Poll: Which Prime Minister does the UK prefer?

[Professor Cubbage]

Brown because I'm Scottish and therefore it's my duty to hate the Conservatives.

 

[Valkyrie101]

Under Gordon Brown I received E.M.A.(education maintenance allowance). For a poor family £30 a week is a big deal. Also, my mum was able to land a job teaching at a museum an pay for our bills.


When David Cameron came into power he cut funding to museums and my Mum lost her job, to add insult to injury he also fucked me out of my E.M.A. so now my only source of money is my Saturday job.

DAVID CAMERON IS A FUCKING EVIL BASTARD. HE STEALS FROM THE POOR AND GIVES TO THE RICH

EDIT: I'm not saying Gordon Brown is the best PM we've ever had, he's far from it. But god damn at least he wasn't a Nega-Robin Hood

Whoa! Talk about a labour kid!

Jonesy911, have you ever considered the purpose of EMA or, indeed, why these cuts are needed?

No. Because nobody who hates tories with a passion ever does. (Here's a hint: The reason the tories immediately start cutting everything is because LABOUR SPENDS ALL THE MONEY ON STUPID SHIT LIKE E.M.A. AND BANKRUPTED THE COUNTRY). Everyone is still paying the same amount of tax, nobody is getting a tax break and gov. spending is getting cut. This is not 'Robbing the poor to feed the rich', this is 'Oh shit, we're out of money, cut everything and get hated becaues Labour's economics is 'Spend everyone elses' money until there isn't any left''

Use your damn brain for once.

One other thing regarding the highlighted phrase (I agree with what you say). Withdrawing benefits is not "robbing the poor", because "robbing" implies that money is being taken away, which is not true. Instead of taking money, the government are simply not giving money which the recipients have no reasonable claim to anyway. And nothing is being given to the rich, either.

 

[Jonesy911]

If David Cameron wanted to save money he could have cut it from several other things such as the ministry of defence or her majesty's treasury which are both ridiculously bloated. I'm not an idiot, I know he's not just cutting shit for no reason.

Simply put, my family should not have to be forced to live of our grandparents generosity because the government destroyed all of our sources of income. There's cutting costs and then there's fucking over the working class to keep the middle more comfortable.

Edit: Also, try not to be so condescending to people when you have a difference of opinion. It generally makes you look like a massive ponce.

lol!
Someone obviously isn't in touch with middle class people, because, far from being comfortable, they're lumped with the majority of the burden. Tax increase? Middle classes lose out. Benefits? Middle classes are 'too wealthy' to recieve the 'working classes' benefits, so lose out.

Could you cut the MoD? Yes, they have. HM Treasury? Probably. But the Tories have reduced everything, including killing off Labour schemes like the ridiculous EMA. Perhaps you should consider that the government didn't kill off your source of income, its just getting rid of shit that should never have been in the first place.

So its ok for you to call all tories evil bastards, but not alright for me to call you out on it? lol!

You can call me out on something if I'm being retarded, no problem. Just don't tell me to "use my brain for once". Also Museums deserve to be well funded by the government, they should not have cut money to those.

Another, better option which Conservatives are scared of? RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH. For fucks sake it's not like they need all that money.

 

[Jonesy911]

Under Gordon Brown I received E.M.A.(education maintenance allowance). For a poor family £30 a week is a big deal. Also, my mum was able to land a job teaching at a museum an pay for our bills.


When David Cameron came into power he cut funding to museums and my Mum lost her job, to add insult to injury he also fucked me out of my E.M.A. so now my only source of money is my Saturday job.

DAVID CAMERON IS A FUCKING EVIL BASTARD. HE STEALS FROM THE POOR AND GIVES TO THE RICH

EDIT: I'm not saying Gordon Brown is the best PM we've ever had, he's far from it. But god damn at least he wasn't a Nega-Robin Hood

Whoa! Talk about a labour kid!

Jonesy911, have you ever considered the purpose of EMA or, indeed, why these cuts are needed?

