Poll: Which is the most significant gaming device?

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NES brought games back to life
Playstation introduced the CD format, and was a major competitor for Nintendo (fun fact: originally worked with Nintendo on a CD reader for the S/NES, but when Nintendo stopped the project, Sony made the console anyway)
Then Gameboy, as handhelds introduced even more to gaming
Then XBox for Halo. Because of Halo, consoles finally had a FPS to be proud of, and made huge leaps for the genre
Then Wii. Motion controls are a big deal, but arcades had much older motion controlled punching games/fishing games. Not exactly new tech, it just brought it into the home.
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irequirefood said:
I think it is the Playstation. It brought memory cards
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Don't remember when the Dreamcast was made, but there where special memory cards for it that could be programmed to show things on it's screen (say, health or inventory in a RE game), and could even play special games (maybe raise a Cho (I think) from a Sonic game) on the go. That might predate handheld games.
Forgot about the good ol' dualshock. That was a huge leap for consoles.
 

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Of that list, the NES... it really continued popularization where Atari left off.

For an "other" option, the personal computer. Hear me out, now, I'm not just fanboying. Major leaps forward in hardware have generally been due to PC makers competing for who can make the highest-end server system (including the current-gen consoles, which use derivatives of IBM server hardware). Every game you play on a console was also designed on high-end editing PCs (mostly macs) loaded with design software that retails in the thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars. Basically, the entire video game industry as we know it today grew out of the computer industry...
 

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varulfic said:
I'm gonna go with the NES, since it revitalized the gaming industry after the video game crash of 83 and brought gaming closer to the mainstream. Who knows what gaming would look like today without it? I don't.
Aye, this man be talking sense.
 

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Conor Wainer said:
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pc. without it. none of these would exist. very poor choice in poll options
I think this is the best example of a few peoples comments on this. If you read my further information, this is only for 'gaming devices', a PC is in part a gaming device, so were the Atari series, Apple II, Commodore 64, the list goes on, but their primary function encompasses more than that, so I couldn't include any of these, despite the fact some were quite well known for being associated with gaming.

So this is why PC isn't a valid option. I own a gaming PC, I built it, and I built it solely with games in mind, does it do anything else? Yes, it does. Some have also mentioned, that the the 'pure' game device is rarer these days, as everything is blending into one, phones are gaming devices, gaming devices are internet browsers, soon phone will be an add-on to something with another primary task, possibly (eg. iPads ect). But I still retain that something built, with the primarily objective of gaming in mind, will remain for some time, and therefore I stand by my poll choices.
Actually I was going to vote on the Atari as the Atari 2600 was solely for gaming and was pretty big. It kind of geared the culture in the west to be prime for the NES. Of the options I voted NES and will stand by that vote because the NES for a long time actually made people to refer to "video games" as "Nintendo". It would be like referring to all shoes as "Nikes". No other console has ever done that. Nintendo made itself the icon of video gaming from that system alone.
 

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I would say Playstation only for the sole fact that it was the first system to successfully use discs as software.
 

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irequirefood said:
I think it is the Playstation. It brought memory cards, popularised the use of CD's for games, allowing for masses of content, brought us a stellar library of games, in my opinion topped only by the PS2, and brought in the dual analog sticks we see used today. I don't really feel the other even come close, except for the NES, because it saved video games and really brought them into people's homes.

But anyways, that's what I think without doing any research, just off the top of my head. Please correct me if I'm wrong at all.

Also, feels good to post again.

Contrary to popular belief, the Psone wasn't the first console to have memory cards, that honour goes to the Neo-geo AES which was released in 1990 (a full five years before the Playstation).

Popularised the use of disc for games?, Hardly. Their was the 3DO, Sega CD (Mega CD), Jaguar CD, Saturn, and the Amiga CD-32 that came out way before, and that's not even counting the hugely popular 1993 PC game Myst. It was that game which pioneered the use of cd's in games, and not the Playstation.

On topic, i think the Dreamcast, for the only reason that it gave us something us console owners now take for granted, and that is online play (though in a much different guise as it is today, and it was a much less convenient).

It was also way ahead of its time. Its hard to believe that Sonic Adventure with its bright colourful clean graphics came out in 1998, when something like metal gear solid came out on the psone on the exact same year. That just boggles the mind.
 

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Probably the Xbox, considering it pioneered online gaming on consoles (as far as I know). And considering this is the basis for the best selling franchise ever... Yeah, most significant IMO.
 

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random_bars said:
Probably the Xbox, considering it pioneered online gaming on consoles (as far as I know). And considering this is the basis for the best selling franchise ever... Yeah, most significant IMO.
The PS2 and Dreamcast actually pioneered that... the XBox popularized it.
 

