Poll: Would you watch gladiatorial combat?
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You know I wondered about that recently and yeah I would definitely go and enjoy myself thoroughly
Though they have to be free and there can't be any animals harmed because that will be barbaric
Though they have to be free and there can't be any animals harmed because that will be barbaric
I have no problems with bloodsports as long the contestants participated willingly. I see no reason to abhor the death of someone who willingly enters a fight to the death for wealth and glory, since they understood the risks before hand.
When the hell did I become a citizen of Italy? I must be dreaming. Onto the fights!Xan Krieger said:
Ok in all seriousness: Yeah I'd watch. I could say I'm taking a moral stand blah blah blah but I'm not going to let my moral outrage stop me from seeing it once. I mean it's already going to happen with or without me, might as well come and watch (yes I know you can make the same argument for ...other things, just shut up and let me have this).
That's what WWE is for, and other organizations if you can watch. Controlled Chaos, and controlled violence. That sums up gladitorial days aside from some executions.
I don't see anyone volunteering to fight to the death, or fight wild animals any time soon, not even criminals unless they get some sweet deal, so the stuntman style of fighting will have to do.
I don't see anyone volunteering to fight to the death, or fight wild animals any time soon, not even criminals unless they get some sweet deal, so the stuntman style of fighting will have to do.
Why do people keep saying WWE is the modern gladiator combat? The two are nothing alike outside of the veneer of violence that WWE maintains. UFC is closer to gladiator combat; hell, even boxing is closer than WWE.Rebel_Raven said:
Probably because it's more recognizable, more accessible, and at least we know it's rigged, and can be comfortable with it.FirstNameLastName said:
I kinda respect it more because week after week those brave performers risk real injury to entertain us with physical confrontation. UFC, and Boxers tend to only fight what, once every 6 months? Plots get resolved at a decent pace. When are we going to see the Mayweather/Paquiao rematch? Next year? Wrestling will have the rematch sooner than that, and will entertain until then.
Love him, or hate him, Cena's out there fighting every week or every other week (like a lot of other wrestlers). Hell sometimes twice, or 3 times a week if there's a PPV. Cena may not be fighting as "real" as UFC fighters, or Boxers, but if you wanna pretend there's no chance they'll get hurt,
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Gladiatorial combat back in the day was basically wrestling with more pointy stuff. People didn't die as regularly as you'd think, christians weren't fed to lions, and popular gladiators were frikking rockstars.
Professional Wresling/Sports entertainment just got smart and realized the human body can't take Mick Foley levels of punishment week in, week out, so they just make it look like it hurts more than it does, and they stopped using weapons so often.
I'm aware that there are injuries in WWE, and that even though it's all fantasy it is still physically demanding, but the point is it is not a real competition. It's more like a violent play than an actual fight.Rebel_Raven said:Probably because it's more recognizable, more accessible, and at least we know it's rigged, and can be comfortable with it.FirstNameLastName said:
I kinda respect it more because week after week those brave performers risk real injury to entertain us with physical confrontation. UFC, and Boxers tend to only fight what, once every 6 months? Plots get resolved at a decent pace. When are we going to see the Mayweather/Paquiao rematch? Next year? Wrestling will have the rematch sooner than that, and will entertain until then.
Love him, or hate him, Cena's out there fighting every week or every other week (like a lot of other wrestlers). Hell sometimes twice, or 3 times a week if there's a PPV. Cena may not be fighting as "real" as UFC fighters, or Boxers, but if you wanna pretend there's no chance they'll get hurt,
Nevermind numerous other injuries like HHH's torn Quad, Cena's screwed up elbow, and numerous lives claimed in the business.<youtube=UOSYcM4AJ8k>
Gladiatorial combat back in the day was basically wrestling with more pointy stuff. People didn't die as regularly as you'd think, christians weren't fed to lions, and popular gladiators were frikking rockstars.
Professional Wresling/Sports entertainment just got smart and realized the human body can't take Mick Foley levels of punishment week in, week out, so they just make it look like it hurts more than it does, and they stopped using weapons so often.
Gladiator fights were very much a competition, not just a show. It's kind of like saying The Mighty Ducks is the same as an actual hockey game.
Don't worry Xan, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Apple goes all Liandri on our asses and you'll get your chance to fight in a tournament of unreal proportions.
And no, I wouldn't want death matches. MMA style fight till they drop or surrender? Maybe. But I have absolutely no urge to watch people die.
And no, I wouldn't want death matches. MMA style fight till they drop or surrender? Maybe. But I have absolutely no urge to watch people die.
Me as I am now? Hell no. Never got the appeal of violence beyond wrestling without the intent of hurting someone.
