Dude, my family is from Germany and I have blonde hair and blue eyes and even I, someone who wouldn't be so terribly screwed by Hitlers Regime, think Hitler can rot in hell for the fucked up atrocities he commited and allowed to be commited. Granted what you saying is sarcasm but still, fuck Chris, everybody hates Hitler.BarbaricGoose said:
Poll: Would you time-travel and kill Hitler?
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It's tempting. That's a lot of innocent lives lost, directly relatable to one man. But it's a very real question whether killing Hitler would have made things better. If World War II had progressed anyway, under the leadership of someone who was a more competent military leader and less of a wild-eyed, all-over-the-place fanatic, we might be looking at a very different Europe today. Or if Germany had put off the war for five years and as a result developed atomic weaponry before the United States. Or if the powderkeg of post-WWI resentment had exploded in some completely different way.
No, I don't think I'd kill Hitler if I had to snap back in time to see the results of my ill-considered actions. But if I could stay in that time period and get away clean to see and perhaps influence the results, I might consider it.
No, I don't think I'd kill Hitler if I had to snap back in time to see the results of my ill-considered actions. But if I could stay in that time period and get away clean to see and perhaps influence the results, I might consider it.
Man, you never know these days, I've met some pretty crazy people in my time, I have met a few on here as well. Sorry I guessBarbaricGoose said:
No. Because of two reasons. One, the effect on the timeline would be completely unpredictable and killing him may actually do more harm than good. Two, it creates a paradox, because if I go back and kill Hitler then I exist in a timeline where Hitler is dead, so I have no reason to go back and kill him, so I don't do so, so Hitler survives, so I go back and kill him... you see the pattern here?
Messing around with time is bad, m'kay?
Messing around with time is bad, m'kay?
I don't mess with timelines as a general principle. You never know what will happen when you do, and something as important as that will affect the future tremendously. I would kill someone similar in the present before the whole thing got started, but I don't want to mess with the past. And if it "already happened" (as in no matter how hard I try, my actions in the past will cause the same thing) then there is no point in trying.
I think someone else might have said this, but doing so could have horrible ramififications for the world as we know it... We might even trigger Godwins Law of Time Travel [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitleo3hnku5u?from=Main.GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel]...
Killing Hitler would have probably diverted the holocaust. No other military leader would be stupid enough to divert so many troops and resources just to commit genocide. Wait... never mind.
EDIT: there is actually a very good argument available that operation Valkyrie was a success. So maybe he was killed...
EDIT: there is actually a very good argument available that operation Valkyrie was a success. So maybe he was killed...
The genocide committed by Hitler was neither the worst nor the most recent genocide in mankind's history.
Besides, I think the world was "ready" for national socialism at that time; even if Hitler was killed, someone else would have done it. Maybe not even a German, I guess the Italians and possibly even Britons could have done something similar.
Hitler wasn't the cause of the movement. It wasn't like everybody was peaceful and happy and then Hitler came and turned everyone into murderous bastards. Entire Europe was tense and desperate; people had no money, no jobs, no food. And people like to blame others for their own misfortune. Hitler just used the situation and gained popularity by giving food, etc.
Moreover, there's a ton of ways how the world could screw up after a sudden death of Hitler. We can't imagine all possible ramifications.
Therefore, no. I wouldn't kill Hitler.
Besides, I think the world was "ready" for national socialism at that time; even if Hitler was killed, someone else would have done it. Maybe not even a German, I guess the Italians and possibly even Britons could have done something similar.
Hitler wasn't the cause of the movement. It wasn't like everybody was peaceful and happy and then Hitler came and turned everyone into murderous bastards. Entire Europe was tense and desperate; people had no money, no jobs, no food. And people like to blame others for their own misfortune. Hitler just used the situation and gained popularity by giving food, etc.
Moreover, there's a ton of ways how the world could screw up after a sudden death of Hitler. We can't imagine all possible ramifications.
Therefore, no. I wouldn't kill Hitler.
