Poll: Who Do You Think is Best RPGs Between Bioware, Square Enix, and Bethesda?

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Puzzlenaut

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Bioware hasn't made an RPG for years. All they make now is sub-par action games. People laud them for their story and characters but I'm honestly not sure if they have a single character that isn't a walking stereotype, especially in the most recent games

Bethesda makes fantastic games, but they are always a little rough around the edges compared to the much more seamless Bioware and Squeenix games.

Squeenix hasn't done any interesting from a gameplay or story perspective for years and years and barely anything from an artistic standpoint. Plus JRPGs aren't really my thing.

Overall, Bethesda is the only one who looks like they might still be able to make games that compare to their old games -- the only developer of the three that isn't in decline, so I choose them.
 

nomzy

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Having finished KOTOR the other week, I'm going to say Bioware.
That and I absolutely love DA:O.
 

Grey_Focks

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BioWare, because both Mass Effects and KotOR, though Bethesda is damned close. Won't get into the reasons why too much, but the Mass Effects pretty much had everything I want in a videogame, and KotOR is KotOR. Bethesda just make open-world games like nobody's business, and I've spent more hours than I care to admit in Tamriel and The Capital Wasteland.

And Square is still being punished for FF13/14 and The Last Remnant. I have no hope for them anymore, and I plan on buying Deus Ex used just so none of my money goes to their pockets. Seriously, the company that made Final fantasy tactics is long dead and buried, and far too busy making Kingdom Hearts spinoffs on handhelds and shitty games that wish they were movies.
 

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Semitendon said:
ChupathingyX said:
Semitendon said:
Oblivion is the best RPG I've played, with KOTOR being a close, close second. Sadly, while Mass Effect 1 was good, and Dragon Age Origins was decent, the watered down, and linear progressions of both Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 decimate any high opinion KOTOR might have brought Bioware.
Yeah because you know, Oblivion wasn't watered down or linear at all.
Compared to ME2 and DA2, you are correct. ME2 was especially horrible, as a large portion of RPG elements were removed altogether.

Your claim is that Oblivion is just as bad. Comparativly, maybe it was, but since I haven't played an RPG that was better, my opinion stands.

Feel free to suggest a modern RPG that was better. Keep in mind that I do not play JRPG's.
This is just so funny and unreal, I just have to interrupt here.

Did you know that for enthousiasts with good taste, the question is: which modern RPG is worse still than Oblivion.

It's a short list:
Arcania.
 

AlternatePFG

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veloper said:
Semitendon said:
ChupathingyX said:
Semitendon said:
Oblivion is the best RPG I've played, with KOTOR being a close, close second. Sadly, while Mass Effect 1 was good, and Dragon Age Origins was decent, the watered down, and linear progressions of both Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 decimate any high opinion KOTOR might have brought Bioware.
Yeah because you know, Oblivion wasn't watered down or linear at all.
Compared to ME2 and DA2, you are correct. ME2 was especially horrible, as a large portion of RPG elements were removed altogether.

Your claim is that Oblivion is just as bad. Comparativly, maybe it was, but since I haven't played an RPG that was better, my opinion stands.

Feel free to suggest a modern RPG that was better. Keep in mind that I do not play JRPG's.
This is just so funny and unreal, I just have to interrupt here.

Did you know that for enthousiasts with good taste, the question is: which modern RPG is worse still than Oblivion.

It's a short list:
Arcania.
To be fair, repeatedly getting kicked in face with a spiky boot is better than Arcania.
 

The Abhorrent

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My vote goes for Bioware right now, and oddly enough they're the developper whose games I've gotten into last.

Bethedsa does create some very interesting concepts, and their open-world RPG design is very fun in its own way... alas, I'm more interested in good storytellings. Oblivion has provided a ton of entertainment over the past few years, but it has largely been done as a diversion and/or to satisfy my desire to do some random exploring; and maybe the fun of trying out the many various mods. I'll definitely be getting (and enjoying) Skyrim, but it's looking like I'll be treating it as something similar to Oblivion - a fun diversion, but one which lacks a strong storyline to drive it. I haven't really bothered with the Fallout games (not interested in the setting), and I've played barely any of Morrowind as well (tried Oblivion first, and while Morrowind supposedly does thing better... it's rather inaccessible in comparison and doesn't manage to hold my interest long enough).

