Poll: Will bioware be able to pull this year off?

[Vault101]

They need to can Old Republic before they throw any more money into it.

WOW isn't going anywhere so all they're doing is burning cash on that project.

They said that that Mass Effect 3 was going to play like Call of Duty or Bullet Storm which made me seriously consider killing myself. Or at least killing everyone who works at Bioware.

I think they're done unless they pull their heads out of their asses, stop making Old Republic and make Mass Effect play like Mass Effect.

thats a pretty..strange quote any Idea where it came from?

anyway I know they wanted to tweak and improve the shooting...oh and ALOT of people liked ME2 so they didnt lose any money there..

and Im going to be honest and say I think some so called Bioware "fans" need to pull their heads out of their ass and realise its not the end of the world if bioware makes a game they dont like...or doesn't match up to their standards and ALSO stop treating their own opinion as fact

and I dont know....enjoy the game on its own merits as opoased to weather or not is has an inventory systm?

 

[Nfritzappa]

Bioware Montreal will pull it off, no doubt.
Bioware Austin...who knows?

 

[Enslave_All_Elves]

If anyone can do it, it is Bioware. I think Dragon Age 2 was rushed, but I also think they changed the gameplay more than they really had to in an effort to appease console players (pssst they think you're dumb).

I think Mass Effect has become THE game they are probably focusing on. I'm sure they have been doing work on 3 since before 2 wrapped, so don't be so sure it is rushed. They have more done than they are showing I think. Mass Effect 3 will probably kick ass like 2 did. I don't see them dropping the ball.

Now the MMO... I hate MMOs these days. The potential for failure here is much much greater. The scope is huge, the balancing is complex. Of course WoW is like a 700lb. man sitting on your face. Good luck getting rid of that. Being a Star Wars property gives it an audience a little larger perhaps than the gamers who played KotoR. If they can demonstrate quality I think they stand a better chance than a smaller developer.

 

[Chelsea O'shea]

lookin ant the info on TOR its gonna kill,a lot of WoW people bound to leave ol'faithful for TOR cause guess what has the biggest fan base on the planet..star wars

 

[Bat Vader]

I think 2011 will be a good year for Bioware. Dragon Age 2 was met with mixed reviews but I am sure Star Wars: The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3 will both do well.

 

[Canadish]

Depends.
It all rests on The Old Republic. IF the rumors about it's astronomical cost are to be believed.

Mass Effect 3 will sell great, even if it's rubbish. Average Joe gamer wont know that it's the same company that...excreted Dragon Age 2.
Though, the Mass Effect team has talent. I didn't like the direction either Mass Effect 2 or Dragon Age 2 took. The difference is I still loved Mass Effect 2 by the end.
I'm confident it will be great (Bet it wont live up to the hype though, the bar is WAY to high).

TOR...I cant say fairly, not an MMORPG fan, never played one for any length longer then a trail.
It looks just like WOW though, dated graphics, stiff animation, collect 10 Wookie hides.
It's certainly not winning me over. On top of that, the "Force Mage" in Dragon Age 2 felt like a preview to me. If it was? Not impressed.

Now, Guild Wars 2 on the other hand...I might consider.

 

[sivin]

No, you're not.

 

[WouldYouKindly]

Am I the only one who doesn't think that the story in DA2 was terrible? I like that it bucks the standard fantasy story of YOU are the ONLY ONE who can defeat the ULTIMATE EVIL!! Which seems awfully cliched to me. Honestly the only thing that annoys me is the copy-pasted environments and the bugs, but every game is released with bugs these days. Also, I've never been a fan of silent protagonists when all of your companions have so much personality. But enough of that.

Yeah, they can do it. The Star Wars fanboys will be able to make the MMO profitable, and if they bring back my Mako and a bit more customization of equipment(ammo upgrades, not powers), I'll be happy.

Eh, dont forget the Star Trek MMO. That was one massive flop and you would think the fanbase alone would have allowed them to make triple the money they spent on it.

Agreed on Dragon Age II. I got it cheap, and im glad I did. I didnt really pay attention to the hype, any of it. I went into it knowing fully well that it was nothing like Origins, but also thinking maybe it would be decent anyway.