No, I'd go back in time, kick Hitler in the balls and run away, kick Himmler in the balls and run away, kick Stalin in the balls and run away, steal some guy's grenade, knife or gas mask, and go back forward in time.
Thus, I'd have forced my foot upon the testicles of the wicked, removed all possibilities for future disorientation, and returned with a badass souvenir.
Thus, I'd have forced my foot upon the testicles of the wicked, removed all possibilities for future disorientation, and returned with a badass souvenir.
No, I played Singularity and watched all the Back to the Futures. I know what happens when you mess with the Timeline.
No, because as horrible as Hitler was, it was better him than someone who actually knew what he was doing. Hitler's personal intervention in many key battles led to allied victory.
Also, this [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitleo3hnku5u?from=Main.GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel] and this [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitlekz83hawz?from=Main.HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct] might come into effect.
Also, this [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitleo3hnku5u?from=Main.GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel] and this [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitlekz83hawz?from=Main.HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct] might come into effect.
No, I wouldn't. And I'll explain why. Paradoxes and unpredictable alterations in history aside, there are good reasons not to kill Hitler.
For one, when the U.S. finally decided to get involved in World War II, it gave us an end to The Great Depression. Furthermore, with all the bad press that we've gotten about our hands in other wars, World War II was our Big Damn Heroes moment and it'd be kind of dumb for me to diminish that.
The OTHER good reason is that Hitler had crazy-good security fueled by his paranoia. People had TRIED to kill him and failed. Do you want to go down in history as just another one of the failed assassination attempts? I wouldn't. There's nothing you can take back there that will guarantee that an army of soldiers won't cut you down.
And before the OP decides to get cute with me, I'll be wearing a cup and steel-toed shoes to counter any attempt to kick me in the balls.
For one, when the U.S. finally decided to get involved in World War II, it gave us an end to The Great Depression. Furthermore, with all the bad press that we've gotten about our hands in other wars, World War II was our Big Damn Heroes moment and it'd be kind of dumb for me to diminish that.
The OTHER good reason is that Hitler had crazy-good security fueled by his paranoia. People had TRIED to kill him and failed. Do you want to go down in history as just another one of the failed assassination attempts? I wouldn't. There's nothing you can take back there that will guarantee that an army of soldiers won't cut you down.
And before the OP decides to get cute with me, I'll be wearing a cup and steel-toed shoes to counter any attempt to kick me in the balls.
I'd say no, I wouldn't have since Hitler could have been dead 2 years after the war ended 1946 according to a documentary I saw on history channel about 1-2 years ago about Hitlers medical record.
Anyone who have red history about the last days of the Reich have notice one thing from what the eye witnesses testimony, he was a wreck when he was in the bunker and not just because that the war (which actually his generals predicted that he was fighting a losing war in december 1941) but his illness was getting worst.
According to his inner circle only a very few people knew about his Parkinson disease and according to the journals he had changed personal doctors more then 10 times.
He then tried a relatively new medical treatment that some doctors where experimenting with to treat it, medicines developed from plats from the amazon that where newly discovered.
One of the medicines his personal doctor forced him to became a vegetarian so the medicine would have better effects, half of the things he used was classed by todays standards as close to poison and the harmed his body and made his disease even worst.
Plus if Hitler didn't united the major countries against him one can only ponder if Stalinism could have led to another conflict instead
Anyone who have red history about the last days of the Reich have notice one thing from what the eye witnesses testimony, he was a wreck when he was in the bunker and not just because that the war (which actually his generals predicted that he was fighting a losing war in december 1941) but his illness was getting worst.
According to his inner circle only a very few people knew about his Parkinson disease and according to the journals he had changed personal doctors more then 10 times.
He then tried a relatively new medical treatment that some doctors where experimenting with to treat it, medicines developed from plats from the amazon that where newly discovered.
One of the medicines his personal doctor forced him to became a vegetarian so the medicine would have better effects, half of the things he used was classed by todays standards as close to poison and the harmed his body and made his disease even worst.
Plus if Hitler didn't united the major countries against him one can only ponder if Stalinism could have led to another conflict instead