As I had noted, I enjoy good stories in my games; so Square Enix should be the obvious choice, right? JRPGs may be overly linear, but still have some of the best stories in gaming... unfortuantely, Square Enix hasn't been doing well the past several years. To be perfectly honest, the slip began roughly around when Squaresoft and Enix merged to become the current company; there were a few good games in the first few years after that, but afterwards it's been rather underwhelming. Looking back at the classics Squaresoft created, those are some of my favourite games of all time. Heck, I've only recently gotten around to trying Xenogears (I picked up a PS1 copy of the game years ago, it's been sitting around simply because I've been playing more modern games instead) and I'm greatly enjoying it. However, looking at their more recent installments hasn't been so good; just about all the Final Fantasy titles after FFX hasn't managed to hold my interest for very long. Square Enix appears to be trying to re-invent the series (repeatedly) to better fit into the modern era, but it just isn't working; the storylines are also lacking the charm of the older titles. There's so much potential in Square, but they just can't seem to get it right (for me, at least).

And finally, we have Bioware. Perhaps it's my misfortune to have missed out on all of their older and supposedly "better" games, but I'm finding that their recent titles have been outstanding (though I won't deny that DA2 was a disappointment). The Mass Effect series is a damned-near perfect blend of great (action-oriented) gameplay and outstanding storytelling; and it presents a great deal of choice about the storyline as well, not just concerning character progression. Dragon Age: Origins is another title I found to be outstanding, with yet another great storyline that you can affect a great deal. Even if Bioware's games all seem to follow a tried-and-true formula, it's done well enough that the only people who give a damn are those who are trying to come off as smart by being a critic that completely ignores the merits of a product for silly reasons.
 

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Bethesda is never going to win on the Escapist forums. A poll at Kotaku or Destructoid would probably be different.

Bioware is still great, in its own right.

I voted Bethesda.
 

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AlternatePFG said:
veloper said:
Semitendon said:
ChupathingyX said:
Semitendon said:
Oblivion is the best RPG I've played, with KOTOR being a close, close second. Sadly, while Mass Effect 1 was good, and Dragon Age Origins was decent, the watered down, and linear progressions of both Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 decimate any high opinion KOTOR might have brought Bioware.
Yeah because you know, Oblivion wasn't watered down or linear at all.
Compared to ME2 and DA2, you are correct. ME2 was especially horrible, as a large portion of RPG elements were removed altogether.

Your claim is that Oblivion is just as bad. Comparativly, maybe it was, but since I haven't played an RPG that was better, my opinion stands.

Feel free to suggest a modern RPG that was better. Keep in mind that I do not play JRPG's.
This is just so funny and unreal, I just have to interrupt here.

Did you know that for enthousiasts with good taste, the question is: which modern RPG is worse still than Oblivion.

It's a short list:
Arcania.
To be fair, repeatedly getting kicked in face with a spiky boot is better than Arcania.
Yes it is.
Score -1 for Oblivion then?
 

GrandmaFunk

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Had to go with Square based on the strength of it's classics and deeper library. Final Fantasy Tactics remains my all-time favourite RPG.

My experience with the other two is pretty limited, just couldn't get into ME and fallout3 was pretty great at first but i got really bored of it after a dozen hours.

I think ArenaNet should get some love in here as Guild Wars is the best RPG to come out in the last decade.
 

Sevre

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Serious lack of Atlus there, come on guys, pull out your old PS2 and get Persona 4 for 10 quid off Amazon and you'll realise that nothing else compares.