Well, fuck that. I havent played every game in the world but I have honestly never played a triple A title that felt as rushed as that game. The opening was possibly one of the worst openers I have ever seen. And it only went downhill from there. The story feels rushed, it has no real arc, no pacing, nothing. The environments and characters are bland and uninteresting. Even with the high-res texture pack and DX11 and all that stuff, the visual style failed to impress me, it actually put me off. Its one thing for a game to be slightly behind the times and have 2005 graphics. I can deal with that. What I cant deal with is when the whole game world just makes you want too vomit.

I liked ME2, I loved Origins, but if you honestly try to argue that Dragon Age 2 was in anyway a decent game you are fucking bonkers and experiencing a severe form of buyers remorse. Jesus. I still cant wrap my head around how fucking bad that game was. They even fucked up the combat!

/rant

I can't run things at max levels anyway, so I'm used to games looking like shit. Besides, graphics are pretty but tons of people get a lot of enjoyment out of the boxes of Minecraft. The game didn't appeal to you. Let's use other media to demonstrate, I don't like emo music, does that mean no one can honestly like emo music? I wish that were true, but it's probably not. I like punk rock(reason #1 why I hate emo music, damn bastards ripping us off and then pansifying it), does that mean everyone has to like it? No. You have your opinion, I have mine and you don't have to assume there's a psychological reason I refuse to acknowledge what you perceive as a mistake. Oh, and I don't mind being wrong, when there is a definite wrong. In the world of entertainment, there is no definite wrong or right so stop acting like there is. Oh, what does it matter anyway, you're just going to use BS soft science psychology to say my 50$ regret is making me say these things.

Well, there went my good mood for today, and I was so happy(in a kinda superficial way) after the Bruins won today.

 

[Mikeyfell]

thats a pretty..strange quote any Idea where it came from?

"We realized that because we have shooter combat, we inevitably will be compared with the best shooters in the world. So we have to get to that level," Hudson said. "Now, with Mass Effect 3, we're able to complete that evolution with improvements across the board."

My initial reaction to that was "Oh shit, what corners did they cut to improve the combat."
but even if they didn't cut any corners anywhere this shows that they don't even remember that they make RPG's anymore.

anyway I know they wanted to tweak and improve the shooting...oh and ALOT of people liked ME2 so they didnt lose any money there..

Yes A LOT of people liked Mass Effect 2, I'm among them. ME2 has got to be one of the best games I've ever played. The combat is not the hook of that game. The people who only care about the combat would be playing Gears of War. It's hard for me to believe that Bioware wants to compete in a different market.


In the back of my mind I'll never give up the hope that all this talk about Mass Effect being a CoD killer is just a marketing ploy to trick the FPS crowd into buying their game. That way after they make billions of dollars they can say "Gotcha suckers, now we can make a new IP!"

And who knows maybe The Old Republic will overtake WoW and become the new king of MMO town.

But the best part the people who go on a thread asking people what their opinion is about something and say this.

and Im going to be honest and say I think some so called Bioware "fans" need to pull their heads out of their ass and realise its not the end of the world if bioware makes a game they dont like...or doesn't match up to their standards and ALSO stop treating their own opinion as fact

and I dont know....enjoy the game on its own merits as opoased to weather or not is has an inventory systm?

 

[Vault101]

thats a pretty..strange quote any Idea where it came from?

"We realized that because we have shooter combat, we inevitably will be compared with the best shooters in the world. So we have to get to that level," Hudson said. "Now, with Mass Effect 3, we're able to complete that evolution with improvements across the board."

and I dont know....enjoy the game on its own merits as opoased to weather or not is has an inventory systm?

but you took that quote and completley twisted it around, all it really ment was "we are working on improving the combat" not "we want it to be like bullet storm"

Bullet storm is a FIRST person shooter...ME? 3rd person perspective...VERY different things

Mass effect a COD killer? since when? like I said 3rd person FIRST person...VERY different

mabye Bioware isnt so much focusing on the hardcore RPG thing...well what can you do? I mean as long as the GAMES are good (like you even said with ME2) then thats all one can really hope for

anyway Im not saying your not entitled to your opinion...its just somtimes I get the impression that people expect a game to follow an EXACT set of standdards if its from a developer with a reputation and following like Bioware (or the game to be perfect), they try and deviate from that (or put out somthing less thatn perfect) and people act like they have unsulted their god or somthing

and I mean they arnt actually looking at what the game is rather what it ISNT. Im not saying you or anyone else has to love every game Bioware makes but it justs seems like people lack perspective

 

[Bobbity]

Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 are and were developed by two different Bioware studios. What's happened in DA won't negatively effect ME, because it's a different team working on it. I have to say that I'm pretty pumped.

