Poll: Who is more evil, EA or Activision?

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Scizophrenic Llama said:
People keep saying EA murdered Bioware, but if Activision was publishing Bioware, we'd have Mass Effect 1, 2, 3, 4, ME: Trading Card Game, Mass Effect: Future Warfare, and Guitar Hero: Mass Effect(I'd put that right around before GH died) with Mass Effect 5 and Mass Effect: Online in development. Bioware finally gets fed up with it and decides they won't take this shit anymore and Activision replaces them with Treyarch.
Activision is starting to make it a habit to run a game into the ground, beat it's corpse to ensure all of the money has fallen out of it, and then run off to the next one to repeat the process.
THIS...
Mass Effect 2 has some things that were not as good as Mass Effect 1, but that is a long way to saying it was a bad game, or that EA is evil and the only reason for the shortcomings.

Lets review each company, shall we?
EA Activision
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Battlefield Call of Duty
Rock Band Guitar Hero
Skate Tony Hawks
Old Republic World of Warcraft
Red Alert 3 Starcraft 2
Mass Effect nothing
FIFA nothing
Madden nothing
Brutal Legend nothing (Not sequalizable... fired them, then sue them)
Burnout nothing
Need for Speed Blur (didn't sell, studio was closed)

One created and promoted new IP (Brutal Legend, Dead Space, Mirrors Edge, Skate and Dragon Age, for example), and its Partners programs allowed some games like Bulletstorm, Portal 2, Crysis 2 and Alice; while the other one focuses in games licensed from movies and squished IP dry (Tony Hawks, Guitar Hero). Although I don't think anything other than people can be labeled as "evil", I prefer EA over Activision.
 

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EA without a shadow of a doubt. I've never really had much trouble with Activision, a few niggles here and there. But every game I get from EA is just 7 massive headaches all at once for days on end. What a mess.
 

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xXDeMoNiCXx said:
Vault boy Eddie said:
This thread should be called, "Battlefield fans will say Activision, CoD fans will say EA."
I'm a Battlefield fan and I chose EA.
Good for you, I was generalizing for the fanboys that will follow a company no matter what. Thought that was plainly obvious.
 

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They aren't evil. They are profit driven.

Look, a business magnate bribing government officials to steal public water for use in factories is evil because water is a life necessity. An energy monopoly pointlessly increasing energy rates to the point where little old ladies freeze to death in a cold snap is evil.

A video game publisher increasing the price of a VIDEO GAME? Evil? You're gonna call that "Evil"? That's not evil. Heartless? Cold? Maybe (but if you ever thought that a video game publisher was supposed to be your friend... well I don't know what to say).

And besides "Because they publish some of my favourite games" is not a valid, logical point. If their business practices are the same (and in general, they operate in a very similar way) then they are both equally "evil".

For life necessities, I am a semi-socialist. The poor (especially poor kids) do not deserve to die or be denied an education, and the rich can certainly afford to pay a bit more in taxes to accommodate public services (which they might have to depend upon one day themselves. Just because you are rich now, doesn't mean you are rich forever. You won't believe the amount of millionaires who blow their entire fortune then turn to the same public welfare services they so relentlessly despised when they were rich).

But when it comes to life's luxuries I am entirely, absolutely, utterly, ruthlessly capitalist. You don't NEED video games to have a good life. You Don't - no one has died or has been prevented from having a good job and family due to video games (in fact, quite the opposite - video games have killed (very few) people, ruined (quite a lot of) families and destroyed (a staggering amount) jobs due to addiction).

Video games are made by the developer and published by the publisher. They made the game. You didn't. You didn't have to lift one measly finger to make the game. What right do you have to DEMAND that they provide it at a price YOU find pleasing? What moral or legal right do you have to the game? You don't have any. Not one. If you don't like the price..... don't buy the game. You know that's an option. You know you DON'T have to buy the game if you don't like the price/content/publisher.

A Porsche dealer charges far more for their car than the cost of manufacturing, and no one raises a bit of fuss. It's seen as normal that a luxury car costs a lot. Games are an entertainment luxury - they are not the only form of entertainment (although they are a particularly good form of entertainment) and they certainly aren't the most expensive forms of entertainment and leisure (holiday and air travel top that list). But I don't find anyone angrily demanding that the airline provide the tickers cheaper and accuse Qantas or Delta of being "evil", even when, when you really think about it, air-travel should be more of a "right" than video games (I don't actually think air-travel, except for medical or political reasons, is a right).

I don't like the way Activision treated IW. Was Activision legally wrong in denying the bonuses to IW? Probably. Maybe. I don't know, I haven't read the employee contracts, and I'll bet, neither have you. We'll have to wait for the court-case. But don't pretend that EA wouldn't do exactly the same thing.