But in this list I can't decide between Bethesda and Squeenix for Oblivion and Chrono Trigger respectively.
 

barash

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alinos said:
barash said:
Bioware is all about 'the illusion of choice' now because they think this generation of gamers are to dumbass to notice the difference.
i agree on one part here, but i am curious how much of this is the fact that they work for the evil taskmasters at EA.

ME and DA:O were much more inline with bioware releases. they were rich and had complexities to them.

While the sequels essentially bastardised both franchises.

also interestingly that before EA became their publisher they had only ever made 1 sequel to a property they had created(Being Baldur's gate 2) any other games that contained sequels normally were handled by obsidian.

though there downfall in terms of quality can also be associated with the much larger and more casual playerbase on the consoles. Which tend to demand a action based experience over anything else.
Aye, I've pondered on those points as well, but in the end it doesn't really matter. The old Bioware is no more, and the new Bioware seems intent to change their business-plan from making well-made storydriven RPG's to making shit-that's-just-a-notch-above-shovelware (in comparison to their old stuff ofc! settle down fanbois..) and cashing in on that to appease their new gargatuan overlords.
 

Roganzar

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Five years ago I would have said Square Enix, but now I have to go with Bioware.
 

ChupathingyX

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mitchell271 said:
You did play KOTOR 2, right? All Obsidian does is takes another franchise and uses it. KOTOR was from Bioware, Fallout is owned by Bethesda now. Obsidian does not make original games, therefore, they do not deserve your admiration. Go play DA:O, ME 1 & 2. Then tell us that Obsidian is great.
Oh...oh my god.

You have no idea how ignorant that post was...wow, just wow.
 

ChupathingyX

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Semitendon said:
Feel free to suggest a modern RPG that was better. Keep in mind that I do not play JRPG's.
Fallout: New Vegas, it actually lets you choose who you want to fight for, that automatically makes it a better RPG (that's: role playing game) than Oblivion.
 

Navvan

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This was actually kinda difficult for me to choose. Square has made one of my favorite games of all time, FF Tactics, but most of what they make turns out to be mediocre or bad. So that takes square out of the race I suppose.

Bioware and Bethesda both make great games, but I feel what makes the Fallout/Elder Scroll games so great falls more into the category of sandbox than actual RPG.

Bioware Wins.
 

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Tough call.

The only Bethesda game I really liked was Oblivion.

I adored Bioware's work pre-ME2 and DA2 a lot, though.

And I like a fuck-ton of Square Enix stuff, but most of them are published, not developed.

So...Bioware?
 

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Xzi said:
ChupathingyX said:
Errrr...Obsidian.

I've never played a Square Enix RPG or a Bioware RPG.

And Bethesda "RPGs" barely have any choice in them, at least the last two really dropped the ball, and I'm still on the fence about Skyrim.
+1. Obsidian beats all of those choices. Although I'm not sure which is worse, Dungeon Siege 3 or Dragon Age 2...
obsidian? really? bioware is a whole league above obsidian only bethesda can compete with bioware only because of the elder scrolls franchise you must have a selective memory when it comes to obsidian they ruin franchises its what they do they are the treyarch of RPGs. 1.Neverwinter Nights 2 - The original Neverwinter Nights was made by Bioware, and was a fun, deep, and immersive game, held together with an interesting story. The sequel, made by Obsidian, was a glitchly nightmare with a story that ended by dying halfway through, with no interesting climax or resolution.2. Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - Another sequel to a bioware game, with the same story, the original game was great, and the sequel, made by Obsidian, had a story that died and buried itself halfway through. now anyone who loved the first star wars by bioware will never forgive obsidian they carnt make games without them being glitchly even through they have longer devolpment times and an enigne that was smoothed out at the end of the first games life. that is a fact.
 

Da Orky Man

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Bethesda or Bioware... Two of my favourite game companies. I'm going to have to go with Bioware, simply because I'd prefer to play Mass Effect3 than Skyrim.
 

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I'm going to have to go with Bethesda. It was close and Bioware had them beat in terms of story for a while, but after ME2, they lost serious points in that regard.