TOR, I'm not sure about though. Admittedly, the project stole all of Bioware's best writers - that's why ME2 wasn't story-wise at quite the same level as its predecessor - and they've put a lot of time and a lot of money into developing it. However, I don't know how well it's all going to come together, or even where the potential crowd is going to come from. It's very difficult to steal an audience from another MMO, and there aren't just that many people left who might potentially pick this game up. Then again, I could be wrong.

Side note:
It's DA3 that I'm really concerned about. Hopefully the studio responsible for that game can put in a much greater effort next time.

 

[Vault101]

Am I the only one who doesn't think that the story in DA2 was terrible? I like that it bucks the standard fantasy story of YOU are the ONLY ONE who can defeat the ULTIMATE EVIL!! Which seems awfully cliched to me. Honestly the only thing that annoys me is the copy-pasted environments and the bugs, but every game is released with bugs these days. Also, I've never been a fan of silent protagonists when all of your companions have so much personality. But enough of that.

Yeah, they can do it. The Star Wars fanboys will be able to make the MMO profitable, and if they bring back my Mako and a bit more customization of equipment(ammo upgrades, not powers), I'll be happy.

I liked ME2, I loved Origins, but if you honestly try to argue that Dragon Age 2 was in anyway a decent game you are fucking bonkers and experiencing a severe form of buyers remorse. Jesus. I still cant wrap my head around how fucking bad that game was. They even fucked up the combat!

/rant

you know the whole "if you disagree with me then your eather deluded or proving me right" thing doesnt exactally do much for your argument, kind of like Moviebobs video on PC gaming

then again its a rant...so yeah

 

[Mikeyfell]

thats a pretty..strange quote any Idea where it came from?

"We realized that because we have shooter combat, we inevitably will be compared with the best shooters in the world. So we have to get to that level," Hudson said. "Now, with Mass Effect 3, we're able to complete that evolution with improvements across the board."

and I dont know....enjoy the game on its own merits as opoased to weather or not is has an inventory systm?

but you took that quote and completley twisted it around, all it really ment was "we are working on improving the combat" not "we want it to be like bullet storm"

Bullet storm is a FIRST person shooter...ME? 3rd person perspective...VERY different things

Mass effect a COD killer? since when? like I said 3rd person FIRST person...VERY different

The Bulletstorm line wasn't part of the Bioware quote it was part to the Escapist paraphrasing from the statement. The quote still demonstrates that they're going for a market change.

And there has been lots of news about "leaked" multyplayer from Mass Effect 3. Each article mentions Call of Duty without fail. I'm hoping that just like the box art scandal with ME2 that it's just a marketing ploy.

mabye Bioware isnt so much focusing on the hardcore RPG thing...well what can you do? I mean as long as the GAMES are good (like you even said with ME2) then thats all one can really hope for

Believe it or not there are a handful of people that think RPG's are good. and lots of those people rely on Bioware for action RPG's. Besides EVERYONE is ripping off Call of Duty now, Bioware is not doing it's self any favors.

anyway Im not saying your not entitled to your opinion...its just somtimes I get the impression that people expect a game to follow an EXACT set of standdards if its from a developer with a reputation and following like Bioware (or the game to be perfect), they try and deviate from that (or put out somthing less thatn perfect) and people act like they have unsulted their god or somthing

I don't see how that's too hard to understand. Bioware makes RPG's, just like PopCap makes addictive mini-games, or Rockstar makes sandbox games or Infinity ward (and everyone else) makes cover based shooters.

I could get a cover based shooter from any developer. There are so few RPG developers that loosing one of the good ones to the CoD plague is infuriating.

and I mean they arnt actually looking at what the game is rather what it ISNT. Im not saying you or anyone else has to love every game Bioware makes but it justs seems like people lack perspective

Everyone's already doing what Bioware wants to turn Mass Effect into.

The problem is that there's nothing in the news about the story, or an upgraded morality system, or how they're going to replace the planet scanning thing.
The way the sex scenes are headed the one in ME 3 is going to involve putting more clothes on.
They haven't mentioned any additions to the party. (Maybe for spoiler reasons).
Nothing they've said about ME3 sounds good.
All they ever talk about is the shooting. The shooting works just fine in Mass Effect 2 leave it alone add other stuff to the game. The shooting could be so perfect that is parts the heavens and brings euphoria to the world. If that's the only thing Mass Effect 3 has in it it will be boring.