All companies want to make money. That's their purpose. That's why they were made. A lot of developers want to make games AND money - that's why they got jobs as developers. They sink a lot of money into making these games - I don't think you actually have an appreciation of the sheer amount of money that is needed to make modern day games the way most people like - you can say "well what the modern market wants is STUPID", but it's still want the modern market wants and developers cater to the modern market - they don't have a legal or moral imperative to cater to the whims of a small and diminishing segment of the market, because that makes no business sense, and like it or not, video game developers DON'T RUN ON FAIRY DUST! Or Fan appreciation Emails! Or Wishful thoughts! You can't pay your lead programmer in fanboy points or community love - they've got families and houses and mortgages and they need to do grocery shopping to! You know, because they need to eat!

Let me put it another way: You don't NEED to go to Disney land. Do you have a RIGHT to demand that Disney give you tickets at a cheaper price then they are being sold at? Why can a luxury car dealer be allowed to make a big profit selling an unnecessary product that is not needed for life, liberty or happiness, yet a video game developer can't?

The video game community has this bizarre, weird feeling of entitlement. You are not entitled to games YOU DID NOT MAKE YOURSELF. End of story. The maker and the publisher has the right to charge what they want for THEIR CREATION, especially when said creation is A LUXURY (a luxury in the sense that you don't need it to have a good life. Plenty of people have never played Video Games in their entire life and are juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust fine!)

I agree, if you don't like the price, don't buy the game! I didn't buy Black Ops for the initial Australian selling price, because it was way too expensive. I didn't go on a populist rant about how evil the company was, I just said "nope, too expensive" and I waited for a better deal (ended up buying a legit steam version for 40 dollars a week after release, thanks to people in Eastern Europe).

I am not saying that you just pay whatever activision prices their games at! I am saying that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE GAME! If you think it's too expensive, don't buy it! But Activision aren't being "Evil". Gaddafi, he's evil. Bobby Kotick? Not so much.
 

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RatRace123 said:
Without a doubt, Activision. EA used to be the crown king of all that is evil in the gaming world, but now that title belongs to Activision.
Dumping new IPs if they're not franchise worthy, yearly sequels.

And of course, what they did to Spyro.
KILL IT!
 

Ken_J

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tomme69 said:
Phlakes said:
Stop it.

There are no "evil" corporations.

There are just corporations. EA and Activision both do what's good for business, because, you know, THEY'RE BUSINESSES. If they did exactly what the fans wanted they would be run into the ground and dirt poor. I know people get that feeling of self-importance when they complain about the "evil corporations", but it's no better than conspiracy theories. So grow up.

...On a more related note, Activision.
If they did exactly what the fans, wanted then would they sell more games . . .
No fanbases are unpleasable. You try to please one fan and you alienate another.

Prime example the Zelda fanbase: Ocarina of Time came out and was well recieved. Majora's Mask came next and people called it a rehash. Then Windwaker, people complained it wasn't like Ocarina. Finally Twilight Princess, people complained it was too much like Ocarina.
See also Transformers and Pokemon.
 

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I don't think either of them are evil, but I'll just say Activision is worse, if only because I don't really care about either company. I fully support EA's attempts to get money back through project ten dollar, and I never had to deal with their DRM because I won't be going digital for a while.

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Scizophrenic Llama said:
People keep saying EA murdered Bioware, but if Activision was publishing Bioware, we'd have Mass Effect 1, 2, 3, 4, ME: Trading Card Game, Mass Effect: Future Warfare, and Guitar Hero: Mass Effect(I'd put that right around before GH died) with Mass Effect 5 and Mass Effect: Online in development. Bioware finally gets fed up with it and decides they won't take this shit anymore and Activision replaces them with Treyarch.

Activision is starting to make it a habit to run a game into the ground, beat it's corpse to ensure all of the money has fallen out of it, and then run off to the next one to repeat the process.
Exactly, Bioware makes one game with a short development cycle and suddenly the company has been murdered. Unless all those people hate Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age: Origins, I don't want to hear it.
I didn't play Dragon Age: Origins, but am I allowed to hate it if I thought Mass Effect 2 was barely decent because of its functional gameplay?
 

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They aren't evil. One (Activision) just doesn't give a shit and is only in it for the money, and the other (EA) is either really really stupid or just assumes that we gamers are all stupid (case-in-point: the Dante's Inferno and Dead Space 2 ad campaigns). Though EA does seem more willing to take risks when it comes to new ideas and IPs, and are the least likely to run their franchises into the ground, so I'd say they're the least bad of the two.
 

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Riff Moonraker said:
brandon237 said:
The7Sins said:
EA due to there tampering have ruined Mass Effect 2
Define ruined.