No. Because nobody who hates tories with a passion ever does. (Here's a hint: The reason the tories immediately start cutting everything is because LABOUR SPENDS ALL THE MONEY ON STUPID SHIT LIKE E.M.A. AND BANKRUPTED THE COUNTRY). Everyone is still paying the same amount of tax, nobody is getting a tax break and gov. spending is getting cut. This is not 'Robbing the poor to feed the rich', this is 'Oh shit, we're out of money, cut everything and get hated becaues Labour's economics is 'Spend everyone elses' money until there isn't any left''

Use your damn brain for once.

One other thing regarding the highlighted phrase (I agree with what you say). Withdrawing benefits is not "robbing the poor", because "robbing" implies that money is being taken away, which is not true. Instead of taking money, the government are simply not giving money which the recipients have no reasonable claim to anyway. And nothing is being given to the rich, either.

What I meant was that while people like me at the bottom of the ladder are getting fucked over due to the cutting of funding to our workplaces, the rich are getting away with VERY lenient taxes. Why not raise taxes on the rich?

 

[FarleShadow]

You can call me out on something if I'm being retarded, no problem. Just don't tell me to "use my brain for once". Also Museums deserve to be well funded by the government, they should not have cut money to those.

Another, better option which Conservatives are scared of? RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH. For fucks sake it's not like they need all that money.

lol at the jealousy.

Lets have a quick think about that, we raise the taxes on the rich, like labour did (98% tax rate) result? Superrich people leave the country and the amount of tax collected goes DOWN. The current tax rate for 'rich' people earning 150k+ is 50%. That is not 'lenient' by any stretch of the imagination.

For fuck sake, its not like they need it? Well why don't we just convert to communism, then we'll all be happy with you as our noble leader who decides the rules for everyone without the need to ask anyone.

 

[Elvoret]

Brown.
Mostly because I'm not old enough to remember if Labour went back on all their promises or something.Oh, and apparently Pa Broon was a better Chancellor than PM or whatever.

Well, that and the fact Cameron seems...Oily? Is that the right word?

Oh, and two things... 1) I don't blame Clegg. People say the Lib-Dems sold out, but I don't think they had any real choice overall.

2) Big society? Isn't that cutting public-sector jobs and replacing it with volunteer work? Isn't that... bad or something?

 

[xXGeckoXx]

Jesus christ people here voted for brown. He was the worst Prime minister In english History and a major cause for the huge economic problems we are having in england. Cameron on the other hand has fulfilled all his promises. And Seriously Tony Blair only stayed in power so long to avoid letting brown sink the country. Tony's biggest failure was letting Brown make it.

 

[Danzaivar]

Brown. I mean he was asked to Captain the Titanic after being hit by the iceberg. Same boat Obama is in, but hes a much better captain.

Except he was chancellor of the exchequer (I.e. THE GUY IN CHARGE OF THE FUCKING MONEY) for a decade before it all went to hell, he was warned repeatedly about his spending but he ignored it all.

The fact 2/3s of the vote is for Brown has me REALLY worried about the English people on this forum...

If thats the case he was the one who orchestrated the boom in the first place so hes both to blame for both boom and bust.

Atleast he was intelligent and knew what to do, it took FDR 3 terms and a war to get america out of a (granted major) depression. Brown had what a few years? and even then he managed to get the economy to grow before Cameron came in and dick slapped it about.

Germany and america have an increase in jobs yet we are axing jobs. Cameron is just an ideologically driven douche with a chancellor whos equally as wankerish.

Erm actually the boom started while John Major (conservative) was in government around 92/93. Then when a recession nearly hit at the end of Blairs first term (around 2001) they fucked up monetary policy to keep the bubble inflating. We should have had two mini recessions in the past 16 years but due to Browns management we just ended up with a fucking massive one.

If you wanna insult Cameron, then fair enough (He's boring as hell). If you're gonna stick up for Brown, the least you could do is understand how much of a fuck up the man is before you go spouting stuff like that.

P.S. +1 for Hayley Williams avatar.

 

[SckizoBoy]

Brown because I'm Scottish and therefore it's my duty to hate the Conservatives.

Careful there... Tories are a protected species in Scotland!

Case in point: there are more wild ospreys in Scotland than Conservative party members, think of the wildlife programs!

