Poll: XBOX ONE DRM BACK!
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I love the random poll, even though the original post says absolutely nothing about the PS4.
Right now, I can grab my copy of Godhand, go to my friend's house, and play it on his PS2 for as long as I fucking want, with or without Sony's permission.
That isn't a nice feature.
It's a stopgap measure to work around an inconvenience they engineered.
Microsoft was incapable of getting their story straight. People were listening, but it's hard to take someone seriously when they keep contradicting themselves.
Or is it "Reasons for actions are STUPID!"
Makes perfect sense...so long as you don't think about it or invoke logic.
CONCLUSION: Obvious intention is obvious, and that intention isn't remotely objective.
Your argument, if you even had one, fails.
For one hour and no more. Unless he's been on your friend's list for more than 30 days.HydroFire said:
Right now, I can grab my copy of Godhand, go to my friend's house, and play it on his PS2 for as long as I fucking want, with or without Sony's permission.
That isn't a nice feature.
It's a stopgap measure to work around an inconvenience they engineered.
What's an "@zz holes"? Is that like an asshole?
Microsoft was incapable of getting their story straight. People were listening, but it's hard to take someone seriously when they keep contradicting themselves.
How? Why?
Or is it "Reasons for actions are STUPID!"
Non-sequitur.
Microsoft changes story, backpedals, or flat out ignores perfectly logical questions, and you say that being untrustworthy is just an excuse?
Makes perfect sense...so long as you don't think about it or invoke logic.
CONCLUSION: Obvious intention is obvious, and that intention isn't remotely objective.
Your argument, if you even had one, fails.
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Guy creates thread to defend Xbonehead > Escapist Community jumps him and steals his lunch money.
But seriously, all the XBone decisions were bad ones and the fact they turned around and removed them didn't even matter it was too late PS4/Sony had already given everyone free cookies. All it did was show Microsoft had no fucking clue what it's audience wanted or what they are doing any more. They are to busy pleasing executives and other cooperate demands to try and suck every penny out of the customers pocket to build a smart decent product.
Guy creates thread to defend Xbonehead > Escapist Community jumps him and steals his lunch money.
But seriously, all the XBone decisions were bad ones and the fact they turned around and removed them didn't even matter it was too late PS4/Sony had already given everyone free cookies. All it did was show Microsoft had no fucking clue what it's audience wanted or what they are doing any more. They are to busy pleasing executives and other cooperate demands to try and suck every penny out of the customers pocket to build a smart decent product.
To be honest I do understand that there are people that wanted that DRM back for those special features, in a way its very close to Steam although there is one HUGE flaw and that is the fact that this is a console. You buy a PC game and whatever new PC you have in 10 years will probably still run it while on consoles when you buy the next console you loose the ability to play those games.hazabaza1 said:
And then there is the whole internet thing, the world still isnt ready for that.
One day when things change (I dunno, consoles become closer to PC's in that you can upgrade them) and the world is a lot more connected then they can try something like that.
No. Steam is pretty much the shiniest turd. If you have to use a DRM platform, it's the least offensive. But it's not fantastic.HydroFire said:
Just for the record, you can already do that with digital titles. If you want that option, buy digital. And if you didn't buy the digital copy, you can...You know, take the game over.
Zachary Amaranth, solving the world's problems in style.
It wasn't just "no sharing games," for the record.
lolwot. I don't even know how to address this. hourly checkins, which is what you'll get on your friend's system, are a great thing?
"I don't use something, so you shouldn't care about it."
A better question would be "who buys used games?" I think if you can answer that, you might be on to something.
And if you buy games ONLINE, then your game is tied to your account, and you can download it to another console. If that's your issue, then you don't need this new Xbone DRM for it.
To recap: I need extra DRM in place to do something I can already do on an Xbox 360 because the less restrictive Steam service is awesome.
Are you serious?
End of thread. Obviously the majority didn't agree with you. And since that's something entirerly subjective we're not getting anywhere in this discussion.HydroFire said:
The time of the year when the great internet family reunites, and we have to hang out with the slightly daft, but violent cousin.mad825 said:
Quick, everyone put on fedoras and start smoking pipes! That way they'll think we're actually elitist snobs.
I'd love to see what kind of tricks Microsoft and Sony will have to pull to get people away from PC and interested in the next (next) generation again.Talvrae said:
You aren't going to get anyone to see that, especially not here. People are too narrow-minded and fearful to give any new ideas a chance. You look at people's opinions on Kinect and Microsoft's initial Xbox One distribution model, and all you see are knee-jerk reactions based on wild speculation and misinformation. Some of that was Microsoft's fault, but most of it was a result of the narrow-minded and frankly stupid reasoning of the average internet commenter. As exemplified by many of the posts in this very thread.HydroFire said:
It's maddening to see. But such is life.