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Jazoni89 said:
irequirefood said:
I think it is the Playstation. It brought memory cards, popularised the use of CD's for games...
Popularised the use of disc for games?, Hardly. Their was the 3DO, Sega CD (Mega CD), Jaguar CD, Saturn, and the Amiga CD-32 that came out way before, and that's not even counting the hugely popular 1993 PC game Myst. It was that game which pioneered the use of cd's in games, and not the PlayStation.

On topic, i think the Dreamcast, for the only reason that it gave us something us console owners now take for granted, and that is online play (though in a much different guise as it is today, and it was a much less convenient).

It was also way ahead of its time. Its hard to believe that Sonic Adventure with its bright colourful clean graphics came out in 1998, when something like metal gear solid came out on the psone on the exact same year. That just boggles the mind.
Depending on how you read that, one of us has misunderstood the comment, if he means console games, not games in general, then I believe he's correct. Can you name one console that was released post the PlayStation that used cartridges? Are there any? PlayStation introduced laser discs as a 'standard', for consoles (so how I read it, the Myst comment helped popularise the CD-ROM for gaming, in general, but not for consoles). I think the earlier consoles you referred to helped kick off the idea, it certainly wasn't original to the PlayStation, but the PlayStation?s success can be clearly correlated to the death of cartridge consoles, and the era of laser disc consoles.

Interesting how you think of Dreamcast, I was tempted to list it, but ultimately, despite its internet gaming pioneering, as a failed console, meant I couldn't add it, its largest significance I think would be it was the departure of Sega from consoles.

Savagezion said:
Actually I was going to vote on the Atari as the Atari 2600 was solely for gaming and was pretty big.
In hindsight, I think if I were to re-do this, I'd remove Game Boy, and make this a purely 'console' based discussion, I'd add the Mega Drive (properly) and another Sega System either Dreamcast or Saturn, the PS2 and the Atari 2600, as that is a valid point, I didn't do enough research into the Atari systems, which although started as computers, turned into consoles, beginning with the 2600.

However, despite this poll not being perfectly designed, at the moment, we can conclude that the NES is thought to be the most significant, followed by the PlayStation, with the others trailing quite a bit behind.
 

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random_bars said:
Probably the Xbox, considering it pioneered online gaming on consoles (as far as I know). And considering this is the basis for the best selling franchise ever... Yeah, most significant IMO.
I'm curious as to what you think is the best-selling franchise ever. Wikipedia's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises] list doesn't contain any online-based franchises until the 16th entry.
 

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You need to divide it into more than just "playstation, xbox, NES etc". Why are half the Nintendo consoles in their own category while the Sony and Microsoft ones are divided? The 360 was "significantly" more popular than the original, but they're lumped together? And why are the Wii and NES divided, but no the N64? There is literally no sense to your organization.

Hypothetically however, if we were talking about individual gaming CONSOLE (which you could have mentioned in the title) then it would be the PS2 hands down. It's sold the most units by a wide margin and is still in use today. The only two that might come close are the NES and the Gameboy color.
 

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The Dreamcast.

It was realms ahead of any console at the time.

Thanks varulfic.

As for you other three, I hope you're all writing posts to this thread, seeing as you voted.

EDIT: Nine people now, nine, voted without posting, thanks guys, this is great discussion happening right here.
Deal with it.
I came in here with the intent of referencing the Dreamcast, mainly because of its internet capabilities. It was the first console to include a built-in modem and Internet support for online play.
 

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The NES.

Because it singlehandedly brought the industry back from the brink of non-existence.

No other system can compare. Without it, the others wouldn't exist.
 

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Wertbag said:
Surely a "gaming device" is a device which is primarily designed for gaming? PC should not appear on this list as it is certainly not a gaming device. In fact PC's are not a single item, its a catagory. Everything from the old commodores, to the Mac, to the numerous MS Windows devices are PCs, its not really specific to any device.
Hahawut?

A gaming device is a device on which you game. End of discussion.

The PC has contributed an incredible amount to the history of gaming. To ignore one of the industry's oldest and most consistent media is ridiculous.

Still, it has rivals. I'd say the NES has made incredible contributions in bringing the arcade home as well.
 

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Conor Wainer said:
overtone said:
pc. without it. none of these would exist. very poor choice in poll options
I think this is the best example of a few peoples comments on this. If you read my further information, this is only for 'gaming devices', a PC is in part a gaming device, so were the Atari series, Apple II, Commodore 64, the list goes on, but their primary function encompasses more than that, so I couldn't include any of these, despite the fact some were quite well known for being associated with gaming.

So this is why PC isn't a valid option. I own a gaming PC, I built it, and I built it solely with games in mind, does it do anything else? Yes, it does. Some have also mentioned, that the the 'pure' game device is rarer these days, as everything is blending into one, phones are gaming devices, gaming devices are internet browsers, soon phone will be an add-on to something with another primary task, possibly (eg. iPads ect). But I still retain that something built, with the primarily objective of gaming in mind, will remain for some time, and therefore I stand by my poll choices.
PC is a valid opinion, and ill quote the website YOU chose for your source....


