Poll: Will you opt out of the Sony Class Action Lawsuit?

[kortin]

I personally blame Geohotz for starting the whole ordeal. At the very root of this breach (At least if the rumors of a branch of anonymous who attempted to hack the psn are true) is Geohotz. He should have just stuck with unlocking Iphones.

No, I won't. Why? Because its retarded. If you are suing sony for not telling you that your personal information was stolen the moment it happened, then I guess it holds some water. If, however, you are doing it because your personal information was stolen, then you really don't understand what happened.

 

[Marowit]

Tricky wording; between the title of the thread and the polling options.

Yes I will opt out, no I won't join the class action suit - them losing money from people not trusting their security is more damaging than any class action suit could ever be.

All a class action suit does, in this instance, is enrich some tort lawyer.

 

[Xarran]

I have no intrest in suing Sony for this. On another note I wonder how long it will take to send out 77 million emails for password change on psn... more than 5 minutes? ;-)

 

[mjc0961]

Will you join the class action lawsuit against Sony? I've gotta look into the requirements to join, but if I can, I'm definitely going to join, it's been quite a pain in the butt canceling my card and swapping over.

The requirements are having a PSN account. Apparently the lawsuit already includes every single PSN owner, which I think is a bit weird because I don't remember saying I wanted to sue Sony over anything just yet, but eh.

They warned their consumers information might have been stolen as soon as they knew.

We only have their word on that, and their word doesn't mean much considering that one, they first claimed they had no idea why PSN was down, and two, it's not like they're going to say "Yeah, we knew about this day one." and make it easy for everyone to sue them.

I'll be waiting for all those inquiries and investigations by all those outside parties to see what they find out about this and when Sony knew VS when they told us. There's no fucking way I'm going to take Sony's word for it. But if the external investigations reveal they were telling the truth, then they've gained a little trust back.

 

[Awexsome]

Where's the lawsuit for sueing Geohotz?

If a gun store just started handing out guns to anyone who wanted one (release the PS3 code) I'd be pissed off at them than the police for not being able to stop the crimes.

 

[Elamdri]

Will you join the class action lawsuit against Sony? I've gotta look into the requirements to join, but if I can, I'm definitely going to join, it's been quite a pain in the butt canceling my card and swapping over.

The requirements are having a PSN account. Apparently the lawsuit already includes every single PSN owner, which I think is a bit weird because I don't remember saying I wanted to sue Sony over anything just yet, but eh.

Yeah, I forgot with class actions you're automatically included unless you opt out, not the other way around. Can't change the poll though, so we'll just go ahead and assume it's a "Do you want to sue Sony or not" poll.

 

[Judgement101]

Wow, I instantly hate everyone who is joing in the lawsuit. Seriously, that's like saying "My credit card was stolen from my wallet so I'm sueing the wallet company."

 

[Elamdri]

Wow, I instantly hate everyone who is joing in the lawsuit. Seriously, that's like saying "My credit card was stolen from my wallet so I'm sueing the wallet company."

Your wallet isn't a custodian with a fiduciary duty either.

 

[Elamdri]

Where's the lawsuit for sueing Geohotz?

If a gun store just started handing out guns to anyone who wanted one (release the PS3 code) I'd be pissed off at them than the police for not being able to stop the crimes.

Geohotz is some broke, 20 year old nobody. Why would you sue him? What money does he have? You can't get blood from a rock.

 

[Judgement101]

Wow, I instantly hate everyone who is joing in the lawsuit. Seriously, that's like saying "My credit card was stolen from my wallet so I'm sueing the wallet company."

Your wallet isn't a custodian with a fiduciary duty either.

....what? I can't tell what you mean by that.

 

[Elamdri]

Wow, I instantly hate everyone who is joing in the lawsuit. Seriously, that's like saying "My credit card was stolen from my wallet so I'm sueing the wallet company."

Your wallet isn't a custodian with a fiduciary duty either.

....what? I can't tell what you mean by that.

When you let a company manage your personal information and your credit card number, it creates a relationship between the person and the company, and the person trusts that company to safeguard that information. If the company fails to do so, it's a breach of trust.

That doesn't happen with your wallet. Your wallet is just a receptacle, it has no duty to safeguard what is placed in it.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Does this apply internationally or just Stateside?

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Any encryption can be broken

No, it really, really can't.

See this number here?

3656158440000000

That's the number of possible combinations to a 10 digit alphanumeric password (each digit being one of 36 possible characters).

Now, say you had a system that could shit out 1000000 combinations per second, it would still take you 3656158440 seconds to generate all those numbers... which is 60935974 minutes... which is a touch under 1015600 hrs... which is just under 42316 days... which is over 115 years, and just to brute force a 10 digit password.

Of course brute forcing is the worst way to do anything and password cracking isn't the same as breaking encryption but cryptography is far more complex and cryptoanalysis (and other tricks) can only reduce the complexity so far before you're reduced to spamming digits.

 

[Elamdri]

Tricky wording; between the title of the thread and the polling options.

Wasn't intentional, I forgot for class actions you're automatically in if you're a member of the class. When I tried to change the poll, it didn't show it as having changed. Since it apparently did, I changed the title and text of the original post to reflect that.

If it makes you feel better, when I changed it from Join In to Opt Out, I changed the No's to Yes's so the poll results should be MOSTLY accurate (I'm sure there are some people who don't want to sue Sony but too lazy to opt out)

 

[artanis_neravar]

I have an idea, why don't people find out who actually stole your personal information and sue them?

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Probably not. I'll log in as soon as it's up, change passwords, and be done with it. The card on file is attached to an account that was eaten by college, and it's empty, I'll just remove the card from it. That account is more or less closed anyway.

 

[Elamdri]

I have an idea, why don't people find out who actually stole your personal information and sue them?

Why would you sue them? Even if you COULD find them, which is probably not going to be easy, they probably have no money. So what's the point of suing them?

 

[Elamdri]

Probably not. I'll log in as soon as it's up, change passwords, and be done with it. The card on file is attached to an account that was eaten by college, and it's empty, I'll just remove the card from it. That account is more or less closed anyway.

You should probably close that card just to be safe.

 

[artanis_neravar]

I have an idea, why don't people find out who actually stole your personal information and sue them?

Why would you sue them? Even if you COULD find them, which is probably not going to be easy, they probably have no money. So what's the point of suing them?

So? it will financially ruin them, and it will get their names and locations out into the world

 

[Elamdri]

I have an idea, why don't people find out who actually stole your personal information and sue them?

Why would you sue them? Even if you COULD find them, which is probably not going to be easy, they probably have no money. So what's the point of suing them?

So? it will financially ruin them, and it will get their names and locations out into the world

Lawsuits are expensive. If you can't get a recovery from someone, it doesn't make sense to sue them. Yeah, so they have a judgement hanging over their heads. They're probably going to go to prison anyway, which means that they won't be making money for a long time.

Seriously, I love it when people are like "Well I'll just sue"

If you can't recover, there is NO point. You can't get blood out of a stone and you can't get money out of a broke individual. Not to mention that there are plenty of ways to protect and hide assets.

Likely, a lawyer wouldn't even TAKE a case versus these guys unless there was some confidence that there would be a payout. Plaintiff's attorneys are paid a contingency fee, which means they only get paid if they win, and if they do win, they take a chunk (usually 30-40%) of the judgement. So 40% of nothing, is nothing. Therefore, why would they take the case?