Poll: Which Prime Minister does the UK prefer?
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See you're both right... but I blame Winston Churchill for the Dresden disaster (so yes, he did cause a lot of unnecessary deaths, albeit German deaths, and on principle I disagree with strategic bombing as a viable method).Blizzarded Soul said:
However, one thing: Winston Churchill ordered the combat engagement of all German planes bearing the Int'l Red Cross, almost without prior justification (there was some evidence, but I can't remember but I do recall that it was ridiculously petty). German ambulance-planes still did their thing (and got shot down for it until about 1943 when someone at OKW told them to stop). No reciprocal order was given.
Get your head around that.
*sigh* sorry, chaps, it's a Friday evening, I'm in lab (supposedly working) and annoyed because H&S are picking over it.
Brown.
I watched an interesting little piece on him, where other MPs said his main problem was becoming too involved with every aspect of Parliament and attempting to micro-manage far beyond what was necessary.
The man was highly intelligent, and people should bear in mind that he was attempting to eliminate the boom-bust cycle of the economy. What's Cameron just done? Announced he's going to try and privatise as much as possible.
I watched an interesting little piece on him, where other MPs said his main problem was becoming too involved with every aspect of Parliament and attempting to micro-manage far beyond what was necessary.
The man was highly intelligent, and people should bear in mind that he was attempting to eliminate the boom-bust cycle of the economy. What's Cameron just done? Announced he's going to try and privatise as much as possible.
Brown, and i didnt vote for him because i think Cameron is a twat. but i think brown did a damn good job considering the position he was in, he got all the blame for things he didnt do.
now a quick rant about cameron- he is a pillock, everything he does is a PR move, its like he hasnt realised he is already in power. when ever he opens he mouth its all just utter crap, his comments come down to either inconsequential comments about how we all must pull together for Britain future, (basically the your with us or against us school yard psychology) or just sabre rattling comments to try and bolster public opinion about him after he realised how many votes he wont be getting next time round.
now a quick rant about cameron- he is a pillock, everything he does is a PR move, its like he hasnt realised he is already in power. when ever he opens he mouth its all just utter crap, his comments come down to either inconsequential comments about how we all must pull together for Britain future, (basically the your with us or against us school yard psychology) or just sabre rattling comments to try and bolster public opinion about him after he realised how many votes he wont be getting next time round.
Brown, easily. He was given the reigns during the worst economic recession in decades, while his predecessor had left him with two wars to fight and jetted off to multi-millionairehood. He had no chance of recovering the economy, and he was never going to survive the election. If he'd resigned about a year before the General Election, Labour might have just got back in. As it was, people didn't want him to even have a chance to cling to power.
Also, Cameron and Cleggy-weggy are just two petty. Infact, democracy is petty banter between parties and individuals, it rare comes down to actually policies anymore.
Also, Cameron and Cleggy-weggy are just two petty. Infact, democracy is petty banter between parties and individuals, it rare comes down to actually policies anymore.
Cameron, obviously. To be fair, I don't really like Cameron that much either, I even preferred Blair to Brown - the guy was a complete failure... (Hell, I'd go as far as to say Brown was the worst PM we've had since Chamberlain, and he was pretty much responsible for all of WW2...)
Of course, the Socialists will tell you differently... don't seem to realize the reason tax is going up and Public services are being cut is because that git Brown was going around spending a fuck-ton of money we didn't have. The PM might have more power than most other executives, but he can't make money appear of fucking nowhere...
There's no real need for a poll here, the British people have already voted on this last year ^^
Of course, the Socialists will tell you differently... don't seem to realize the reason tax is going up and Public services are being cut is because that git Brown was going around spending a fuck-ton of money we didn't have. The PM might have more power than most other executives, but he can't make money appear of fucking nowhere...