 

[Carbon Monoxide]

Gordon Brown, because he didn't raise the tution fees, and is destroying one of the things I love most about my country - the NHS. Brown did not deserve the bad reputation he got, and is blamed for stuff that is in no way his fault.

 

[Jonesy911]

You can call me out on something if I'm being retarded, no problem. Just don't tell me to "use my brain for once". Also Museums deserve to be well funded by the government, they should not have cut money to those.

Another, better option which Conservatives are scared of? RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH. For fucks sake it's not like they need all that money.

lol at the jealousy.

Lets have a quick think about that, we raise the taxes on the rich, like labour did (98% tax rate) result? Superrich people leave the country and the amount of tax collected goes DOWN. The current tax rate for 'rich' people earning 150k+ is 50%. That is not 'lenient' by any stretch of the imagination.

For fuck sake, its not like they need it? Well why don't we just convert to communism, then we'll all be happy with you as our noble leader who decides the rules for everyone without the need to ask anyone.

Raising the top few percentage's taxes by just 5% would suffice actually. I doubt the wealthy are going to move to a whole new country because of a 5% increase. 50% of 3,000,000 is very lenient if you ask me by the way.

Also thats a very nice way of making my opinion look more radical than it is. No of course we shouldn't just convert to communism. And I'm not even sure what that last sentence is supposed to mean, what just because I have an opinion I therefore think I should be leader? Fuck no I'm in no way suited to be that responsible.

And you can laugh at the "jealousy" all you want, it just makes you an inconsiderate arse. Of course I'm jealous of the rich, but it's not because I want a slightly larger house or a second car, it's because I can't fucking afford a house or driving lessons and not even an education anymore. Ema was keeping me in school. David Cameron's schemes are just a round about way of keeping the gap between rich and poor.

 

[Sun Flash]

Gordon Brown for several reasons.

1) I am Scottish and from a working class background , therefore I am immediately super anti-conservative (it's in my blood)
2) Gordon Brown lives just over the water from me and I've met him and he is a thoroughly nice chap.
3) I believe Labour's ideas for cutting the budget deficit (slow and steady, both in methods and visible results) were much safer and less likely to send us back into the 80s than the Tories hack and slash and hope for the best theory. Plus I think it sucks for those down South not to be able to afford higher education without putting themselves even further into debt. Oh and I think what the Conservatives are doing to the NHS is wrong.
4) Neither Cameron or Brown were/are the best PMs. Not by a long shot, The Labour leader before Brown and Blair, John Smith actually seemed like a pretty cool guy.
5) I don't actually have a fifth reason, I just wanted it to look like I had a longer argument to people who are only skim reading.
6)Shamble Bobble Dibble Dooble.

But hey, that's just me.

Also, last year in Modern Studies, we had to produce a campaign leaflet for each of the three big parties. I made Gordon Brown the terminator because of his wonky eye. I was proud of it.

 

[FarleShadow]

lol at the jealousy.

Lets have a quick think about that, we raise the taxes on the rich, like labour did (98% tax rate) result? Superrich people leave the country and the amount of tax collected goes DOWN. The current tax rate for 'rich' people earning 150k+ is 50%. That is not 'lenient' by any stretch of the imagination.

For fuck sake, its not like they need it? Well why don't we just convert to communism, then we'll all be happy with you as our noble leader who decides the rules for everyone without the need to ask anyone.

Raising the top few percentage's taxes by just 5% would suffice actually. I doubt the wealthy are going to move to a whole new country because of a 5% increase. 50% of 3,000,000 is very lenient if you ask me by the way.

Also thats a very nice way of making my opinion look more radical than it is. No of course we shouldn't just convert to communism. And I'm not even sure what that last sentence is supposed to mean, what just because I have an opinion I therefore think I should be leader? Fuck no I'm in no way suited to be that responsible.

And you can laugh at the "jealousy" all you want, it just makes you an inconsiderate arse. Of course I'm jealous of the rich, but it's not because I want a slightly larger house or a second car, it's because I can't fucking afford a house or driving lessons and not even an education anymore. Ema was keeping me in school. David Cameron's schemes are just a round about way of keeping the gap between rich and poor.

