Poll: Who would win in a fight? Harry Potter or Vegeta?

[McMarbles]

We're talking a series where the characters were, at their base level, capable of vaporizing the moon, right?

 

[kyp275]

We're talking a series where the characters were, at their base level, capable of vaporizing the moon, right?

Yea? I?m frankly surprised that this managed to get to page 3. Vegeta vs Harry Potter isn?t Superman vs Lex Luthor, it?s an Imperial Star Destroyer vs. a 1/100th scale model of the Wright Brother?s plane. The power level of the two universes are entirely way too far apart.

Vegeta can underestimate Harry, let him fire off his spell, realize he underestimated Harry, grab a sandwich from a convenience store 2 blocks away, sun-tan while he eats the sandwich, and slaps Harry into next week before his spell managed to travel half the distance between them.

Remember the scene with Quicksilver in Days of Future Past? It?d be like that, except worse.

 

[Therumancer]

It has been a while, but my understanding from the books was that they were indeed one and the same item, the apparent destruction of the sorcerer's stone was a dupe so it wouldn't be expected to reappear. It's true nature not revealed (as opposed to what was said originally) until the concept of The Deathly Hallows was introduced. It has been a while however since I either watched the movies or read the books (which there are differences between) so I could be wrong but that is the understanding I came away with. Likewise my impression is that the Deathly Hallows were indeed created by death, however most people did not believe they existed because the idea was so far fetched, only a select few wizards and crackpots believing that such things were out there.

You're misremembering. The Philosopher's Stone is a legendary alchemic item, purportedly able to turn metals into gold and produce the "Elixir of Life", which classically has healing/rejuvenative properties. The Resurrection Stone is loosely based on the concept of necromancy in the way it allows one to summon the spirits of the dead, which again is the only ability ever truly attributed to it, though Grindelwald did apparently speculate it could allow him to raise a zombie army. The Philosopher's Stone was - to the best of the reader's knowledge only ever in the possession of Nicholas Flammel and the people guarding it, whereas the Resurrection Stone was the centerpiece of a ring owned by Voldemort's Grandfather (though he was unaware of its nature) and subsequently turned into a horcrux, and it wasn't until Dumbledore got his hands on it that anyone realized what it was...at which point his excitement led him to promptly forget that it was a horcrux and try to use it, resulting in the curse on his arm in Half-Blood Prince. There is nothing textually to suggest that the items are in any way related, and they are never purported to possess the abilities you're attributing to them here.

It's also perhaps worth noting that while various characters treat the concept of "Master of Death" said to follow the acquisition of the three Deathly Hallows as effective immortality, Rowling did clarify that it meant quite the opposite. To quote "As Dumbledore explains, the real master of Death accepts that he must die, and that there are much worse things in the world of the living. It is not about striving for immortality, but about accepting mortality." The stone possessing the ability to truly defy death would very much stand in opposition to that lesson.

That of course could also just be Dumbledore's interpretation as bad things happened to all of the brothers in the story. We'll have to agree to disagree on whether having all three makes Harry effectively invincible, especially seeing as I have pointed out myself that he is unlikely to possess all three in any confrontation. Besides by your logic aren't you basically saying that if push comes to shove Harry could have an army of zombies Vegeta would have to get through first guaranteeing the first strike? Sure Harry going full "Necromancer" does seem unlikely but then again in this argument we're also undercutting Vegeta's overconfidence by not giving Harry the first strike for those reasons. Like a lot of the discussion involved here one cannot hold Harry back for personality based limitations but then not do the same for Vegeta.

I mean don't get me wrong I've failed to turn the poll (big time) but at the end of the day the bottom line is that it ends with one strike, and if Harry decides to transfigure Vegeta it's over. He's probably got dozens of ways of getting a shot at him, all of which can be argued, but at the end of the day Vegeta would likely just give him that shot and then spend the rest of his Saiyan existence as an endless toilet paper dispenser or a gerbil or whatever.

 

[kyp275]

I mean don't get me wrong I've failed to turn the poll (big time) but at the end of the day the bottom line is that it ends with one strike, and if Harry decides to transfigure Vegeta it's over. He's probably got dozens of ways of getting a shot at him, all of which can be argued, but at the end of the day Vegeta would likely just give him that shot and then spend the rest of his Saiyan existence as an endless toilet paper dispenser or a gerbil or whatever.

Nevermind what I said about the speed difference between the two(Harry has about as much chance of hitting Vegeta as a 400lb man in a wheel chair hitting Quicksilver with a punch), transfiguring Vegeta wouldn't end anything - he'd just insta-gib Harry as a toilet paper dispenser or gerbil, as you said.

 

[Tiger King]

I said harry potter.
don't like the books or films one bit, but 'vegeta' (whoever that is) sounds like something a lady would use to cure a yeast infection.
besides, harry has a little special scar on his head making him ultra special.

 

[Therumancer]

I mean don't get me wrong I've failed to turn the poll (big time) but at the end of the day the bottom line is that it ends with one strike, and if Harry decides to transfigure Vegeta it's over. He's probably got dozens of ways of getting a shot at him, all of which can be argued, but at the end of the day Vegeta would likely just give him that shot and then spend the rest of his Saiyan existence as an endless toilet paper dispenser or a gerbil or whatever.