 

[Vault101]

thats a pretty..strange quote any Idea where it came from?

"We realized that because we have shooter combat, we inevitably will be compared with the best shooters in the world. So we have to get to that level," Hudson said. "Now, with Mass Effect 3, we're able to complete that evolution with improvements across the board."

and I dont know....enjoy the game on its own merits as opoased to weather or not is has an inventory systm?

but you took that quote and completley twisted it around, all it really ment was "we are working on improving the combat" not "we want it to be like bullet storm"

Bullet storm is a FIRST person shooter...ME? 3rd person perspective...VERY different things

Mass effect a COD killer? since when? like I said 3rd person FIRST person...VERY different

The Bulletstorm line wasn't part of the Bioware quote it was part to the Escapist paraphrasing from the statement. The quote still demonstrates that they're going for a market change.

And there has been lots of news about "leaked" multyplayer from Mass Effect 3. Each article mentions Call of Duty without fail. I'm hoping that just like the box art scandal with ME2 that it's just a marketing ploy.

mabye Bioware isnt so much focusing on the hardcore RPG thing...well what can you do? I mean as long as the GAMES are good (like you even said with ME2) then thats all one can really hope for

Believe it or not there are a handful of people that think RPG's are good. and lots of those people rely on Bioware for action RPG's. Besides EVERYONE is ripping off Call of Duty now, Bioware is not doing it's self any favors.

anyway Im not saying your not entitled to your opinion...its just somtimes I get the impression that people expect a game to follow an EXACT set of standdards if its from a developer with a reputation and following like Bioware (or the game to be perfect), they try and deviate from that (or put out somthing less thatn perfect) and people act like they have unsulted their god or somthing

I don't see how that's too hard to understand. Bioware makes RPG's, just like PopCap makes addictive mini-games, or Rockstar makes sandbox games or Infinity ward (and everyone else) makes cover based shooters.

I could get a cover based shooter from any developer. There are so few RPG developers that loosing one of the good ones to the CoD plague is infuriating.

and I mean they arnt actually looking at what the game is rather what it ISNT. Im not saying you or anyone else has to love every game Bioware makes but it justs seems like people lack perspective

Everyone's already doing what Bioware wants to turn Mass Effect into.

The problem is that there's nothing in the news about the story, or an upgraded morality system, or how they're going to replace the planet scanning thing.
The way the sex scenes are headed the one in ME 3 is going to involve putting more clothes on.
They haven't mentioned any additions to the party. (Maybe for spoiler reasons).
Nothing they've said about ME3 sounds good.
All they ever talk about is the shooting. The shooting works just fine in Mass Effect 2 leave it alone add other stuff to the game. The shooting could be so perfect that is parts the heavens and brings euphoria to the world. If that's the only thing Mass Effect 3 has in it it will be boring.

speculation isnt always a good thing

I think you need to relax and stop freaking out over information that comes out

I mean weather or not anyone agrees with what they are doing...the thing is they KNOW what they are doing

I mean yeah....ME tries be like COD.. thats jsut sounds completley rediculous, makes about as much sense as saying they are going to replace the shooting with tetris

I mean honestly how much are they going to change? you honestly think they will get rid of dialogue or somthing? thats also rediculous

and its not surprsing that they arnt giving to much away in regards to plot details...why would you want to know anything? isnt it just better to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait for the game to come out?

I mean worst case scenario you get a situation like DA2...which Im prett sure WONT happen because DA2 copied ME, and unless they make ME3 an oldschool RPG like DA:O...well you get the idea

bottom line, haters gonna hate, people will specualte some will love the game and some will hate it

I sure am glad I wasnt on the internet in between ME1 and ME2

EDIT: and in regards to ME and COD I couldnt think of two games anymore different

 

[Canadish]

bottom line, haters gonna hate, people will specualte some will love the game and some will hate it

I sure am glad I wasnt on the internet in between ME1 and ME2

EDIT: and in regards to ME and COD I couldnt think of two games anymore different

Actually, it was all pretty positive.
Bioware had a spotless record, everyone trusted the marketing team was telling them everything.
No one even dreamed they'd completely SCRAP the Mako.
Or the Inventory.
Or companion armour.
Or have a weak main story.