Yes, you might think 5% is a nice figure that nobody would be annoyed about, but I don't think you can put a decisive figure on the tippping point. At best guess, I would say rich people would start leaving when they start to feel its unfair they should shoulder alot more than everyone else simply because they make more.

50% of 3 million seemed lenient, but if you were making 3,000,000 and then had to immediately give half of it away, you wouldn't consider it lenient at all.

You might consider it inconsiderate, but consider this: I went to a school where most of the class recieved EMA, they lived in nice houses, their parent's drove nice cars, etc. To me EMA was an absolute waste of taxpayers money, it might have had noble origins in helping those who were likely to drop out, such as yourself, but the system was so easily abused that everyone could claim it, it becomes a joke.

DC's schemes, insofar as I can tell, aren't about 'Preserving the rich/poor gap', but about cutting the bloated and inefficient government that sucks wealth like a hooker on crack from everyone. Come to think of it, I can think of one massive cut: The Tax Credit office, where the gov taxes you, they spend it on paperpushers and then give it back to you. The ultimate fucking stupidity.

 

[Wolfenbarg]

I'm not from the UK, but Gordon Brown was a laughing riot. He was quite perceptive on global economic affairs, but didn't show that whenever he did something to have him plastered all over the TV. I'm sure people miss him for the jokes alone.

 

[Jonesy911]

lol at the jealousy.

Lets have a quick think about that, we raise the taxes on the rich, like labour did (98% tax rate) result? Superrich people leave the country and the amount of tax collected goes DOWN. The current tax rate for 'rich' people earning 150k+ is 50%. That is not 'lenient' by any stretch of the imagination.

For fuck sake, its not like they need it? Well why don't we just convert to communism, then we'll all be happy with you as our noble leader who decides the rules for everyone without the need to ask anyone.

Raising the top few percentage's taxes by just 5% would suffice actually. I doubt the wealthy are going to move to a whole new country because of a 5% increase. 50% of 3,000,000 is very lenient if you ask me by the way.

Also thats a very nice way of making my opinion look more radical than it is. No of course we shouldn't just convert to communism. And I'm not even sure what that last sentence is supposed to mean, what just because I have an opinion I therefore think I should be leader? Fuck no I'm in no way suited to be that responsible.

And you can laugh at the "jealousy" all you want, it just makes you an inconsiderate arse. Of course I'm jealous of the rich, but it's not because I want a slightly larger house or a second car, it's because I can't fucking afford a house or driving lessons and not even an education anymore. Ema was keeping me in school. David Cameron's schemes are just a round about way of keeping the gap between rich and poor.

Yes, you might think 5% is a nice figure that nobody would be annoyed about, but I don't think you can put a decisive figure on the tippping point. At best guess, I would say rich people would start leaving when they start to feel its unfair they should shoulder alot more than everyone else simply because they make more.

50% of 3 million seemed lenient, but if you were making 3,000,000 and then had to immediately give half of it away, you wouldn't consider it lenient at all.

You might consider it inconsiderate, but consider this: I went to a school where most of the class recieved EMA, they lived in nice houses, their parent's drove nice cars, etc. To me EMA was an absolute waste of taxpayers money, it might have had noble origins in helping those who were likely to drop out, such as yourself, but the system was so easily abused that everyone could claim it, it becomes a joke.

DC's schemes, insofar as I can tell, aren't about 'Preserving the rich/poor gap', but about cutting the bloated and inefficient government that sucks wealth like a hooker on crack from everyone. Come to think of it, I can think of one massive cut: The Tax Credit office, where the gov taxes you, they spend it on paperpushers and then give it back to you. The ultimate fucking stupidity.

Hmmmmm I see. I still want to punch his stupid face in though

EDIT: Also, cutting EMA outright seems a bit extreme. Why not just make the requirements more strict?

 

[FarleShadow]

Hmmmmm I see. I still want to punch his stupid face in though

EDIT: Also, cutting EMA outright seems a bit extreme. Why not just make the requirements more strict?

He's a politican, you're supposed to want to punch them in the face.

Tightening the reqs now would be the same as closing the stable door after the horse has fled. Plus, everyone who didn't qualify would kick off about it.