Is it wrong that I would do it just to see how poorly it effects history?Leemaster777 said:As the title suggests, this is a hypothetical situation here.
Lets say you were offered the chance to time travel, only once, and only to the beginning of World War 2, to kill Hitler. After the job was done, you would snap back to your own time, although it would be altered due to your actions. Would you take this opportunity? (and before anyone tries to get cute, if you refuse to kill Hitler when you time travel, you automatically go back to your own time, and receive a kick to the balls for wasting everyone's time)
Remember, time travel is a VERY complicated business. Killing Hitler would have DRASTIC effects on the future, in ways you couldn't possibly know.
Perhaps without Hitler, another tyrant would assume power, and do things even WORSE than Hitler. Maybe taking Hitler out would completely avert the war. Maybe without Hitler... you do not exist. Do you take the chance to save countless lives, without knowing the potential consequences?
I have to say, unless you use caps like you just did, there is no way to know if your being sarcastic or not. . .BarbaricGoose said:Yeah. I was being COMPLETELY serious when I said that. COMPLETELY not joking at all. I definitely wasn't being sarcastic at all. COMPLETELY meant what I said. Again, not trying to be funny. You're totally a racist, and I'm not joking. That was not sarcasm at all.mattttherman3 said:You don't know what effect killing hitler would have on the present my fellow escapian. And not wanting to commit murder makes me part of the Aryan Brotherhood? Thats some nice logic.BarbaricGoose said:It's good to see that the Aryan Brotherhood has such a strong presence on The Escapist.
Or you know, something like them.
I'm very glad that you understood how not-sarcastic I was being. My joke definitely didn't go over your head.
Ahahaha that's awesome! After reading that then no I wouldn't either.Xhu said:No, for reasons well-described here [http://www.abyssandapex.com/200710-wikihistory.html].
But then the Americans would win it back!Stukov961 said:No, Red Alert showed what happened when Einstein removed Hitler.
Stalin would conquer Europe!
There is. I believe it is called 'rational logic.' No one on the Escapist is serious about ridiculous claims, unless they are bashing Fox News...mattttherman3 said:I have to say, unless you use caps like you just did, there is no way to know if your being sarcastic or not. . .BarbaricGoose said:Yeah. I was being COMPLETELY serious when I said that. COMPLETELY not joking at all. I definitely wasn't being sarcastic at all. COMPLETELY meant what I said. Again, not trying to be funny. You're totally a racist, and I'm not joking. That was not sarcasm at all.mattttherman3 said:You don't know what effect killing hitler would have on the present my fellow escapian. And not wanting to commit murder makes me part of the Aryan Brotherhood? Thats some nice logic.BarbaricGoose said:It's good to see that the Aryan Brotherhood has such a strong presence on The Escapist.
Or you know, something like them.
I'm very glad that you understood how not-sarcastic I was being. My joke definitely didn't go over your head.
If someone comes off as completely and overtly moronic, maybe consider that it's sarcasm.mattttherman3 said:I have to say, unless you use caps like you just did, there is no way to know if your being sarcastic or not. . .BarbaricGoose said:Yeah. I was being COMPLETELY serious when I said that. COMPLETELY not joking at all. I definitely wasn't being sarcastic at all. COMPLETELY meant what I said. Again, not trying to be funny. You're totally a racist, and I'm not joking. That was not sarcasm at all.mattttherman3 said:You don't know what effect killing hitler would have on the present my fellow escapian. And not wanting to commit murder makes me part of the Aryan Brotherhood? Thats some nice logic.BarbaricGoose said:It's good to see that the Aryan Brotherhood has such a strong presence on The Escapist.
Or you know, something like them.
I'm very glad that you understood how not-sarcastic I was being. My joke definitely didn't go over your head.
Yeah it would be pretty chaotic.New York Patrick said:But then the Americans would win it back!Stukov961 said:No, Red Alert showed what happened when Einstein removed Hitler.
Stalin would conquer Europe!
But then Yuri would take over the world using the Russians as a proxy!
But then the Americans would go back in time to fight Yuri!
But the Russians would steal their time machine and go back and fight Yuri!
But then they would try to fix everything and accidentally make Japan a major superpower!
