Poll: Would you join?
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If these are the characters taken straight from the Bible, not from modern beliefs about them, then I'd say Jesus would have to explain A LOT before I helped him. Sure, his later message is great, but when his side of the story has him killing thousands and the ultimate evil killing a family with God's permission...gonna be a tough sell, gotta say.
Does the Devil stand a chance? Because if I get a position of a reaper after we win then maybe I'd side with the Devil. Thing is, you can't trust shit the devil tells you I am guessing, so whatever he offers it could all be a lie for all I know. Then again, I wouldn't really trust God either. I dunno, I if they both asked me for help I'd rather just stay out of it and not take sides. But I guess I'd go to hell for that when I die soooooo. Ehm, I am fucked basicly.
The devil. If god is good and isn't a hypocrite he can't kill me (thou shall not kill). Seeing as how he already flooded the earth and killed everyone, I still wouldn't want to follow a bastard who's all powerful but can't practice what he preaches. I'd rather side with a demon who admits his desires and doesn't hide behind the face of good. Besides when gods want to wage a war it's usually to wipe out the earth and start over to fix their mistakes. The world may not be perfect but I'd rather live with the way it is than die. Of course if the devil wants to kill everyone I will remain neutral, but in a lot of fantasy books the demons don't always kill people that just want them to sin and join their side.
If I could join an army of angels/demons/humans that are against both sides then that is what I would choose.
Otherwise, make your poll more open, not everybody belongs to a mutation of Roman Catholicism.
Otherwise, make your poll more open, not everybody belongs to a mutation of Roman Catholicism.
Wait, so one guy can kill everyone on earth without a second thought and you side with the guy that can't do that? Where is the logic there?Drummie666 said:
Seriously, the biblical God may be a prick and the greatest mass murderer of all time, but I'd rather be on his side than against him in a fight.
I'd pick the "Screw Destiny, I'll make my OWN army" option that will basically wait out the whole of the apocalypse for one side to destroy the other and then defeat the remaining side while they're weakened.
Now i know what you're thinking: What kind of army could possibly be able to go up against god and Satan? Simple, just gather together all the pagan gods (Artemis, Zeus, Odin, Anubis, Mars etc), among other gods/Demi-gods outside of the christian mythology, and duke it out in one final epic showdown for the fate of the world...
Now i know what you're thinking: What kind of army could possibly be able to go up against god and Satan? Simple, just gather together all the pagan gods (Artemis, Zeus, Odin, Anubis, Mars etc), among other gods/Demi-gods outside of the christian mythology, and duke it out in one final epic showdown for the fate of the world...
Revelations 19:11 "I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. "
Jesus is on a Horse.
So..yeah, I'm sidin with the God your god could smell like
Jesus is on a Horse.
So..yeah, I'm sidin with the God your god could smell like
Once again, the issue most atheists have with Jesus isn't that he wasn't a ridiculously cool dude. Just about none of the more questionable parts of the Bible (most of the "you have to kill people if they do x" pronouncements for instance) are actually from Jesus.
The issue most atheists have with Jesus is that there's no real evidence that he had special powers or divine guidance beyond a really, really old book that's been hopelessly edited and translated and purposefully changed over and over. If Jesus descended from on high and was like "Dude: war in heaven guys. It's on like Donkey Kong." and pulled out a flaming sword or something, being an atheist would be pretty ridiculous.
And once you aren't an atheist, why would you side with the embodiment of evil? Why not side with the guy who was already pretty cool when you thought he was normal and is now pretty cool with actual supernatural power? Further, once you have confirmation for some of the more incredibly unlikely things from Christianity, it's irrational not to assume that some or most of the rest of it is true also (to be explicit: I do not want to get into an argument over whether you can philosophically justify this as truly rational), which would lead you pretty inevitably to believe that fighting against God would be an incredibly foolish thing to try.
The issue most atheists have with Jesus is that there's no real evidence that he had special powers or divine guidance beyond a really, really old book that's been hopelessly edited and translated and purposefully changed over and over. If Jesus descended from on high and was like "Dude: war in heaven guys. It's on like Donkey Kong." and pulled out a flaming sword or something, being an atheist would be pretty ridiculous.
And once you aren't an atheist, why would you side with the embodiment of evil? Why not side with the guy who was already pretty cool when you thought he was normal and is now pretty cool with actual supernatural power? Further, once you have confirmation for some of the more incredibly unlikely things from Christianity, it's irrational not to assume that some or most of the rest of it is true also (to be explicit: I do not want to get into an argument over whether you can philosophically justify this as truly rational), which would lead you pretty inevitably to believe that fighting against God would be an incredibly foolish thing to try.
Wow. This is just like the last election I voted in - a choice between two sides I don't believe in. :/
I abstain and chill in Purgatory/Limbo/Whatever with all the other people who don't care.
I abstain and chill in Purgatory/Limbo/Whatever with all the other people who don't care.
My statement matches yours almost perfectly, though I think the joy in fighting the Everything (a title I just made up, just now) is the futility.AccursedTheory said:
Why fight on the pretty-damnded-sure-to-win side? There's no chance you could lose, just one you could die before the boss gets his ass in gear.
Besides, in a modern sense, putting satan versus god on a purely moral standpoint, the devil is likely to win more popularity contests.
-freedom of thought/expression
-freedom to have sex whenever, however and with whoever you please
Disclaimer: I'm not really aware of which exact passages to cite reference from. I'm also not aware of where it said that senseless murder was deliberately provoked by satan or a demon specifically. Thus, I am probably very wrong. Please correct my mistakes.
Were society to use its own morals to judge right from wrong, we'd be practically the same as we are now, though perhaps a little more depraved (then again, maybe not).
Then there's the wrath bit. God's a bit of a prick when it comes to unnecessary killing.
I do belve that when you don't join either side you get doomed to wonder the domain of Earth for all eternity. That wouldn't be that bad except that its after the Apocalypse and there isn't anything left alive on the earth. It just be a big wasteland.... might be fun.Kevonovitch said:
I'd side with Jesus. Why? I'm neutral good and proud of it.
Thats actually a better question than it seems at first. For one, if Satan is real, so is God...and if thats true, in the Christian sense, I am probably going to hell anyways. So, do I jojn God and hope that absolves me of what He find immoral (though I disagree), or do I side with Satan, reasoning God will send me to hell regardless, so I hope to get in his good graces for when Im down there. Its really for me, more of who's ass would kissing best help me.
I am going to go with Lucifer on this one. Sure he could be evil, but at least he is consistent. You go in knowing what to expect. Yahweh? Who knows what he is thinking. One day he could love everyone and unicorns are everywhere, the next day there could be water where your country used to be. No reason that he is willing to give. I also have my own various reasons that probably belong off the boards and in a PM.
Besides, why did the uprising happen if Yahweh's mere thought could have ended it and/or caused it to never happen in the first place.
Side with Yahweh has two outcomes:
You win: yay!
You lose: shit, now you are in bad with the guy who is torturing you.
Side with Lucifer has two outcomes:
You win: you win heaven!
you lose: you cease to exist.
Also, According to the Bible Hell is supposed to be bad for everyone involved.
I guess I am insane!! >AccursedTheory said:
Besides, why did the uprising happen if Yahweh's mere thought could have ended it and/or caused it to never happen in the first place.
I too have thought about this. I boiled it down to a sort of Pascal's wagermaster m99 said:
Side with Yahweh has two outcomes:
You win: yay!
You lose: shit, now you are in bad with the guy who is torturing you.
Side with Lucifer has two outcomes:
You win: you win heaven!
you lose: you cease to exist.
Also, According to the Bible Hell is supposed to be bad for everyone involved.