MOST PEOPLE??!?!?!?!?! OH RLY?!??!!? I don't even know why I have to explain this to you if you actually frequent this website and actually pay attention to even a third of the content it puts out.HydroFire said:
If MOST PEOPLE bought games online, would GameStop or the UK equivalent GAME even still exist? Would companies even put out hard copies of their products, let alone the collectors editions? Most PC gamers buy games online, though I don't even have any metrics to back that up, so it may not even be right, but consoles are made for disks now and will be for the xbone and PS4 because the way the console market has handled downloadable games has only pandered to those with a great deal of money to waste on hard drives and the games themselves. Also, are you seriously telling me that downloading a file anywhere from 5gb to 15gb over the internet is going to be easier than buying a hard copy and putting it into your machine to play straight away?
I realise my post on this thread is opinionated, but the whole thread seems to just be a debate over opinion rahter than actual fact. Truth is, you can have your opinion on DRM and how it was going to be 'oh such a good thing' because you can 'play a game around your friends house by just signing in,' an oxymoron in itself because if we're switching to online preferences, why would you be going around a friends house to play games? Just stay in and play it online, especially if the games are going to be cheaper because they don't have to release hard copies. HA!
Switching to an online store where each console has only one option will only inflate prices of games because they just feel they can charge what they want. I've just let lose a barrage of arguments as I've thought of them, but really, if you want something comprehensive, go and watch Jimquisition before running your mouth on something you clearly don't have the capacity to present an informed opinion of.
*phew*
Apparently, people where I live. The Blockbuster here (yes, we do have one) has almost their entire video game inventory rented out right now, and Gamefly doesn't advertise the ability to rent for no reason (and it services a much larger area).HydroFire said:
Besides, even the few features that sounded good about the Xbox One eventually turned out to be utter crap. I remember being disappointed that they got rid of their shared games model, as it sounded genuinely good. Then, shortly after dropping it, one of their employees tried defending it but ultimately revealed it was itself a horrible system.
Sure, it isn't like I'm completely sold on the Xbox One right now that they've dropped most (not all) of the stuff I had issues with. But at least now I just have simple apathy, not downright hatred to the point where I actively discourage people from getting it.
Even if the DRM was exactly like Steams in every way there's still the issue of the fact that consoles are design to die at some point and likely loose support if not directly generating profit. Steam is and it's PC counterparts are all but immortal as long as they manage X amount of sells and advertising to stay funded while Xbox one would have taken it's Digital Library with it eventually but even worse considering the current standard is a physical copy usually lets you use it in some aspect on it's own but the way it was talked about implied you couldn't even do that without first checking in at least 24 hours prior.
Hourly for a secondary console, which includes the "friend's house" argument.IceForce said:
That...That IS the DRM. Wait, if you're against the DRM, why are you saying it's a good thing?HydroFire said:
Isn't that like being a vegetarian, but being against not eating meat?
"I'm Amish. You should be, too."
"I'm sorry, but I like computers."
"When did I say anything about not using computers?"
And that's the rub.mad825 said:
Of course, consoles already have DRM. The closed system IS DRM. However, you can already download games to multiple PS3s without being always online. It used to be 5. Microsoft could have done that, too. There's absolutely no need to add restrictions that shut down almost all of the functions of your gaming console because it missed a check-in.
Thanks. Calling me a whiny ass hole is really clever.HydroFire said:
If you could have used your brain for 5 seconds and did your research you would have understood the problems with it. The problem was that the Xbox One took away many of the advantages of a console while not offering any of the advantages of a PC. So basically, it was slated to be a machine with the worst of both worlds and the best of neither. But like I said, it would require you to think.
Also, I am quite impressed that your opinion speaks for everyone else. Congratulations on that.
Was somewhat coherent, had some form of point. 3/10, wouldn't read again.
One feature (which I've heard extremely mixed messages on) does not account for the other BS I'm expected to put up with. I'm not going to repeat it, you know exactly what it is, as much as you would like for me to ignore it. More than enough people have complained about the other stuff.
And yes, Xbox fixed most of it, but why does that mean I should flock to them now? I'll stick with PC, thanks.
One feature (which I've heard extremely mixed messages on) does not account for the other BS I'm expected to put up with. I'm not going to repeat it, you know exactly what it is, as much as you would like for me to ignore it. More than enough people have complained about the other stuff.
And yes, Xbox fixed most of it, but why does that mean I should flock to them now? I'll stick with PC, thanks.
It wasn't the ideas they didn't want to give a chance. It was the strings attached.UnnDunn said:
Ah, I didn't realize it was hourly in that situation.Zachary Amaranth said:
That gets me wondering, how much does Microsoft pay its shills to join forums like this and spread good PR?Zeh Don said:
I reckon I could do a better job than the shills I've seen around here.
And the stain will never come off. Uncleeeeeeean!fish iron4 said:
I like the fact that of the four votes, one was a mistake. XD