All generations had their good and bad ideas and... as long as I still enjoy playing the games I don't much care about the rest.
Yep, everybody loves bacon.MorsePacific said:To be honest, I like some of the fifth generation Pokemon more than most of the first generation. Have you seen how cute Tepig is?
So what about Pidgey(=pigeon)?Ursus Buckler said:The fact that Shellder and Grimer and Seel are still recognisably Pokemon is what puts them above Pidove. I'm not saying that any of them are Pokemon that I particularly like, but at least they're original. If you live in any urban area, you'll see a Pidove every day. The fact that they HAD to resort to using a pigeon of all things just proves how they've run out of ideas.werewolfsfury said:ya know this kind of thing bothers me. pidove is a pigeon because it's BASED on a pigeon what do you expect for it to look like? not at all what it's based off of? and what about older pokemon like seel? it's just a seal with a horn and improper spelling, shellder is just a shell with eyes and a tongue and grimer is a lump of slime I just don't get this type of thinking
Well, arguably the ones in Black and White aren't legitimate. It was my understanding the actual pokemon were designed by the American studio for some reason, as opposed to the Japanese studio that designed previous pokemon.Scrustle said:Well they are all "legitimate", they're all made by Nintendo, but I can only reliably recognise up to generation 3. I know some of 4 (I have Pearl), but I don't know them anywhere near as well as I know the ones before. That isn't directly because they are running out of ideas, it's just I am less interested in them because they are running out of ideas. The designs themselves aren't forgettable, they just suck. So I'm not interested in memorising them, or playing the games long enough that it happens without me trying.
Have you ever seen a pigeon?Mau95 said:So what about Pidgey(=pigeon)?
Pidgey is just a brown bird. Nothing original or creative about it. Ratatta is a rat, nothing original or creative about it. Persian is a cat, nothing original about it. Voltorb is just a ball, nothing original about it. Mr. Mime is just a mime, nothing creative or original about it. You see where I'm going with this? Pokemon have always had bland unoriginal designs. To pick on Pidove while praising previous gens is silly because they all have their uncreative duds. I also find it odd that people complain about bland designs, but also complain about the more offbeat designs. What do people want? They complain about stuff being too simple compared to the originals (which is completely wrong) and then complain about them being too far out there compared to the originals (which had an unchanged mime and a dancing black woman with blonde hair). The reason people favor the old gens over the new is because they grew up with them, and associate them with the fun and excitement they had discovering them as a kid. It's pure nostalgia.Ursus Buckler said:Have you ever seen a pigeon?Mau95 said:So what about Pidgey(=pigeon)?
http://www.mjbpestcontrol.co.uk/userfiles/pigeon-proofing.jpg
K, now that you've seen a pigeon, let's compare.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/55/016Pidgey.png
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/c3/519Pidove.png
Out of the two, Pidgey actually bares the least resemblance to a pigeon. In fact, there's actually been a bit of work done to the design. Pidove is pretty much when I totally lost faith in Pokemon as a franchise, aside from the Garbage Pokemon and the Ice Cream Pokemon. Not only is it a pigeon (or a rat with wings) but it is JUST a pigeon. They're just pathetic. I have no idea why my opinion is causing so much uproar.
Ah but that is just you. The problem here isn't the Pokemon, it's you. You paid more attention to the first generation and know every detail of them.Ursus Buckler said:The fact that Shellder and Grimer and Seel are still recognisably Pokemon is what puts them above Pidove. I'm not saying that any of them are Pokemon that I particularly like, but at least they're original. If you live in any urban area, you'll see a Pidove every day. The fact that they HAD to resort to using a pigeon of all things just proves how they've run out of ideas.werewolfsfury said:ya know this kind of thing bothers me. pidove is a pigeon because it's BASED on a pigeon what do you expect for it to look like? not at all what it's based off of? and what about older pokemon like seel? it's just a seal with a horn and improper spelling, shellder is just a shell with eyes and a tongue and grimer is a lump of slime I just don't get this type of thinking
False.binnsyboy said:Well, arguably the ones in Black and White aren't legitimate. It was my understanding the actual pokemon were designed by the American studio for some reason, as opposed to the Japanese studio that designed previous pokemon.Scrustle said:Well they are all "legitimate", they're all made by Nintendo, but I can only reliably recognise up to generation 3. I know some of 4 (I have Pearl), but I don't know them anywhere near as well as I know the ones before. That isn't directly because they are running out of ideas, it's just I am less interested in them because they are running out of ideas. The designs themselves aren't forgettable, they just suck. So I'm not interested in memorising them, or playing the games long enough that it happens without me trying.
Anyway, probably the first three generations for me. And it might just be me, but in games that have a mixture of generations, do Johto pokemon seem to be the rarer ones?