I don't know where people came up with this "PC games have never been tradable" bullshit. PC games 100% used to be able to be reslold and traded. Hell Gamestop and what came before it like EB used to have a sad small rack dedicated to used PC games. It is only after all these online checks and activations that it became next to impossible to trade in or sell a PC game.
Poll: XBOX ONE DRM BACK!
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It's a method of "inflammatory argumentation" I call "Find Und Forget".IceForce said:
Where the OP dumps their innate nonsense and once the topic starts rolling, they just leave to let it keep going, satisfied that they succeeded in whatever nonsense they aimed for.
Why do people point to Steams DRM and say "see! Other stuff can have DRM!" like this suddenly validates everything? Steam may have DRM, but I'm pretty damn sure that that's looked down upon as a slightly negative feature of Steam, only bettered by the fact that Steam has an offline mode so doesn't get in the way of anything. The reason Steam gets away with it is it's sales, in other words it's good benefits outweighed it's DRM (and what other issues there are). People looked at Microsofts form of DRM, saw it was worse/needless in it's context, felt there weren't enough benefits (or adequately explained benefits depending on your view), and decided that the Xbone was shit.
Steam doesn't prove that DRM is good or beneficial, it merely proves that people are willing to put up with DRM as long as it's not intrusive/obstructive and there are plenty of other benefits to using the system.
Steam doesn't prove that DRM is good or beneficial, it merely proves that people are willing to put up with DRM as long as it's not intrusive/obstructive and there are plenty of other benefits to using the system.
Funny, I was just thinking about how a bunch of whiny @zz holes can't get it through their thick skulls that not everybody likes Steam, and that being able to play my games when my internet is down is a lot more valuable to me than some unlikely scenario where I'm on the other side of the world without my Xbox and suddenly want to play my games.HydroFire said:
Good riddance to the DRM, and good riddance to all of the insufferable, immature, obnoxious turds who post threads like this because they lack the capacity to understand the concept of other people having opinions that aren't directly in service to them.
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I know you should never say "am I the only one", because it's the internet and you're never the only one. But I figured it's an interesting enough question.
There's nothing I want to say since others have more eloquantly made the arguments than I can.
[QUOTE=HydroFire]D: thanks for being so welcoming...[/QUOTE]
All I will say is that the OP shouldn't complain about a bad welcome, when he called everyone who railed against the original iteration of the XB1 a "whiny asshole" (btw, it wasn't a bunch, it was a vast amount of people, hence why MS backed down). The Escapist was one of the centers of the backlash in regards to internet presence and discussion, so you're essentially calling a significant portion of the forum userbase, from whom you want a nice welcome, whiny assholes.
I'm not going to tell you leave the forum, it's not my right. But I will ask you if the Escapist is a place you want to be with that opinion, and your lack of tact in discussing it. Aren't you best off in a forum with people more conducive to your line of thinking? Or, at the very least, just maybe toning down the insults a little?
I know you should never say "am I the only one", because it's the internet and you're never the only one. But I figured it's an interesting enough question.
There's nothing I want to say since others have more eloquantly made the arguments than I can.
[QUOTE=HydroFire]D: thanks for being so welcoming...[/QUOTE]
All I will say is that the OP shouldn't complain about a bad welcome, when he called everyone who railed against the original iteration of the XB1 a "whiny asshole" (btw, it wasn't a bunch, it was a vast amount of people, hence why MS backed down). The Escapist was one of the centers of the backlash in regards to internet presence and discussion, so you're essentially calling a significant portion of the forum userbase, from whom you want a nice welcome, whiny assholes.
I'm not going to tell you leave the forum, it's not my right. But I will ask you if the Escapist is a place you want to be with that opinion, and your lack of tact in discussing it. Aren't you best off in a forum with people more conducive to your line of thinking? Or, at the very least, just maybe toning down the insults a little?
No matter what, you can never justify the kind of stuff Microsoft was trying to do
It became clear that it wouldn't make sense financially to use that kind of DRM. The people wouldn't buy it, so Microsoft had to change their product.
That's kind of how capitalism works. There wasn't demand for a console with bullshit DRM, so Microsoft didn't supply one.
I mean, if you don't understand why Microsoft started changing their tune
LOOK AT YOUR OWN POLL.
It became clear that it wouldn't make sense financially to use that kind of DRM. The people wouldn't buy it, so Microsoft had to change their product.
That's kind of how capitalism works. There wasn't demand for a console with bullshit DRM, so Microsoft didn't supply one.
I mean, if you don't understand why Microsoft started changing their tune
LOOK AT YOUR OWN POLL.