Nevermind what I said about the speed difference between the two(Harry has about as much chance of hitting Vegeta as a 400lb man in a wheel chair hitting Quicksilver with a punch), transfiguring Vegeta wouldn't end anything - he'd just insta-gib Harry as a toilet paper dispenser or gerbil, as you said.

However, it should be noted that Vegeta gets hit by energy blasts all the time, he dodges some yes, but he also gets nailed. Harry doesn't have to punch him. What's more with transfiguration there doesn't appear to be any blast or beam to dodge. What's more the way it works in the Wizarding world is that transfiguring a living thing into an object or animal doesn't allow the person transfigured that way to retain any of their powers or abilities. Vegeta would for example just be a normal Gerbil, fish out of water, or piece of furniture, he wouldn't say be a Gerbil with Super Saiyan powers anymore, although it could be argued the methods used in his universe might cause that to happen, but he's not dealing with a shapechange enforced by someone in the DBZ universe. The bottom line is all Harry needs is one shot and it's over, the same for Vegeta.

Personality wise Vegeta is likely to give Harry that shot, and beyond that as I've pointed out there are methods by which Harry could bushwhack him if we're going with the full array of abilities and items that Harry has at his disposal.

 

[Therumancer]

I said harry potter.
don't like the books or films one bit, but 'vegeta' (whoever that is) sounds like something a lady would use to cure a yeast infection.
besides, harry has a little special scar on his head making him ultra special.

Vegeta is an alien martial arts master from the action-comedy universe of "Dragon Ball Z" where a lot of the characters have very silly names. A good comparison for him would probably be if one of the well known cosmic-level DC or Marvel characters took kung-fu lessons. He tends to run around the universe sort of like "Champion" from The Marvel Universe using a device called a "scouter" to evaluate the power level of different beings and challenge those that he thinks are strong to duels. The whole "over 9000" joke from DBZ is a reference to scouter-power ratings where they frequently run into beings who are so powerful that they max out the limit on how far the scouter can evaluate them. At top Tier a lot of the DBZ characters can destroy planets as easily as someone like Superman or The Silver Surfer could, it's just that unlike those characters they use this power casually (especially for comedic effect) and like a lot of Anime characters self control is not the strong suit of pretty much anyone in that universe. While Vegeta doesn't destroy planets casually, guys from that universe have done so, so sort of envision what would happen if Superman decided he just wanted to fly around the galaxy and use his full heat vision power to core plants as he flew past or someone with the power cosmic thought blowing up civilized worlds (as opposed to scouting them for say Galactus to eat, or becoming a peaceful explorer and philosopher).

The nature of the duel is one where like many fights involving Superman, the potential power level of the character is such he could pretty much win without most beings not on a similar power ever getting a shot by say just flat out blowing up the planet (though that would be fairly out of character). The idea here is a fight, so presumably the idea would be that Vegeta would see Harry's potential power level on his scouter and challenge him due to Vegeta's desire to show he has the galaxy's biggest E-peen rating on his scouter. My point is largely that if Harry ever did get a shot he could defeat Vegeta by transforming him into something harmless, which is possible by the rules of Harry's universe. Most straight ways of attacking Vegeta would be ineffective unless you had something on a truly crazy level. The thing is Vegeta has a tendency to show up and say "go ahead, take your shot" given that he is totally cocky (and sometimes he regrets this severely as a result) which is presumably what would happen here and since Harry can do more than just say hit him with an E-peen energy blast for them to compare power levels it wouldn't end well for Vegeta. Or conversely if Harry had time to prepare and Vegeta was just walking along on planet level or something could also end the fight by bushwhacking him.

It's very much a Superman Vs. Batman kind of fight when you get down to it, Superman could nuke Batman from orbit easily, but if you give Batman a chance to face him and time to prepare it's much more interesting. Superman's arch enemy (who has beaten him numerous times) is Lex Luthor who is the same basic way, being entirely based on preparation, head on Lex Vs. Superman isn't anywhere near a fair fight, but well... if you read Superman you know Lex deserves the title of "Arch Enemy" for some very good reasons. That's what this fight reminds me of, and I took Harry's side because once you omit the use of a gross abuse of power which is outside of Vegeta's personality as much as it Superman's (albeit for very different reasons) the entire equasion changes.

This was based on a girlfriend/boyfriend argument. Me, personally, if I was trying to set up a confrontation of this sort between two forces that are similar and roughly even I would have say pitted "The Champion" against "Vegeta" since they do pretty much the same exact thing, and have very similar types of powers being incredibly skilled fighters with vast, cosmic-level energy manipulation abilities. What's more I could easily see those two having an dick waving contest if they ever learned about each other since they pretty much travel around the universe looking for people to challenge to prove how tough they are. Of course nowadays more people know Vegeta than know The Champion or are familiar with say "The Power Primordial" which he uses. Champion being one of Marvel's "Elders Of The Universe" who survived from the destruction of the universe before this one, hence he's literally older than the current universe. But I wasn't the one who was creating a match up so it's largely academic.