Poll: whining about WAR

[magnuslion]

it has become very popular in recent years for conquered peoples of one race or another to pop their heads up and complain about how badly they were treated and how unfair it is. personally I blame the liberalization of democracy and the pussification of the male. so, fellow escapists, to the conquered have the right to whine?

 

[Timotei]

If they are being enslaved then yes.

 

[magnuslion]

The people of any nation that gets invaded deserves the sympathy of the world, the so called liberators in Nazi Germany committed terrible atrocities, Eisenhower had PoW sent to American concentration camps. Of course they have the right to "whine", war is started by politicians but it is the people who suffer, when it should be the other way around.

War was going on long before politicians existed. They cannot be sited as its source.

 

[chronobreak]

it has become very popular in recent years for conquered peoples of one race or another to pop their heads up and complain about how badly they were treated and how unfair it is. personally I blame the liberalization of democracy and the pussification of the male. so, fellow escapists, to the conquered have the right to whine?

Yes, they certainly have the right to voice their opinions, depending on what Country they reside in, but they are free to think whatever they like. Where is the discussion here? Also, your poll doesn't make much sense. Whining about war yes or no, it isn't a question, you should make it one.

When people feel they have been mistreated, of course they will speak out, it's happened in any revolution anywhere. Why trivialize it?

 

[Knight Templar]

I haven't really noticed such a thing. Something I have noticed is people from "Nation X" complaining about the treatment of "Nation Y" during war, which is more than a little odd.
War is hell, people have a right to complain about being sent to hell by the actions of others.

I blame the liberalization of democracy and the pussification of the male.

I can't tell if thats a joke or not.

EDIT: What is the poll asking?

 

[Iron Mal]

The people of any nation that gets invaded deserves the sympathy of the world, the so called liberators in Nazi Germany committed terrible atrocities, Eisenhower had PoW sent to American concentration camps. Of course they have the right to "whine", war is started by politicians but it is the people who suffer, when it should be the other way around.

War was going on long before politicians existed. They cannot be sited as its source.

This is true, but in the modern day it is often people in power who start conflicts (namely because they can start them, they posess the power and authority to do so).

 

[APPCRASH]

Yes and no. In some cases I could justify people whining. For example, the native Americans did get royally fucked over because of our ancestors from Europe. Small pox blankets, forced habitation on reservations, and the destruction nature seem like good excuses for complaining. On the other hand, countries that become aggressors and then get beat back, shouldn't start crying. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, and then got hit by the holy hand of god from the U.S. armed forces,they shouldn't say a damn word.

personally I blame the liberalization of democracy and the pussification of the male.

I don't want to blame people's political stand point, to each his own, but I also have noticed a lot of our brethren carrying their testicles around in a purse. Maybe we just grew up in the wrong time period to have faith in men being men and enjoying the taste of battle.

 

[Carbonic Penguin]

I say, let's shrink the scope a bit. If you get into a fight, and you lose, do you have the right to whine about it? It depends, did you start the fight? Did you get any lasting damage? Do people look upon you negatively afterwards? I say that if you weren't the reason for the fight, and it impacts you negatively, then you can whine. So the civilians who have their homes destroyed CAN whine, but I don't think they should use it as an excuse against people who also have nothing to do with it. Especially when the war in question happened 200 years ago.

 

[Pjotr84]

I blame the liberalization of democracy and the pussification of the male.

I can't tell if thats a joke or not.

When men can't feed their families, because their invasor practically burned down their country, they shouldn't be such pussies and cook some stray cats. Sounds good to me...

 

[Canadamus Prime]

If it was relatively recently then sure, but if it was quite some time ago like say 70-100+ years, then no. Esp. when the territories involved no longer exist. *I'm looking at you, Quebec*

 

[Paksenarrion]

Why whine when you can simply resort to violence like the conquerors do?

ie: the ongoing Israeli/Palestine war, and the formation of minority gangs, the Taliban, etc.

When your race has been "conquered", you are faced with two choices: either work within the system of the conquerors and "whine" for recognition, or work outside the system and overthrow the conquerors.

The Spartans were aware of this, so were the Romans, and the American South. The question is, which would you prefer? The "whiners", or payback?