But it was all a metaplot by Kane to make sure that Nod would not be defeated in the Tiberian Wars by using the amount of paradoxes to sheild the worlds from the Tiberium Meteor Shower event, instead developing the cleaner, safer Chrono-Chrystaline powersorce!
Also this.Pips said:I wouldn't do it. Believe it or not, Hitler was not the worst person who could have assumed power. Under his leadership, the Nazis were terribly disorganised, and spent a great deal of their energy on in-fighting. If Hitler was dead/had never been born, the power vacuum would be filled by someone else, and they would possibly be even worse than he was. (A level history FTW!)
Disorganized? There formations gave Poland and France no chance at all. If anything the USSR were disorganized. "We will bury them in our dead."Pips said:I wouldn't do it. Believe it or not, Hitler was not the worst person who could have assumed power. Under his leadership, the Nazis were terribly disorganised, and spent a great deal of their energy on in-fighting. If Hitler was dead/had never been born, the power vacuum would be filled by someone else, and they would possibly be even worse than he was. (A level history FTW!)
FixedPlurralbles said:No. A communist germany would also be terrible.
The US had a bunch of commies show up in the Great depress and it could have turned the nation into a communist state all the same. Heck, the war actually did destroy America's soul a little, for examplee Japanese internment... Of course, the nation never really had a soul, with slavery lasting, I think, a thirty years or more years longer than Europe and requiring a war to get rid of it.
emeraldrafael said:Blatherscythe said:Ah Russia, an excellent point to prove Hitler's shit strategy and preparation. Hitler wanted to press into Russia when it would soon be winter. His generals told him it was too late to enter Russia and to wait for next year, he ignored them. He sent in his troops with summer attire believing it would make them want to work harder to get home to avoid Russian winter. He made the biggest fucking mistake in the entire fucking war, Napoleon made the same god-damn mistake he did and to make matters worse he dragged Russia into was against him.
Cant Deny that. Hitler got too greedy, but really, when is it ever a good time to invade Russia? Besides, no one was touting him as a Military genius. Just a really passionate speech. But the fact remains, if Russia wasnt involved, Germany could have held out. Russia wanted nothing to do with America or the British, and Japan just needed to not screw with the border of China/Russia, since Hitler pretty much begged them not to draw in America.
Yeah, I'll admit that he was a good politition (oxymoron there) and gave one hell of a speech. He could work a crowd and I bet if I can take out the rambling bullshit about Jews, communists and his perfect race crap then I would probably get some insight in how to be a decent public speaker. Also, fun fact, Hitler decided when the war was going sour for Germany that they burn everything in Germany because, in his mind, the German people had failed him, not the other way around. Good politition (just doesn't fucking feel right to say that without a no in front of it), racist asswipe and Austrias number one crazy, arrogent bastard.Blatherscythe said:That was the problem with the fucking Axis forces, they took on too many foes at one time, Russia was piss scared of Hitler and wanted to avoid contact and America had no love for Britan and only got involved when Japan bombed pearl harbour.
Actually, America covertly supported the British and allies in both World Wars, cause that was a major ally and trading partner. They sent everything just short of soldiers (including guns and munitions) to help the British and in larger scope, the Allies. And FDR was pretty much begging for an excuse to get in there and break America's foreign policies, but he couldnt just come out and say it and risk his re-election.
Well, Hitler won that war in the end, now didnt he? Look, say what you will about the guy, but he was GENIUS politician. In fact, if you studied him and his book Mein Kampf, you could have a rather successful and aspiring career in politics. Besides, the Prime Minister must have liked something in him, since he put him pretty high on the totem pole of politics under him. If you stopped that, you probably would have never had WW2. Its like Japan, Germany was under so much debt/international control/sanctioned that it either had to go to war and risk its economy going through a collapse. Say what you will, but Hitler saved Germany.Blatherscythe said:Hitler sucked massive balls when it came to foresight with his plans, want another example? He stormed into a room and shot a pistol shot into the roof and declared his party was taking over the German Government, he claimed he had the support of the police (a fucking lie) as well as his own party, the Prime Minister was there and he decided to pretend to bow to Hitlers will and as soon as the police showed up had him and the party leader arrested for treason.
... He just fucked it up again before he was done.