Even after, it was only minor grumbles. The game was still great. Still Bioware.
We assumed this was just a one off to draw in a few of the Frat boy Madden-COD only morons. And you know, TOR had their best writers.
After that everything was going to get better...Right? It couldn't get...worse?!

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[OutforEC]

I, and everyone I speak with about games in my RL, are excitedly looking forward to TOR.

I, and everyone I speak with about games in my RL, are excitedly looking forward to ME3.

I, and everyone I speak with about games in my RL, are pretty sure Bioware will do just fine.

 

[WorldCritic]

I think ME3 will do just fine. As for TOR I'm not an MMO player and don't pretend to be so I can't really give a fair judgement on that, but I think even if it can't beat wow, it might become popular among Star Wars and Bioware fans.

 

[Mikeyfell]

I mean weather or not anyone agrees with what they are doing...the thing is they KNOW what they are doing

Are you sure they know what they're doing?
They're ditching their primary audience.
They're trying to enter into another market that has more competition than any other market.
The average member of that market would describe a traditional RPG as "boring".
They picked a multi-million-dollar fight with WoW.
They spread their QA so thin they missed game breaking bugs in DA2.
Their marketing is actively scaring off loyal Bioware customers.
I don't think they have a fucking clue what they're doing.

I mean yeah....ME tries be like COD.. thats jsut sounds completley rediculous, makes about as much sense as saying they are going to replace the shooting with tetris

I mean honestly how much are they going to change? you honestly think they will get rid of dialogue or somthing? thats also rediculous

Mass Effect 2 had about Half the Dialog that was in Mass Effect.
Granted there was a LOT of dialog in Mass Effect. But hearing "I'm in the middle of some calibrations. Could you come back later?" Over and over again was disappointing.
If they can put one conversation per mission that would be great. but If you look at how Dragon Age 2 was, it seems like Bioware is paring down the amount of dialog in their games.

and its not surprsing that they arnt giving to much away in regards to plot details...why would you want to know anything? isnt it just better to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait for the game to come out?

I was giving them the benefit of the doubt up until the "leaked" multyplayer story.
Now with the "Combat perfected" story I want some reassurance. A gameplay trailer? Something?

I mean worst case scenario you get a situation like DA2...which Im prett sure WONT happen because DA2 copied ME, and unless they make ME3 an oldschool RPG like DA:O...well you get the idea

Actually worst case scenario ME3 plays like CoD and I climb a clocktower with a rifle.

EDIT: and in regards to ME and COD I couldnt think of two games anymore different

Neither could I. Bioware seems to disagree.

[sub]Maybe Mass Effect and Plants Vs. Zombies[/sub]

 

[Vault101]

bottom line, haters gonna hate, people will specualte some will love the game and some will hate it

I sure am glad I wasnt on the internet in between ME1 and ME2

EDIT: and in regards to ME and COD I couldnt think of two games anymore different

Actually, it was all pretty positive.
Bioware had a spotless record, everyone trusted the marketing team was telling them everything.
No one even dreamed they'd completely SCRAP the Mako.
Or the Inventory.
Or companion armour.
Or have a weak main story.

Even after, it was only minor grumbles. The game was still great. Still Bioware.
We assumed this was just a one off to draw in a few of the Frat boy Madden-COD only morons. And you know, TOR had their best writers.
After that everything was going to get better
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all Im going to say is I dont think any of those things added much to the game in the first place, plus story wise thats subjective

as for DA2 Ill have to play it for myself

I mean I now get that RPG's are what Bioware do...but I wish people wouldnt get so hung up on genres or anything that deviates from said genre...I meaning hating things isnt fun at all...

 

[Vault101]

well what ever they are doing its up to them...for better or worse

anyway I still dont understand this comparison to COD and FFS it will not play like COD because COD is in FIRST PERSON (I understand the comparison to Gears of war how ever) is it in regards to multiplayer? I thourght mutiplayer just wasnt going to happen?

and if they do have multiplayer (which seems unlikeley)...I dont know mabye the universe will implode or somthing?

3rd person shooters are less common than FPS and even then you cant define the story or art design or mood of the game "soley" on its gameplay/combat

I mean seriously can somone please tell me what the point is in freaking out over "leaked" stuff or any little detail that comes out?

anyway Im not going to worry