Actually, yes they have. Gabe Newell himself has stated on several occasions that, if Steam were to be discontinued or Valve were to go under, updates would be released and a contingency plan would be put into place so that everyone would still be able to access their games on Steam or at least download everything with the requirement for Steam removed.UnnDunn said:
So yeah, Valve has a backup plan. Whereas Microsoft haven't stated if they do or not, and considering their track record and extreme reliance on a "The cloud is the future and if you don't believe so, you're backwards and should just stick with your outdated crap!" train of thought, it's safe to assume they don't.
No matter how you slice it drm is a bad thing. It might have its bonuses but all of those are things that could be implemented without some corporation having total control over how, when and where you play the things you paid cash money for. Microsoft did not have to get rid of game sharing. They just took their ball and went home because they did not get their way. I dont care what positives microsoft claims the drm had. At the end of the day all they want it is to completely control the way you play and buy your games. If they can make a platform that gives you no reason to buy a physical game they can start to really profit from the digital market.
Unlike pc however the only digital market you can get your games from is microsofts on xbox. You find games on xbox live still going for full price that came out years ago. Granted their have been some decent sales as of late but it really just seems like a desperate attempt to keep up with ps plus. Ok im getting off topic. Basically yes there were some good policies that the xbox was going to have all of which would have worked just fine without drm. Also microsoft did not change those policies because people complained. They changed the policies because microsoft was getting slaughtered in pre-order sales. So blame microsoft for acting like a child and taking its shiniest toys home, not consumers for having legitimate complaints and voting with their wallets.
Unlike pc however the only digital market you can get your games from is microsofts on xbox. You find games on xbox live still going for full price that came out years ago. Granted their have been some decent sales as of late but it really just seems like a desperate attempt to keep up with ps plus. Ok im getting off topic. Basically yes there were some good policies that the xbox was going to have all of which would have worked just fine without drm. Also microsoft did not change those policies because people complained. They changed the policies because microsoft was getting slaughtered in pre-order sales. So blame microsoft for acting like a child and taking its shiniest toys home, not consumers for having legitimate complaints and voting with their wallets.
Steam has competition on PC games, they are not the only digital distributor for that platform and anyone can start a similar service. On the Xbone it's just Microsoft, which means no competition on Xbone game prices. Steam is so popular due to being cheap, not just comfortable to use.
The controversy over the two NEW systems made me finally decide to pick up a PS3.
Love it.
Never going back to Microsoft, don't like how they treat publishers, don't like how much they charge publishers to provide customers with updates (like $40,000 to release a single patch- Source: Torchlight devs).
Even with the loss of free online with PS4, I think overall the PS3 feels like a much more refined machine for GAMING. And that sits well with me.
Love it.
Never going back to Microsoft, don't like how they treat publishers, don't like how much they charge publishers to provide customers with updates (like $40,000 to release a single patch- Source: Torchlight devs).
Even with the loss of free online with PS4, I think overall the PS3 feels like a much more refined machine for GAMING. And that sits well with me.
Can you refer me to the article or video where Gabe promises that? It doesn't make sense to me that Valve would promise something like seeing as the way things work now, if you get blocked from Steam, you pretty much lose all your games.SilkySkyKitten said:
As to the promise to path their SAAS not to need connectively should their servers go down, I'm pretty sure Microsoft have made similar promises.
I have heard the same thing many times but attempts to find a quote or even mention of him saying it have failed. In all honesty though i trust valve to an extent (at least more than most corporation) so it seems like they would at least try to do something like this.TomWiley said:
PC gamers have given up their rights and freedoms, so you should, too!TehCookie said:
The only plus side to Steam is that, at a couple bucks each on sale, I can live with the concept of a rented game.Souplex said:
Why, though? It takes a massive shitstorm to get them to refund purchases of a broken, unplayable game. For a while they had an F rating with multiple branches of the BBB. It may even still be true. Why would a company like that be proactive enough when they're sinking if they can't be bothered to provide simpler service solutions when they're smaller scale and Valve is in the position to do so?Robert Marrs said:
Because you like them? Because they offer sales? Because ponies?
I only said 'their games', meaning Valve's own property. I made no statements regarding games published by others. Will I miss FTL on Steam if the service dies? Yes, but I have alternatives.UnnDunn said:
And from what I can tell, their own site staff have made us aware of a contingency patch in the event of the death of Valve. The details of the patch have not been divined so far, and I stand corrected on the explicitness on the matter.
Still, it's more than Microsoft has offered to answer the question of "What then?"