety was insane. And for those who think spell animations in Dragon Age 2 were cool, all I have to say to you in Planescape Torment level 9 spells. Youtube them.
I had to lump DA:O and ME1, and DA2 and ME2 together, because otherwise I would be reduced to grouping even more of the old stuff together (lumping bg 1 and 2 and tob all in one group was hard enough).
I've only seen positive comments about Jade Empire here, so perhaps I was wrong.
The combat system in BG2 was way complicated, being based on DnD, but I still love it.. apart from anything else, spell variety was insane. And for those who think spell animations in Dragon Age 2 were cool, all I have to say to you in Planescape Torment level 9 spells. Youtube them.
I had to lump DA:O and ME1, and DA2 and ME2 together, because otherwise I would be reduced to grouping even more of the old stuff together (lumping bg 1 and 2 and tob all in one group was hard enough).
I must say PS:T. I simply love this game, and I may be biased by nostalgia, but I think Torment did something that no game had managed to do before, and no game has managed to do since. It was a litterary masterpiece eoth interesting characters, deep philosophies and the most amazing dialogue I have ever seen in a video game. And since modern games are more action-paced and cinematic than the IE games, I don't think we'll se a game like Torment for years to come.
However, I would like to add that I loved both dragon age and ME1+2, and I think Bioware is still going strong, even though the partnership with EA concerns me. I have just purchased DA2 and I realle look forward to play it. Only problem is that me and my girlfriend both want to play it, but don't want to get spoiled by watching the other play, so we'll have to find a solution to that
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However, I would like to add that I loved both dragon age and ME1+2, and I think Bioware is still going strong, even though the partnership with EA concerns me. I have just purchased DA2 and I realle look forward to play it. Only problem is that me and my girlfriend both want to play it, but don't want to get spoiled by watching the other play, so we'll have to find a solution to that
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None of them, all of those have been creatively bankrupt for years.
It's just the same old shit repackage over and over again.
Their zenith was just a matter of polishing to such a glare that you couldn't see the shit anymore but it's still in all of thoise games.
I'm not saying they're not good games but their nothing new.
They lack inovation because the people who made them are slapped on the fingers everytime they made something new and interesting (jade empire)that didn't follow the hallowed isometric view and D&D D20 brand of roll dice to hit.
It's just the same old shit repackage over and over again.
Their zenith was just a matter of polishing to such a glare that you couldn't see the shit anymore but it's still in all of thoise games.
I'm not saying they're not good games but their nothing new.
They lack inovation because the people who made them are slapped on the fingers everytime they made something new and interesting (jade empire)that didn't follow the hallowed isometric view and D&D D20 brand of roll dice to hit.
well im quite certain alot of people voting for the more recent games havent even played the older games, but looking at the results i apparently missed a great game in planetscape: torment, so im going to look into that, see if i cant find a copy.
oh, and throne of bhaal FTW.
oh, and throne of bhaal FTW.