ME2 definitely did not have the feel of a ruined game. It was a well-polished, well made, entertaining game with deep and interesting characters and the ways in which your decisions and previous play influenced the ending was quite clever. It also had, in my opinion, good replay value (ie: I played it about 5 times before I touched another game).

OT: Slightly more activision, but I HATE some of Ubisoft's buggy games, they are full of nonsense sometimes... My copy of Assassin's creed (a new, unscratched disk) gave me the buggiest few installs I have ever had on this pc. I had 11 BSODs in 1 day.

My PC almost fried from that game.
I agree about Mass Effect 2. I definitely loved the game. The parts where I could see EA's grubby little fingers came when they started selling outfits for the characters. THAT part I didnt like. At least that didnt have an affect on how I enjoyed the game.
As for the game itself it actually had very little that seemed overly... corporate. Sure the extra crap was, but extra crap always is. What kind of world would this be if it weren't?
And half the DLC was free, and yet more could be earned without paying more than you would anyway... So overall one of EA's better decisions / games.
 

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Vault boy Eddie said:
xXDeMoNiCXx said:
Vault boy Eddie said:
This thread should be called, "Battlefield fans will say Activision, CoD fans will say EA."
I'm a Battlefield fan and I chose EA.
Good for you, I was generalizing for the fanboys that will follow a company no matter what. Thought that was plainly obvious.
This just in: not everyone thinks like you. Thought that was plainly obvious.
 

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xXDeMoNiCXx said:
Vault boy Eddie said:
xXDeMoNiCXx said:
Vault boy Eddie said:
This thread should be called, "Battlefield fans will say Activision, CoD fans will say EA."
I'm a Battlefield fan and I chose EA.
Good for you, I was generalizing for the fanboys that will follow a company no matter what. Thought that was plainly obvious.
This just in: not everyone thinks like you. Thought that was plainly obvious.
This just in: I was GENERALIZING. Someone doesn't understand words.
 

Brandon237

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The7Sins said:
brandon237 said:
The7Sins said:
EA due to there tampering have ruined Mass Effect 2
Define ruined.

ME2 definitely did not have the feel of a ruined game. It was a well-polished, well made, entertaining game with deep and interesting characters and the ways in which your decisions and previous play influenced the ending was quite clever. It also had, in my opinion, good replay value (ie: I played it about 5 times before I touched another game).

OT: Slightly more activision, but I HATE some of Ubisoft's buggy games, they are full of nonsense sometimes... My copy of Assassin's creed (a new, unscratched disk) gave me the buggiest few installs I have ever had on this pc. I had 11 BSODs in 1 day.

My PC almost fried from that game.
ME2 had a ton of retcons from ME1. (and retcons alone are usually break the impersiveness enough for me to hate said games that have them) But in addition the combat in ME2 was waaaaaaaaaay worse than ME1. Well it was good for generic shooters but I did not play ME1 for generic shooters I played it for the unique combat of the Mass Effect universe. Instead in 2 it was all replaced with heat sinks (see retcons), a cover system, and weakened Biotics which no longer worked on simple armor or shields which is bogus.

Also many of the characters were uninteresting bricks with little need to be on the team. Honestly we could have gotten by with half the squadmates we had and that would have given Bioware more ability to make a more believable story with no bloody plot holes in it.

And onto the story it was plot hole heaven with almost no need for it. Hell one of the DLC not only had another gaping retcon introduced but made the already forgettable and unneeded plot of ME2 even more unneeded.

Oh and Shepard died in the beginning only to come back to life. Way to ruin the flow of the game off the damn bat Bioware.

Lack of powers to use.

Honestly the only good thing about ME2 was Legions whole arc minus the actual mission where we get him as the Derelict Reaper is piss in its own right for what it does to the story and the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC.

If you haven't yet watch Smudboy's videos on youtube. He can describe the crappyness of ME2 in more eloquent detail than me and my bad English can describe.
ME2 combat worse than that in ME1?
THAT is one I have never heard before. Of all the arguments I have heard, that must rank as the weakest. The combat was fluid and it didn't take you 47 hours to heal in the second one. The heat sinks made more sense for combat (the use of heat sinks WAS explained in the game and the codex/manual thing), although that is just my opinion. Also the abilities required some tactical use with the different armours et cetera. In ME1 it was a case of use biotic, every enemy is dead now and flying 300 feet into the atmosphere of the next planet.

The characters were, in my opinion, a lot more interesting in ME2, especially Garrus, Thane and Legion, all awesomely done. All the characters had clever back stories to me and I actually wanted to learn more about them.

The death of Shepard at the beginning was used to start the story they had intended, they needed all the old crew to have gotten themselves into some interesting situations and for the universe to have changed a little (collector crisis, vorcha).

And putting entire posts in colour is frowned upon here, you are just one of many users, if everyone did this the forums would be a mess.