 

[Mr. Grey]

He who wins wars writes history. The same should apply here, if you win you can easily say they have no right to whine. If you lose, no doubt you'll say you should be able to whine. Like practically everyone said: it depends on what or who started the war.

Personally, I don't care because it's all grey to me. Everyone has their reasons for something and that's how I see it here. If you whine, fine... just don't expect me to give a damn.

 

[A.A.K]

I dont think they have the right to complain simply because this kinda stuff is 2 way. if the fallen won the war-gloaty ensues along immense payouts from the newly conquered.
The loser lost for a reason. they werent as good or they werent skilled or they werent prepared. its their fault they lost and so whining about it just makes them a sore loser.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Yes, this is perfectly legitimate. People actually complaining about their treatment by invaders quite often have legitimate grievances. You aren't going to see many Albanians sticking up for the Serbs, and China and Korea are still pissed off over Japan's seeming determination to whitewash the history of the Pacific War.

personally I blame the liberalization of democracy and the pussification of the male.

God, I wish I were a woman right now, just so I could tell you to shove that where the sun don't shine.

...you know what? Screw it, I'm a feminist. Shove that where the sun don't shine.

 

[Jenkins]

yes, I.E

the Palestinians get to have a permenant right to ***** and moan all they want.

 

[Raven's Nest]

it has become very popular in recent years for conquered peoples of one race or another to pop their heads up and complain about how badly they were treated and how unfair it is. personally I blame the liberalization of democracy and the pussification of the male. so, fellow escapists, to the conquered have the right to whine?

Who exactly is in question here? War generals? Common soldiers or civilians? This makes all the difference in the world. You cannot simply claim that no-one in a defeated country has a right to complain about it. I find your views in this matter alarming at best, if I have not misunderstood them?

If you had no role in provoking a war between countries, of which perhaps 0.001 percent of it's population does, then you have every right to complain when soldiers burn your country, rape your women and enslave your kids.

However once all of the people involved in a war have died, I do not believe this gives a person an automatic right to hold grudges against a country or race to the point where they blame people living today for such actions.

 

[magnuslion]

ok people, back on topic. NeutralDrow, go rip off some more D+D crap, and since you have little constructive to say but instead tend to focus on trolling because you dont agree with my opinion, feel free to shut it.

I dont think they have the right to complain simply because this kinda stuff is 2 way. if the fallen won the war-gloaty ensues along immense payouts from the newly conquered.
The loser lost for a reason. they werent as good or they werent skilled or they werent prepared. its their fault they lost and so whining about it just makes them a sore loser.

this is my point. we can all play "Civilization" all we want, but if it comes down to us or them, how many of you would really side with a foreign nation? this applies to escapists of all Nationalities.

 

[maxturbo211]

if they're being bitches about it, no!

 

[Veylon]

To OP: I'll tell you what, if a bunch of marauding Aliens swooped in and left your country a burning hell-hole for no better reason than that they wanted your stuff, you'd be a bit miffed if this was how you were treated: a pathetic inferior deserving only to suffering.

I'll grant that I do tire of hearing Germans and Japanese complain endlessly about how other countries should've been lots nicer to them during their attempt to conquer the world. Or the Israeli and Palestinian Religious Nationalists yell and scream about how evil the other side is as they accept foreign dollars by the cartload to murder innocent civilians.

I do have sympathy for the Aboriginal peoples of the Americas and Australia. They were virtually wiped about by disease, and then set upon by the Europeans in their moment of weakness. Or the Africans in the Congo (and other places) who suffered massacres under Europeans. Or the peoples of East Asia under both Europeans and Japanese. Anyone who gets roughed up in their own country without doing anything to anyone else does have reason to complain.

I would also note that despite your denigration of democracy, it's largely wiped other, inferior types of social organization off the map. So take your own advice and quit whining!

 

[A random person]

Yes, this is perfectly legitimate. People actually complaining about their treatment by invaders quite often have legitimate grievances. You aren't going to see many Albanians sticking up for the Serbs, and China and Korea are still pissed off over Japan's seeming determination to whitewash the history of the Pacific War.

personally I blame the liberalization of democracy and the pussification of the male.

God, I wish I were a woman right now, just so I could tell you to shove that where the sun don't shine.

...you know what? Screw it, I'm a feminist. Shove that where the sun don't shine.

And this pretty much sums up my feelings on both matters. Good night, folks, and good luck.