Tennis for Two
In 1949?1950, Charley Adama created a "Bouncing Ball" program for MIT's Whirlwind computer.[3] While the program was not yet interactive, it was a precursor to games soon to come.
In February 1951, Christopher Strachey tried to run a draughts program he had written for the NPL Pilot ACE. The program exceeded the memory capacity of the machine and Strachey recoded his program for a machine at Manchester with a larger memory capacity by October.
Also in 1951, while developing television technologies for New York based electronics company Loral, inventor Ralph Baer came up with the idea of using the lights and patterns he used in his work as more than just calibration equipment. He realized that by giving an audience the ability to manipulate what was projected on their television sets, their role changed from passive observing to interactive manipulation. When he took this idea to his supervisor, it was quickly squashed because the company was already behind schedule.[4]
OXO, a graphical version tic-tac-toe, was created by A.S. Douglas in 1952 at the University of Cambridge, in order to demonstrate his thesis on human-computer interaction. It was developed on the EDSAC computer, which uses a cathode ray tube as a visual display to display memory contents. The player competes against the computer.
In 1958 William Higinbotham created a game using an oscilloscope and analog computer.[5] Titled Tennis for Two, it was used to entertain visitors of the Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York.[6] Tennis for Two showed a simplified tennis court from the side, featuring a gravity-controlled ball that needed to be played over the "net," unlike its successor?Pong. The game was played with two box-shaped controllers, both equipped with a knob for trajectory and a button for hitting the ball.[5] Tennis for Two was exhibited for two seasons before its dismantlement in 1959.[7]"

TLDR: the first games were written on computers for computers in 1951. ALL arcade games are computer based.

Consoles didn't even hit the scene until 1972. That's 20 YEARS after gaming's inception and NONE of the above choices hit the market here in the US until 1985. So The choices in your pole only incorporate the last 25 years of gaming. Which, is a good chunk, but none of the real "game changing innovations" Basically all a console consists of is a dumbed down affordable pc with one main purpose. ANY major feat that console gaming has accomplished has been nothing but a copy of what PC gaming had been doing the decade before it.

Not trying to start any flame wars cause I like my consoles for what they do, but, if you really want to get into the history of video gaming... it's all about what PC did first.. (Simpsons did it)
 

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Scratch my post what I had written, somebody else wrote with a much better explanation and more detailed information therefore making this post useless.
It was the Tennis for Two thing that Digitaldreamer7 wrote about 2 posts above this by the way.
BoredDragon said:
Where the hell is the PS2 in this poll? Some of the best games of all time came out during its reign in the console wars.
That may be but it didn't do much to change the industry, since most of it's features the Dreamcast had before it, even if it was unsuccessful, thereby making the Dreamcast more deserving of the title, but that is just my opinion.
 

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Where the hell is the PS2 in this poll? Some of the best games of all time came out during its reign in the console wars.
 

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SeaCalMaster said:
Yes, gaming survived on PCs after the crash. My point is that, if not for the NES, it likely would have stayed there.
I think you underestimate businesses growing into new markets. Sega especially were working on new consoles with the master system and megadrive both released in the years following the NES. Sure they didn't have the success of the NES, but who is to say if the NES didn't exist that the people who brought that wouldn't have brought a competing option?
The point is that the market had already been tested and shown to be profitable by Atari who sold 30 million 2600's 5-6 years before the NES came out. You definately needed the right product and the right marketing, but they already had an idea of what people would pay for and in what numbers. That market data by itself would have inspired numerous companies to have a try.

By the way, the whole "if they hadn't done it, someone else would have" argument comes up a lot, in all kinds of different debates, and it virtually never holds water. If I said that Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin was overrated because someone else would have invented it if he hadn't, would you disregard his invention? How do we know that someone else would have invented the cotton gin, and even if we did, how much longer would it have taken?
There is a big difference between inventing something completely new, and evolving an already existing idea to a new level. Nintendo weren't the first, they grew what Atari had already proven was a profitable market. Sure it might have been a few more years before one of the many competitors got their product out, but they almost certainly would have and the market growth would have been there regardless.
As for pure invention there is a clause in patent law which allows ideas to be challenged on the grounds of common knowledge. One court case I heard of was a challenge to a guy who had patented using an avatar to talk to others over the internet. He claimed he was the first with the idea, and gained a patent to prove it, but once challenged the common knowledge clause showed that the idea was so likely to be raised from numerous quarters that his patent was deemed void.
So the "if they hadn't done it, someone else would have" arguement can be valid but it is certainly something that is case specific.