There's no real need for a poll here, the British people have already voted on this last year ^^
1. Thanks for the grammar check (think I wrote it right first time round).PureChaos said:
2. Even though it's a coalition, Clegg is not a co-PM, just plain Deputy PM... which is depressing in a sense, as (on a proportional representation basis) he really should be co-PM (First-Past-the-Post sucks major-league balls!). But then, if he was, they wouldn't be able to resolve anything, I don't think... they'd just spend all afternoon going 'hyaw' 'hyaw' 'hyaw' and achieve squat.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how his incompentence led to the Italians in Africa being reinforced by Rommel and extending the destert war a long time, how he threw away thousands of lives in a pointless endevour in the Greek campaign, or how he told the Scots that held Saint-Valery that they weren't allowed to evacuate(despite them being able to do so for several days before the Germans arrived) *two weeks* after the evacuation of Dunkirk. In the end, they were forced to surrender and 10000 troops were taken prisoners; most of them didn't survive.Blizzarded Soul said:
Churchill's reason for not allowing them to evacuate? They were needed to keep France in the war, despite the fact that France already surrendered. He pretty much threw away ten thousand men because of his own personal vanity.
Churchill was a racist, a colonialist and a horrible military leader. Had Hitler not been the same the UK would've have fared as well as they did.
Being a second string party does not entail any such thing. All you can infer from that is the fact that their politics are slightly less mainstream. The Lib Dems have limited political power because of the absolute mess of a democratic system we have. The Lib Dems ARE sellouts; they should have left the Tories to crumble in their minority government. No one will trust the Lib Dems as a viable alternative again.bahumat42 said:
the number of posts with "(leader), because (other party + other party leader) are all twats." is quite incredible
nice reasoned argument there, i'm glad you took the time to express that. everybody hates the current government, regardless of when it is, because nobody is totally happy with the current system. brown came in at a time where we hit a recession, and cameron came in when the big cuts had to be made.
when politicians talk about lowering the deficit, the idea is there should be no deficit IMO. deficit is how much out of pocket you are, for that year. if there is ANY deficit, we are not getting the country out of recession because we are not making any profit, we are working in minus money...
neither party is exactly perfect, neither leader is that great. personally i went for cameron, seems like he a bit more intelligent than brown, but that's just my observation.
nice reasoned argument there, i'm glad you took the time to express that. everybody hates the current government, regardless of when it is, because nobody is totally happy with the current system. brown came in at a time where we hit a recession, and cameron came in when the big cuts had to be made.
when politicians talk about lowering the deficit, the idea is there should be no deficit IMO. deficit is how much out of pocket you are, for that year. if there is ANY deficit, we are not getting the country out of recession because we are not making any profit, we are working in minus money...
neither party is exactly perfect, neither leader is that great. personally i went for cameron, seems like he a bit more intelligent than brown, but that's just my observation.
Well you are right at the moment, however the way i see it these things do not stay the same forever. Misguided fools like myself who get screwed over by the party they were prepared to waste their votes on and will continue to be lied to for the next few years tend to remember it with feeling of bitterness.bahumat42 said:
To my eyes, i'd say we're going to feel the real repercussions of this election not now but in a few years when these cuts take hold and people start questioning why they can't afford to eat, then all of this will be dredged up again. It is always darkest before the dawn and this country has a long history of taking issue with that which it does not like.
See Thatchers poll tax and New Labour's 90 day without charge holding proposals.
... No kidding. Almost all our politicians have a 'rich' background. Most went to Eton, and generally studied in the same places. (Which usually requires a lot of money).Generic Gamer said:
The only real exceptions were older labour candidates that got their positions thanks to trade unions (which no longer really have the power to do that).
But meanwhile, Gordon Brown was in fact only the 2nd prime minister the country has ever had who is from a lower class background...
Except he was chancellor of the exchequer (I.e. THE GUY IN CHARGE OF THE FUCKING MONEY) for a decade before it all went to hell, he was warned repeatedly about his spending but he ignored it all.OblivionRegained said:
The fact 2/3s of the vote is for Brown has me REALLY worried about the English people on this forum...
1. the wrong use of there/they're/their is one of my pet hatesSckizoBoy said:
2. did a bit of research (well, wikipedia!) and, yes, he is Deputy PM. politics was never my strong point. Co-PM would make more sense as they have formed a