While I can't say for sure, I don't think I would if I were raised in a society where it was normal either. I was never one of the people who went outside to watch the people fight in school. And I am not the kind of person who'd get a kick of people knocking each other's teeth out outside bars either. Those are probably the closest modern equivalents I can think of that get large audiences
While I can't say for sure, I don't think I would if I were raised in a society where it was normal either. I was never one of the people who went outside to watch the people fight in school. And I am not the kind of person who'd get a kick of people knocking each other's teeth out outside bars either. Those are probably the closest modern equivalents I can think of that get large audiences
Like I said, WWE, and other similar promotions wised up and realized that people killing eachother daily, or even going through MMA/Boxing levels of punishment week after week would quickly kill their talent, and they'd run out of talent by death, injury, and lack of people willing to get dead, or injured.FirstNameLastName said:I'm aware that there are injuries in WWE, and that even though it's all fantasy it is still physically demanding, but the point is it is not a real competition. It's more like a violent play than an actual fight.Rebel_Raven said:Probably because it's more recognizable, more accessible, and at least we know it's rigged, and can be comfortable with it.FirstNameLastName said:
I kinda respect it more because week after week those brave performers risk real injury to entertain us with physical confrontation. UFC, and Boxers tend to only fight what, once every 6 months? Plots get resolved at a decent pace. When are we going to see the Mayweather/Paquiao rematch? Next year? Wrestling will have the rematch sooner than that, and will entertain until then.
Love him, or hate him, Cena's out there fighting every week or every other week (like a lot of other wrestlers). Hell sometimes twice, or 3 times a week if there's a PPV. Cena may not be fighting as "real" as UFC fighters, or Boxers, but if you wanna pretend there's no chance they'll get hurt,
Nevermind numerous other injuries like HHH's torn Quad, Cena's screwed up elbow, and numerous lives claimed in the business.<youtube=UOSYcM4AJ8k>
Gladiatorial combat back in the day was basically wrestling with more pointy stuff. People didn't die as regularly as you'd think, christians weren't fed to lions, and popular gladiators were frikking rockstars.
Professional Wresling/Sports entertainment just got smart and realized the human body can't take Mick Foley levels of punishment week in, week out, so they just make it look like it hurts more than it does, and they stopped using weapons so often.
Gladiator fights were very much a competition, not just a show. It's kind of like saying The Mighty Ducks is the same as an actual hockey game.
You think Gladiators didn't pull similar stuff? I doubt there was any more people willingly entering gladiator combat back then than there would be now, and the people running the shows would probably have come to their senses and realized that if someone died every match, there'd be less people willing to participate. It's bad for business having people too scared to make you money.
I'd imagine they put on shows similar to WWE with their main gladiators. if people died, they're probably criminals and stuff meant to be killed anyhow.
Fuck no. Absolutely fuck no.
It?s kind of funny, considering that I?m the kind of guy that idolizes masculinity. Still, I?m not interested in watching people stab, mutilate, and murder each other. Really, I wouldn?t be able to watch those people cutting each other up, and I?m honestly surprised at all of those ?Yes? votes. I can watch fights fine, but watching people die for real isn?t my thing. Death, in my eyes, is a bad thing, and isn?t anything I can be entertained by.
However, movie and video game deaths are entertaining to me because it?s all fantasy; no one actually died. I know myself; I would get sad if someone dies in real life. Whether they died for entertainment, or died being a hero by saving someone from a fire, I would still feel bad if someone dies. However, when it comes to movies and video games, no one actually dies, so it?s not depressing at all. I can be entertained by that knowing that none of it is real.
It?s kind of funny, considering that I?m the kind of guy that idolizes masculinity. Still, I?m not interested in watching people stab, mutilate, and murder each other. Really, I wouldn?t be able to watch those people cutting each other up, and I?m honestly surprised at all of those ?Yes? votes. I can watch fights fine, but watching people die for real isn?t my thing. Death, in my eyes, is a bad thing, and isn?t anything I can be entertained by.
However, movie and video game deaths are entertaining to me because it?s all fantasy; no one actually died. I know myself; I would get sad if someone dies in real life. Whether they died for entertainment, or died being a hero by saving someone from a fire, I would still feel bad if someone dies. However, when it comes to movies and video games, no one actually dies, so it?s not depressing at all. I can be entertained by that knowing that none of it is real.
Fair enough. My knowledge of pro-wrestling is zero, but the guys you tend to see if you're not a fan tend to have a very defined look.LetalisK said:
The irony is that bodybuilders and male models, who look very muscular, have generally acquired that muscle definition by eating a very low-calorie diet (relative to the ammount of excercise they do) and actually being on the verge of starvation (or from steroid use). In our culture, a "shredded" physique tends to visually signify strength, but in practice people with that physique just aren't very strong.
To actually be really strong, you need to just eat a fuckton of calories all the time, which means you put on weight.
Hmmm...one could argue that a lot of people seem to view the news as this. Our side shooting the hell out of a caricature of some scary enemy. Woo! Cue Skyhooks.
Sometimes it was, sometimes it was not. Cheaper not to kill people off, but by the same token, when you are a rich Roman wanting to show off your wealth, you might well get lots of people killed.Politrukk said: